Blazers/Kings

[longfellow44]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

Sabonis doesn't win games... Sacramento has been trying to build around him and look where they are now

They have not been building around Sabonis. I completely disagree with that. The kings were building around Fox who was supposed to be our best player. The guys that we added weren't picked to maximize Sabonis they were picked to help Fox. Monk was added because he was a good fit with Fox, Keegan was picked as a defender/shooter to help spread the floor for Fox. We added Derozan to give the kings an Iso player to take some pressure off of Fox.

The trade deadline and this summer are the first set of moves the kings will be making to try to build around Sabonis. Up to this point we haven't really been adding the types of players we need to maximize his capabilities.

The kings need long athletic defenders that can shoot, the kings have 2 of those in total on the roster (Murray, Ellis) if the kings do build around Sabonis and get the players we need around him we will be a much better team, but up to this point we were building around Fox.

[tester551]

I think there's something here
Get Chi involved maybe

Sac sends Sabonis to Port
Sac gets #11, #12, Ayton, 2027 unprotected Port pick and maybe the Boston 2028 pick

Chi sends #12 to Sac and Port pick back to them (so they can trade a future pick)
Chi gets Clingan

Port sends Ayton to Sac along with the #11 and a 2027 unprotected pick
Port gets Sabonis and their owed 1st back from Bulls (so they can trade their own 1st)

Bulls deal Vuc somewhere and get a very solid young center, with 3 cheap years left

Sac gets a filler center for a year in Ayton, and 4 picks

Port gets a stud and goes "all in" with
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons/Thybulle
Deni/Grant/Thybulle
Camara/Grant/Murray
Sabonis/RWill/Reath

IMO, this is worse than the OP. Don't like it at all.

[SNPA]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

POR is not looking to become the next iteration of the SAC Kings.

Sabonis didn’t work even with Myles Turner next to him.

He is paid like a first option when he is really a second option behind a terrific first option.

Hard no on Sabonis unless he is being routed elsewhere for what POR needs.

And 2 no to a lotto pick/Sharpe or Clingan lol.

The package I laid out won’t get a better player. If the Blazers are searching for that championship first option guy the cost would be significantly more.

[JRoy]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

POR is not looking to become the next iteration of the SAC Kings.

Sabonis didn’t work even with Myles Turner next to him.

He is paid like a first option when he is really a second option behind a terrific first option.

Hard no on Sabonis unless he is being routed elsewhere for what POR needs.

And 2 no to a lotto pick/Sharpe or Clingan lol.

The package I laid out won’t get a better player. If the Blazers are searching for that championship first option guy the cost would be significantly more.

I don’t disagree.

I would try to move up to #2 and grab Harper, who might be that guy. When that fails (and it probably will) maybe look to set up for a big move next draft.

[DiegoChara]

I think there's something here
Get Chi involved maybe

Sac sends Sabonis to Port
Sac gets #11, #12, Ayton, 2027 unprotected Port pick and maybe the Boston 2028 pick

Chi sends #12 to Sac and Port pick back to them (so they can trade a future pick)
Chi gets Clingan

Port sends Ayton to Sac along with the #11 and a 2027 unprotected pick
Port gets Sabonis and their owed 1st back from Bulls (so they can trade their own 1st)

Bulls deal Vuc somewhere and get a very solid young center, with 3 cheap years left

Sac gets a filler center for a year in Ayton, and 4 picks

Port gets a stud and goes "all in" with
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons/Thybulle
Deni/Grant/Thybulle
Camara/Grant/Murray
Sabonis/RWill/Reath

Generally speaking I’m not a big proponent of targeting Sabonis for Portland.

This one I would at least consider, but there’s no way I’m making any first rounders unprotected. With the lottery odds flattened it’s borderline malpractice to send out unprotected firsts when you aren’t sure (or as sure as is practically possible) that you’re a legit playoff team.

Oops, I didn’t see Clingan in the Portland outgoing. That would shift the value to a no for me.

[Case2012]

How does Sabonis have this kind of value? He's never won anything, he puts up numbers but they don't contribute to his teams ever making it out of the first round. I like his game, but he's being valued like prime Giannis. I would much rather continue to build through the draft.

[Pattycakes]

I’ll go #11, Ayton and a future 1st/MIL swap. Works better for both teams (Sacramento needs to full reset their disaster), and Portland can continue focusing on competing without depleting themselves of their young core.

Scoot/Shaedon aren’t untouchable per se, but Portland values them much higher for the future than anyone else will. We have a chest of picks, take from those

[JasonStern]

I love the idea of trading for Sabonis - presuming the price is right. Sabonis worth 4 picks/prospects is unrealistically steep, at least for Portland where they are during this rebuild.
Biggest drawback is keeps this flawed two timeline roster on two timelines.
Blazers would be foolish to include Deni/Sharpe/Scoot/Camara.
Ayton and Simons are nice salary filler expiring contracts, but probably don't add value.
Grant, especially for Sacramento, is negative value.
I'd go #11 (lottery pick) + Ayton (expiring salary filler, potential flip piece) + Murray (low ceiling prospect) + 2026 2nd.
Probably a low offer, but rushing a rebuild rarely works out. And the Blazers aren't a Baby Sabas away from contending.
But additional draft capital or a player like Clingan would require the Blazers to move Grant as the salary filler. It's a lot easier to take on a $40M contract knowing that Ayton and Simons are expiring and you aren't on the hook for Grant through the 27/28 season.
Really only makes sense for Sacramento if they covet someone at #11. And #11 isn't as great of a pick as RealGM makes it out to be.
With the team for sale, I expect the Blazers to just coast. Pick someone at #11, trade Thybulle or Timelord for scraps to reduce salary, sign a veteran minimum player, then coast through another losing season while management collects paychecks.

[Pattycakes]

I love the idea of trading for Sabonis - presuming the price is right. Sabonis worth 4 picks/prospects is unrealistically steep, at least for Portland where they are during this rebuild.
Biggest drawback is keeps this flawed two timeline roster on two timelines.
Blazers would be foolish to include Deni/Sharpe/Scoot/Camara.
Ayton and Simons are nice salary filler expiring contracts, but probably don't add value.
Grant, especially for Sacramento, is negative value.
I'd go #11 (lottery pick) + Ayton (expiring salary filler, potential flip piece) + Murray (low ceiling prospect) + 2026 2nd.
Probably a low offer, but rushing a rebuild rarely works out. And the Blazers aren't a Baby Sabas away from contending.
But additional draft capital or a player like Clingan would require the Blazers to move Grant as the salary filler. It's a lot easier to take on a $40M contract knowing that Ayton and Simons are expiring and you aren't on the hook for Grant through the 27/28 season.
Really only makes sense for Sacramento if they covet someone at #11. And #11 isn't as great of a pick as RealGM makes it out to be.
With the team for sale, I expect the Blazers to just coast. Pick someone at #11, trade Thybulle or Timelord for scraps to reduce salary, sign a veteran minimum player, then coast through another losing season while management collects paychecks.

“Coasting through” a losing season? That didn’t even happen this year dawg lol. Poor take

[DiegoChara]

I love the idea of trading for Sabonis - presuming the price is right. Sabonis worth 4 picks/prospects is unrealistically steep, at least for Portland where they are during this rebuild.
Biggest drawback is keeps this flawed two timeline roster on two timelines.
Blazers would be foolish to include Deni/Sharpe/Scoot/Camara.
Ayton and Simons are nice salary filler expiring contracts, but probably don't add value.
Grant, especially for Sacramento, is negative value.
I'd go #11 (lottery pick) + Ayton (expiring salary filler, potential flip piece) + Murray (low ceiling prospect) + 2026 2nd.
Probably a low offer, but rushing a rebuild rarely works out. And the Blazers aren't a Baby Sabas away from contending.
But additional draft capital or a player like Clingan would require the Blazers to move Grant as the salary filler. It's a lot easier to take on a $40M contract knowing that Ayton and Simons are expiring and you aren't on the hook for Grant through the 27/28 season.
Really only makes sense for Sacramento if they covet someone at #11. And #11 isn't as great of a pick as RealGM makes it out to be.
With the team for sale, I expect the Blazers to just coast. Pick someone at #11, trade Thybulle or Timelord for scraps to reduce salary, sign a veteran minimum player, then coast through another losing season while management collects paychecks.

“Coasting through” a losing season? That didn’t even happen this year dawg lol. Poor take

It did as far as roster movement. Granted that we never know what negotiations were had, or what deals may have been on the table (if any), but just holding onto Ayton, RWill, Grant, and especially Simons rather than moving any of them, is how I interpret “coasting” from the management side of things.

[Texas Chuck]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

I know my memory isn’t what it used to be, but I could swear Ayton started for a finals team.

Cute.

But back to discussion and not playing gotcha.....do you think this version of Ayton is a starter on a Finals team? That isn't so loaded as for it to not matter? Because I don't. That was a totally different player.

[DiegoChara]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

I know my memory isn’t what it used to be, but I could swear Ayton started for a finals team.

Cute.

But back to discussion and not playing gotcha.....do you think this version of Ayton is a starter on a Finals team? That isn't so loaded as for it to not matter? Because I don't. That was a totally different player.

Thanks, but I’m already married.

I mean, don’t make inaccurate statements if you don’t want them pointed out I guess? Ayton is the same player now as he was then.

I don’t think he’s great and he’s obviously substantially overpaid, but yeah, it’s obviously silly hyperbole to say he can’t be a rotation player on a team that will amount to anything when he already was, and is still in his physical prime.

Was it an unnecessary “gotcha”? Maybe. But the shots at Scoot and Ayton were also sort of cheap ones too.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean he is not the same player. And I didn't start the shots, did I? But fair enough. I see neither guy as a guy contenders would identify as a target to play a key role today. Feel free to feel differently.

[BoogieTime]

Again, the kings are competing

[Tim Lehrbach]

I have no unreasonable attachment to the pieces outgoing in the OP, and I even like Sabonis, but the Blazers can't afford to go in this direction (so Cronin probably will). As JRoy alluded, a franchise this devoid of elite talent needs to take big swings, even at a much greater costs. Or, if you have to settle, you don't pay up for a guy who displaces or at least does not complement your best young prospect (Clingan).

It's just the wrong direction for Portland (so again, it'll probably happen, right after Simons is resigned for $35 million/year...).