The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Fo-Real]

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I thought because of the second apron or the first (WHATEVER), that we aren't eligible to receive signed and traded players?

[NapoleonII]

Kuminga would be interesting here. I could see it really working, or really not working.

Lots of potential and nice size. Coaching would probably make the most difference.

What would a sign and trade even look like?

Durant for Green/Buddy sign and trade Kuminga?

[Djedefre]

Kuminga is trash

[Saberestar]

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I thought because of the second apron or the first (WHATEVER), that we aren't eligible to receive signed and traded players?

First apron teams can receive sign&traded players but they need to match salaries.

I really like Kuminga. That’s the type of player with high upside that we can get without losing too many assets.

[Saberestar]

Kuminga would be interesting here. I could see it really working, or really not working.

Lots of potential and nice size. Coaching would probably make the most difference.

What would a sign and trade even look like?

Durant for Green/Buddy sign and trade Kuminga?

I suggested on the trade board Kuminga for Grayson Allen and our 2029 low FRP.

Some people said that our pick wasn't even needed because Allen for Kuminga can be enough for the GSW...but I doubt it.

Kuminga getting $74M/4 years. $18.5M per year.

[Fo-Real]

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I thought because of the second apron or the first (WHATEVER), that we aren't eligible to receive signed and traded players?

First apron teams can receive sign&traded players but they need to match salaries.

I really like Kuminga. That’s the type of player with high upside that we can get without losing too many assets.

Can we send multiple players to them in the sign and trade? Or do we think he is only gonna get 15 is mil per year like Grayson?

[sunskerr]

I assume the thunder would not make a move like getting a really old player unless they didn't have to give up too much. Caruso (31) is the oldest guy in their rotation so probably that is the max age, or maybe 32 is the max age they'd go for (again unless they can get a no-brainer).

It's going to be really really hard to upgrade that starting unit unless they're getting a guy to replace Lu Dort. Or for example if they got Porzingis if Boston wants off him, they can demote hartenstein to the bench.

Starting KD is obviously better than Lu Dort. But they might also think they need to keep getting bigger players. Jaylen Williams (the bigger Jay) is small at C at 6'9". Shai, Jdub, Dort, Caruso, Cason are their guards/wing rotation and all are 6'5". They play an amazing swarming quick defense that was incredible but if we're just looking at an obvious place to upgrade it would be just getting a bigger wing or two and they have the assets to do that and that doesn't necessarily require KD.

They have a lot of solid but not great tradables. I'd want Cason and Aaron Wiggins, and then one of Ajay Mitchell or Topic. Of course whatever picks are reasonable. That's two of their nonstarting rotation players and one of their raw prospects. The other prospect we don't acquire can try to move into that backup G spot vacated by the departing Cason, and KD demotes Lu Dort to Aaron Wiggins spot.

An awful package to be sure for us but KD is 37 and I just can't see OKC breaking bank for a guy that age. Although I think I like Cason much more than Jalen Green as an NBA player even if Cason doesn't have the theoretical ceiling of Green.

That being said I doubt KD has interest and I don't think OKC does. Just send him Phoenix for however many possible of our picks back.

I don't think if they lose they are going to panic. Presti doesn't panic. He's not Ishbia. They are still the youngest team in the league with an average age of 24.1. Presti builds for the long haul. They have great chemistry. They will have lost in 7 to a championship team with a 3 time MVP.

It would only be their 2nd year even making the playoffs with this crew. Most teams don't panic if they don't win it all in their 2nd year, especially if they got better the 2nd year, and being the youngest team in the NBA helps. Now if they were an older team and had some assets I could see it maybe.

I think it would be more likely they could look at making smaller moves, but they love playing together and have great chemistry.

Yeah, I think the main thing they may add is a little more size so they would have an easier time dealing with bigger teams (like the Mavs next season who will have a frontcourt of AD, Lively, Gafford, Flagg) and a little more muscle for guys like Jokic. Getting something similar to a Steven Adams type back for certain teams might be worthwhile.

Jokic is just crazy good. There's nothing really wrong with this team. They are just facing a championship team with one of the best players ever in his absolute prime. Not easy to beat. Not someone they "DEFINITELY should" like many probably assume. They had a better record but this team has a ton of exxperience. They made the WCF back in the bubble...came back from 3-1 against Utah and then the Clips team.

Yeah Jokic is ridiculous. Like him getting 40+ minutes a game in the playoffs compared to him getting 36 or whatever in the regular season. That's 4 more minutes minimum that Joker plays, and 4 less that a worse player on that team plays... That's a big difference. And of course the Nuggets are a team with big guys vs OKC smaller guys. Mix that in with how the reffing gets more physical in the playoffs you have a recipe for a "better" team of 68 wins struggling against a 50 win team.

Not complaining about the change from the regular season reffing since the playoffs are always physical. Outside of hartenstein and Chet OKC is a tiny team...if they have a guy like Steven Adams like you mentioned and they might win this in 5. They are a great team but they are small (and young).

Then there is the issue of production outside of Shai. The defense the Nuggets have played has been great but OKC needs Jalen Williams, another young guy to step up to open things up more for Shai by giving the Denver defense something to think about. He hasn't had a great series and their second best player has been Caruso or Chet (it's probably Caruso).

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Absolutely! He could help Booker get his head straightened out! And also works towards a position on the coaching staff too.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Sorry.......Not sorry for Riley not getting Giannis!

[SunsRback4Good]

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Sorry.......Not sorry for Riley not getting Giannis!

How much better would Rockets be by trading Sengun & Green for Giannis?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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For anyone that was pining for us to trade for Butler at the deadline.

[thamadkant]

Giannis will nominate Knicks as his preferred destination whether Knicks win the championship or get eliminated by Celtics. The moment the Knicks finish their season, Giannis will nominate them.

Knicks can offer OG Anunoby and Towns for Giannis and Bucks will accept that as the Bucks can't get out of Lillard contract and will try to compete even after Giannis leaves.

Knicks will do it for sure if they lose to Celtics or the Finals... and they would still do it if they win the championship.

Giannos, Brunson, Hart, Robinson and Bridges is a top tier starting 5 out in the East, especially with Tatum out.

Raptors only asset is Scottie and they ain't trading him for Giannis. Nets have no players to offer Bucks.

[thamadkant]

Giannis mentioning Toronto and Nets is a massive hint he wants to move his family to New York as he has ventures there.... knicks has the assets to trade for him and still remain elite after the trade.

[MrMiyagi]

Kuminga would be interesting here. I could see it really working, or really not working.

Lots of potential and nice size. Coaching would probably make the most difference.

What would a sign and trade even look like?

Durant for Green/Buddy sign and trade Kuminga?

Kill me

[thamadkant]

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For anyone that was pining for us to trade for Butler at the deadline.

Jimmy is not a myth... warriors entire system needs Curry.... they don't have 3pt shooting without Curry and the entire system collapses.

[thamadkant]

Kendrick Perkins must have sacrificed a lot of living things to get his position as a commentator.

Literally you can find a million people off the streets who would add more insight and speak better on TV than Perkins... the entire media conglomerate and NBA is rigged with nepotism and big club people.

[Slim Charless]

Giannis mentioning Toronto and Nets is a massive hint he wants to move his family to New York as he has ventures there.... knicks has the assets to trade for him and still remain elite after the trade.

If he's serious about going to Canada, the Dinos can offer a good deal IMO.

Scottie Barnes and the #9 pick for starters then go from there. I honestly don't think the Spurs can top that unless they give up both Castle and the #2. As for the Rockets, they'll need to go with Sengun and our picks along with probably Tari Eason and Reed.

What is interesting is if Giannis is smart, he'll see that staying in the east is the easy path to the Finals next year. Masai has known Giannis since he was a child I guess. I read on the Raptors forum that it was Masai that originally helped Giannis get his freaking Greek citizenship way back when. That kind of stuff is massive and cannot be brushed off.

[thamadkant]

Giannis mentioning Toronto and Nets is a massive hint he wants to move his family to New York as he has ventures there.... knicks has the assets to trade for him and still remain elite after the trade.

If he's serious about going to Canada, the Dinos can offer a good deal IMO.

Scottie Barnes and the #9 pick for starters then go from there. I honestly don't think the Spurs can top that unless they give up both Castle and the #2. As for the Rockets, they'll need to go with Sengun and our picks along with probably Tari Eason and Reed.

What is interesting is if Giannis is smart, he'll see that staying in the east is the easy path to the Finals next year. Masai has known Giannis since he was a child I guess. I read on the Raptors forum that it was Masai that originally helped Giannis get his freaking Greek citizenship way back when. That kind of stuff is massive and cannot be brushed off.

Why would Raptors trade Scottie? He's still young and an all rounder already.
And why would Giannis go to a team without Scottie or another star player?

Knicks is his target. If knicks win the championship Giannis will wait until trade deadline and so would Knicks FO, this way the fan backlash is mitigated and allows the players and fans to celebrate for a few months. It's very obvious what Giannis wants, he gets to play with Brunson and still have good teams mates in Mikal and Hart.

[thamadkant]

If Thunder gets eliminated I would offer KD for Jaylen Williams and call it a day. Maybe offer a future protected first.

Thunder has enough SG talent to lose Williams. What they need is a sure fire 30ppg scorer and closer like KD.

Big IF, and KD probably hoping Thunder agrees also.