The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[BobbieL]

Funny that. I might just add quietly, that no matter who is the next coach, if we dont trade the bad apples (KD and Book) noone will listen to him. So whats the point? I could be the coach or the genetically modified lovechild of Auerbach/Jackson/Popovich/Kerr could be the coach, it wouldnt matter.

calling Booker a bad apple is so **** lame man. A few people on this board really need to stop straw maning book. It’s fine if you’re upset that we won’t trade him but to call him a bad player, empty stats, or attack his character is imaginary low hanging fruit.

I just think that KD's character has done too much damage to him as well. We are on the 3rd coach in so many years, and these 2 don't seem to do / execute whatever the championship-pedigree head coach has figured out. Yet the coaches get fired (in KDs case he even had Atkinson fired from BKN - he is doing just fine in Cleveland), and these 2 remain unbothered shooting middys. Boring, frustrating, ineffecitve, and quite frankly just shameful.
I never rooted for KD (especially after he went to GSW), and by now I find it really hard to root for Book (once my favourite), as he just became the carbon copy of that attitude. He is not a bad player or even empty stats - I never said that.

I think you nailed a lot of it. Booker is a different player, it looks, attitude wise. He seems very comfortable losing - comments after games are basically the same. Monotone voice, no emotion "we just have to play better." And Booker and Durant are not complementary players - like you said. Just shooting middies and being good with that.

I think Booker without Durant will be a positive though the record may not show it. Personally, still shipping both off but maybe just moving on from Durant and Beal will get Booker back to where he was before. Granted, if he truly signs that 149/2 extension, he could possibly care even less about winning and just being happy scoring 27ppg and making the ASG.

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[Rebound Mound]

Why do you keep referencing 30-35 mill for a buy out? You either buy him out or you dont. You have no Fn idea of what that will be. And It doesn’t matter unless you stretch him. If Phnx wants to stretch him it’s less than 20 mill to work number wise. And did yall forget about his NTC?

I guess If you say it enough it becomes fact tho eh?

With Beal, You either keep him or buy him out and/or stretch him. That’s it. You aren’t trading this dude without burying yourselves deeper.

This off season can’t end soon enough. I’ve never seen such a collection wild and unrealistic trades/ideas. Both thought up here and reposted from clickbait desperados. It’s fn infectious. This site could be renamed UnrealGM.

Not your GMjunkieAzz faults tho, and I know I am hollering at clouds….because some of you HAVE to post….

But There just are not many options available.

This is the Rock hard place painted into the corner scenario we feared once the ALL IN road was taken.

I’d advise adopting a second team to get through the next few yrs.

1. According to some, Beal cannot be stretched because Suns already used that provision on someone.

2. Agree with adopting a second team, Suns are a mess and life is too short to wait for them to be worth stressing out for. Knicks are likeable with Bridges and Brunson as an example. As long as Lakers don't win a ring in the next decade, that would good enough for now.

. To add to this the league is fake anyways. We’ve caught the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the NBA scandals. I’m sure it’s much worse beneath the sheets. For example the Amare suspension never sat right with me. Now that we’ve learned that the spurs are the NBA’s international darling for whatever reason it all kinda makes sense. The problem is, now that the integrity is gone I have no faith that previous hiccups were just “oopies”. The stern envelope etc I will always look at any suspicious move past and present with distrust. It’s like PC gaming now, so many cheaters I just assume everyone’s cheating and I no longer care about playing games which isn’t such a bad thing lol

Just think of the guy's origins and you already have an answer. It has to be darker than dark.
Or, in the end, he could be just blaming franchises that tank and giving prizes to franchises that compete no matter what.
SAS has been a franchise that always competed.
In a short time the Heat has to be awarded another prize. Hey, it's been a long time since the three amigos time...

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[Rebound Mound]

calling Booker a bad apple is so **** lame man. A few people on this board really need to stop straw maning book. It’s fine if you’re upset that we won’t trade him but to call him a bad player, empty stats, or attack his character is imaginary low hanging fruit.

I just think that KD's character has done too much damage to him as well. We are on the 3rd coach in so many years, and these 2 don't seem to do / execute whatever the championship-pedigree head coach has figured out. Yet the coaches get fired (in KDs case he even had Atkinson fired from BKN - he is doing just fine in Cleveland), and these 2 remain unbothered shooting middys. Boring, frustrating, ineffecitve, and quite frankly just shameful.
I never rooted for KD (especially after he went to GSW), and by now I find it really hard to root for Book (once my favourite), as he just became the carbon copy of that attitude. He is not a bad player or even empty stats - I never said that.

I think you nailed a lot of it. Booker is a different player, it looks, attitude wise. He seems very comfortable losing - comments after games are basically the same. Monotone voice, no emotion "we just have to play better." And Booker and Durant are not complementary players - like you said. Just shooting middies and being good with that.

I think Booker without Durant will be a positive though the record may not show it. Personally, still shipping both off but maybe just moving on from Durant and Beal will get Booker back to where he was before. Granted, if he truly signs that 149/2 extension, he could possibly care even less about winning and just being happy scoring 27ppg and making the ASG.

An owner and a GM has to know and see this. You need to see this, you need to talk to a person in the eye and get to know his attitude and see whether that is as you say. Obviously you get used to losing. Once we lost those Finals and the roster was dismantled, Booker probably saw as the direction of the franchise is not trusting him. They do not trust you as a leader and do not trust the roster to the point of adding a few pieces and try to go for the big prize again. He has been desauthorized by the direction and probably that makes you grow as an apathetic person. I could understand that.
Booker is no MJ, Kobe or Mitchell, to a lesser degree.

[Rebound Mound]

Ish has been in the big seat long enough for them to have full control and take full responsibility for these mishaps. It's one thing to have one disgruntled ex-employee, it's another to have multiple over a relatively short period of time.

Seeing this from outside the US, I have this idea that it is like very common to sue someone overthere, particularly when talking about organizations which should show an image of complete control and everything organized.
Could it be the overreaction of lawyers pushing their clients to sue because of this?
I mean, here in Europa, people do not sue nobody for medical reasons, or over car accidents, injuries, etc., unless the actions are completely clear...

[Slim Charless]

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Dinosaurs make sense as I think Giannis stayed with Masai when he 1st came to this country before he was even drafted. He knows that family very well. It'd also be smart for Giannis to stay in the east as that's gonna be easy next year.

Scottie
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Bunch more picks
Make them take Kuzma

Is not a bad haul for the Bucks.


This is still great for us as it makes Houston, SAS and maybe then OKC all vying for Durant a thing....

[BobbieL]

I just think that KD's character has done too much damage to him as well. We are on the 3rd coach in so many years, and these 2 don't seem to do / execute whatever the championship-pedigree head coach has figured out. Yet the coaches get fired (in KDs case he even had Atkinson fired from BKN - he is doing just fine in Cleveland), and these 2 remain unbothered shooting middys. Boring, frustrating, ineffecitve, and quite frankly just shameful.
I never rooted for KD (especially after he went to GSW), and by now I find it really hard to root for Book (once my favourite), as he just became the carbon copy of that attitude. He is not a bad player or even empty stats - I never said that.

I think you nailed a lot of it. Booker is a different player, it looks, attitude wise. He seems very comfortable losing - comments after games are basically the same. Monotone voice, no emotion "we just have to play better." And Booker and Durant are not complementary players - like you said. Just shooting middies and being good with that.

I think Booker without Durant will be a positive though the record may not show it. Personally, still shipping both off but maybe just moving on from Durant and Beal will get Booker back to where he was before. Granted, if he truly signs that 149/2 extension, he could possibly care even less about winning and just being happy scoring 27ppg and making the ASG.

An owner and a GM has to know and see this. You need to see this, you need to talk to a person in the eye and get to know his attitude and see whether that is as you say. Obviously you get used to losing. Once we lost those Finals and the roster was dismantled, Booker probably saw as the direction of the franchise is not trusting him. They do not trust you as a leader and do not trust the roster to the point of adding a few pieces and try to go for the big prize again. He has been desauthorized by the direction and probably that makes you grow as an apathetic person. I could understand that.
Booker is no MJ, Kobe or Mitchell, to a lesser degree.

My rorschacht test for Booker is pull the extension from him -- go up to him and say "we are going to see about the team does, how you do as a leader, how we can build around you - before we add two more years to his existing three years"

My guess, he might demand a trade

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While I wouldn't really want George in a trade on our team myself, due to his contract, etc. IF the 3rd pick was in fact on the table in a Philly trade taking him back, I'd consider it really hard because I'd trade to get that pick, and then flip George elsewhere anyways.

Most likely to another team that either struggles to get a big name, or to a team that can't really land a star player in free agency or trade. Or even to teams that are desperate to add another big name to convince their stars to not leave in 27' free agency or sooner??

A few teams that come to mind that I'd look to flip him to might be:

1- Charlotte.
The Hornets just can't land a big name and haven't made the playoffs in years. They're probably going to lose Bridges soon too. They're primed for a George trade to convince Ball to not ask out, but also so George could mentor B Miller and Salagne too?
Ball/ Draft/ B Miller/ George/ Nurkic or Williams?

2- Atlanta.
The Hawks have been fairly desperate to add another big name to try and convince Young to stay and not ask out. Also other teams hold their picks too. They need another big name to keep Young there and be more competitive.
Young/ FA/ Daniels/ George/ FA? ( give up Mann and Okongwu? Maybe we'd send them Richards in the deal?

3- Sacramento.
Sacramento is a hot mess and with their front office being a disaster and Divac coming back as GM, anything is possible. A trio of Lavine, George, and Sabonis could be more dynamic than what they currently have. And at least make them a playoff team with somewhat higher upside.
FA/ Lavine/ Murray/ George/ Sabonis??

4- Washington.
Washington has much of it's young core in place. But they're desperate to turn the corner and make the playoffs asap! But they currently have no big names really. George could offer that dynamic for them to try and possibly sneak into a wide open Eastern conference seeding.
Poole/ Coulibaly/ Middleton/ George/ Sarr?

5- New Orleans.
Could New Orleans look at trying something different to get out from under Zion and Murray's money? And because BOTH are always injured and New Orleans isn't really trying to compete as aggressively now, could they look at that potential swap if not giving up any assets in the deal?
McCollum/ Hawkins/ Murphy/ George/ Olynyk/ Missi?

** Memphis?
The Grizzlies looked at trying to add Butler around the deadline, and also had interest in KD. Jackson Jr is an elite defender at the 4, Bane is very solid at the two and Morant at the one. If they wouldn't have to give up any picks in the trade only salary, could they possibly entertain this with a new coach, new philosophy and direction?
Morant/ Bane/ George/ Jackson Jr/ Edey is a pretty solid starting lineup.

** Would Milwaukee swap out Lillard for George?? Just to try and convince Giannis to stay a bit longer? IF Lillard is obviously going to miss the entire season anyways, and Giannis would likely ask out as a result, maybe they just figure why not at least try something crazy before losing Giannis anyways and having to rebuild without owning their picks??

A last ditch attempt to be competitive?? And at least George could play next season. We could include Richards in the trade to give them a functional center.

** Would Chicago consider this a George for Collins/ P Williams/ Huerter swap?
Giddey/ White/ George/ FA / Vucevic??

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Dinosaurs make sense as I think Giannis stayed with Masai when he 1st came to this country before he was even drafted. He knows that family very well. It'd also be smart for Giannis to stay in the east as that's gonna be easy next year.

Scottie
Immanuel Quickly
Gradey Dick
JaKobe Walter
#9
Bunch more picks
Make them take Kuzma

Is not a bad haul for the Bucks.


This is still great for us as it makes Houston, SAS and maybe then OKC all vying for Durant a thing....

For sure! Plus, The Raptors could add a FA PG And then have a lineup of:

FA / Quickly/ Barnes/ Giannis/ Poetl.
Of course sending the Bucks Ingram and Barrett, 9th and other picks, etc. It'd be great for BOTH Giannis and us if he chose to stay in the East! But would Milwaukee be willing to trade him to an Eastern team though??

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Dinosaurs make sense as I think Giannis stayed with Masai when he 1st came to this country before he was even drafted. He knows that family very well. It'd also be smart for Giannis to stay in the east as that's gonna be easy next year.

Scottie
Immanuel Quickly
Gradey Dick
JaKobe Walter
#9
Bunch more picks
Make them take Kuzma

Is not a bad haul for the Bucks.


This is still great for us as it makes Houston, SAS and maybe then OKC all vying for Durant a thing....

For sure! Plus, The Raptors could add a FA PG And then have a lineup of:

FA / Quickly/ Barnes/ Giannis/ Poetl.
Of course sending the Bucks Ingram and Barrett, 9th and other picks, etc. It'd be great for BOTH Giannis and us if he chose to stay in the East! But would Milwaukee be willing to trade him to an Eastern team though??

Oh. I think any deal has to start with Barnes. If I'm MIL then its a kill point for me. That trade I posted is what TOR is giving up for him:

Scottie
Immanuel Quickly
Gradey Dick
JaKobe Walter
#9
Bunch more picks
Make them take Kuzma


Is what MIL is getting. If thats the case, I think they say yes.

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Fine.........Fine!!!! They're obviously playing hardball. So I guess they can have Richards for Reeves! .....lol.

[bwgood77]

I assume the thunder would not make a move like getting a really old player unless they didn't have to give up too much. Caruso (31) is the oldest guy in their rotation so probably that is the max age, or maybe 32 is the max age they'd go for (again unless they can get a no-brainer).

It's going to be really really hard to upgrade that starting unit unless they're getting a guy to replace Lu Dort. Or for example if they got Porzingis if Boston wants off him, they can demote hartenstein to the bench.

Starting KD is obviously better than Lu Dort. But they might also think they need to keep getting bigger players. Jaylen Williams (the bigger Jay) is small at C at 6'9". Shai, Jdub, Dort, Caruso, Cason are their guards/wing rotation and all are 6'5". They play an amazing swarming quick defense that was incredible but if we're just looking at an obvious place to upgrade it would be just getting a bigger wing or two and they have the assets to do that and that doesn't necessarily require KD.

They have a lot of solid but not great tradables. I'd want Cason and Aaron Wiggins, and then one of Ajay Mitchell or Topic. Of course whatever picks are reasonable. That's two of their nonstarting rotation players and one of their raw prospects. The other prospect we don't acquire can try to move into that backup G spot vacated by the departing Cason, and KD demotes Lu Dort to Aaron Wiggins spot.

An awful package to be sure for us but KD is 37 and I just can't see OKC breaking bank for a guy that age. Although I think I like Cason much more than Jalen Green as an NBA player even if Cason doesn't have the theoretical ceiling of Green.

That being said I doubt KD has interest and I don't think OKC does. Just send him Phoenix for however many possible of our picks back.

I don't think if they lose they are going to panic. Presti doesn't panic. He's not Ishbia. They are still the youngest team in the league with an average age of 24.1. Presti builds for the long haul. They have great chemistry. They will have lost in 7 to a championship team with a 3 time MVP.

It would only be their 2nd year even making the playoffs with this crew. Most teams don't panic if they don't win it all in their 2nd year, especially if they got better the 2nd year, and being the youngest team in the NBA helps. Now if they were an older team and had some assets I could see it maybe.

I think it would be more likely they could look at making smaller moves, but they love playing together and have great chemistry.

Yeah, I think the main thing they may add is a little more size so they would have an easier time dealing with bigger teams (like the Mavs next season who will have a frontcourt of AD, Lively, Gafford, Flagg) and a little more muscle for guys like Jokic. Getting something similar to a Steven Adams type back for certain teams might be worthwhile.

Jokic is just crazy good. There's nothing really wrong with this team. They are just facing a championship team with one of the best players ever in his absolute prime. Not easy to beat. Not someone they "DEFINITELY should" like many probably assume. They had a better record but this team has a ton of exxperience. They made the WCF back in the bubble...came back from 3-1 against Utah and then the Clips team.

[sunsbum]

1. According to some, Beal cannot be stretched because Suns already used that provision on someone.

2. Agree with adopting a second team, Suns are a mess and life is too short to wait for them to be worth stressing out for. Knicks are likeable with Bridges and Brunson as an example. As long as Lakers don't win a ring in the next decade, that would good enough for now.

. To add to this the league is fake anyways. We’ve caught the tip of the iceberg when it comes to some of the NBA scandals. I’m sure it’s much worse beneath the sheets. For example the Amare suspension never sat right with me. Now that we’ve learned that the spurs are the NBA’s international darling for whatever reason it all kinda makes sense. The problem is, now that the integrity is gone I have no faith that previous hiccups were just “oopies”. The stern envelope etc I will always look at any suspicious move past and present with distrust. It’s like PC gaming now, so many cheaters I just assume everyone’s cheating and I no longer care about playing games which isn’t such a bad thing lol

Just think of the guy's origins and you already have an answer. It has to be darker than dark.
Or, in the end, he could be just blaming franchises that tank and giving prizes to franchises that compete no matter what.
SAS has been a franchise that always competed.
In a short time the Heat has to be awarded another prize. Hey, it's been a long time since the three amigos time...

I’m fairly sure the spurs tanked for Duncan. I think it was something like the held David Robinson out longer than needed.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I’m fairly sure the spurs tanked for Duncan. I think it was something like the[y] held David Robinson out longer than needed.

Indeed they did. Dominique Wilkins(!) was the leading scorer for the Spurs that season. It was wild.

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Fine.........Fine!!!! They're obviously playing hardball. So I guess they can have Richards for Reeves! .....lol.

Luka-Ayton combo incoming

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