Sixers 2024-25 Season Thread Part 1

[M2J]

When Joel only plays 20 games again, and they go 38-44 and lose in the play-in… I mean, again you can’t play two styles at once. Nurse has been underwhelming but this is the part where the franchise player is ending. It’s an awkward transition phase.

Doc did.

But he just needs to let the youth play faster without Joel... He doesn't and it's a problem

I didn't really think all bench lineups count as a different style of play?

They definitely need to play with more pace. If George and Embiid can't keep up, sayonara.

No... Doc played fast when featuring Maxey or most times the team was heavily injured like the Shake run or the run he had with Ben without Joel his first season. Could play Harden Ball when it was time to go to Harden bench and no Joel... And featured the hell out of Joel as a screener or mid post iso guy when Joel plays.

Nurse literally plays the same style no matter what. If all the bigs are out, he puts Kyle Lowry in the Joel position... Team loses

[76ciology]

Honestly, Doc Rivers was the best coach for Embiid. He ran a simplified, slow-paced offense that suited Embiid’s strengths. Embiid isn’t built for an uptempo, read and react system.

On the other hand, Nick Nurse’s system is designed more for wings, it emphasizes movement and weave actions that create space for players like Siakam (or even Oubre), by gravitating their defender towards the side of the hand off allowing them to attack the other side, who don’t have elite shot creation skills, to get quality looks near the rim.

That said, having Nurse is still a positive. He brings an added dimension. The Sixers can lean into his system when Embiid is off the floor, then simplify things when Embiid is back on, creating layers to our game.

[76ciology]

Grimes is a restricted free agent and Philadelphia can exceed the cap to re-sign him. However, if the 76ers use more than $5.6 million of the non-tax mid-level exception to sign Yabusele, the first apron gets triggered, preventing them from signing Grimes unless there is a trade to clear out salary.

[Iscull]

Love to see this - Edwards already looks in better shape than going into his rookie season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a breakout year.

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/sixers/2025/05/15/sixers-tyrese-maxey-justin-edwards-back-in-the-gym-working-out/83644699007/

[youngcrev]

Honestly, Doc Rivers was the best coach for Embiid. He ran a simplified, slow-paced offense that suited Embiid’s strengths. Embiid isn’t built for an uptempo, read and react system.

On the other hand, Nick Nurse’s system is designed more for wings, it emphasizes movement and weave actions that create space for players like Siakam (or even Oubre), by gravitating their defender towards the side of the hand off allowing them to attack the other side, who don’t have elite shot creation skills, to get quality looks near the rim.

That said, having Nurse is still a positive. He brings an added dimension. The Sixers can lean into his system when Embiid is off the floor, then simplify things when Embiid is back on, creating layers to our game.

Nah

Embiid was in the middle of the best season of his career before getting hurt with Nick Nurse.

He also had his best playoff numbers in spite of being hobbled.

Maybe Embiid's presence stifled some of the creativity we were expecting from Nurse, but the team has been among the worst in the league when Embiid hasn't played, so in court performance would point to them being good for one another.

[youngcrev]

A lot of people hating on PG over the podcast, but it was really just a psyop by Daryl to get him to hype up the value of the pick/Ace

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Which lineup is better?

Maxey | Grimes | Oubre (Edwards?) | Giannis | Embiid
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McCain | Grimes | George | Giannis | Embiid

[mjkvol]

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No way in hell I would ever do that. The only way I would even think about a Giannis deal is if it was for George, which obviously won't happen. But giving up Maxey, a top 3 pick, and our most prized future asset to watch Giannis, George, and Embiid wash out in the 2nd (or 1st) round? No. Thank. You.

[ProcessDoctor]

Most I'd give for Giannis, especially with Joel being such a question mark, is George/#3/2028 LAC 1st/2029 Phi 1st (w/ LAC swap).

If Milwaukee finds a better offer, then so be it. We were in asset hell not too long ago, and I have no interest in going back to that, and lacking depth AGAIN to boot.

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Gross. Giannis as an Embiid replacement? Sure. Anything else other than that? No thank you.

It's insane that people over there still think Joel is going to show up when it counts.

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Gross. Giannis as an Embiid replacement? Sure. Anything else other than that? No thank you.

It's insane that people over there still think Joel is going to show up when it counts.

Morey continuously points to Kawhi in regards to Embiid's health.

In that sense, it's somewhat interesting. Giannis is a legit carry your team to ~50 wins kind of superstar, so you could have Embiid popping in and out for long periods of time and be ok with an eye towards the playoffs. I think that's what they were aiming at to a lesser extent this past season.

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Gross. Giannis as an Embiid replacement? Sure. Anything else other than that? No thank you.

It's insane that people over there still think Joel is going to show up when it counts.

Morey continuously points to Kawhi in regards to Embiid's health.

In that sense, it's somewhat interesting. Giannis is a legit carry your team to ~50 wins kind of superstar, so you could have Embiid popping in and out for long periods of time and be ok with an eye towards the playoffs. I think that's what they were aiming at to a lesser extent this past season.

Morey is conveniently overlooking the fact Joel has never been healthy through a playoff run. Even before this last injury.

And is Giannis going to carry Embiid to a 2nd round playoff victory? Recent history suggests not.

And he will have to, because whether he's on the floor or not, Jo won't show up. And Morey even said it himself, Joel won't accept a lesser role.

[youngcrev]

Gross. Giannis as an Embiid replacement? Sure. Anything else other than that? No thank you.

It's insane that people over there still think Joel is going to show up when it counts.

Morey continuously points to Kawhi in regards to Embiid's health.

In that sense, it's somewhat interesting. Giannis is a legit carry your team to ~50 wins kind of superstar, so you could have Embiid popping in and out for long periods of time and be ok with an eye towards the playoffs. I think that's what they were aiming at to a lesser extent this past season.

Morey is conveniently overlooking the fact Joel has never been healthy through a playoff run. Even before this last injury.

And is Giannis going to carry Embiid to a 2nd round playoff victory? Recent history suggests not.

And he will have to, because whether he's on the floor or not, Jo won't show up. And Morey even said it himself, Joel won't accept a lesser role.

I haven't soured on Embiid nearly as much as you have in terms of his actual ability when healthy.

Regardless, more just pointing to a thought process rather than saying it's what I'd do. Although if Giannis is on the table we'd be stupid not to listen, regardless of the players being discussed.

[the_process]

We've seen enough to know that after the 1st round of the playoffs, Joel will be hurt and will choke when it matters even if he's playing.

We should all know this, but many for other reasons choose to turn a blind eye to it.

As a thought process, you would be looking at Maxey, Drummond, Gordon, Oubre, 3, 28 LAC 1st, 30 PHI 1st, and 32 PHI 1st. I don't even think that's enough, but let's say Giannis asks to come here.

It would leave the Sixers with three 30+ guys, McCain, Edwards, Council, Bona, Butler, Walker. Hopefully Yabu takes the TMLE. Then you gotta pay Grines, can't risk letting him walk in this scenario.

You would have 27, 29 with LAC swap, and 31 1sts left, none of which that would be tradable.

[mjkvol]

Most I'd give for Giannis, especially with Joel being such a question mark, is George/#3/2028 LAC 1st/2029 Phi 1st (w/ LAC swap).

If Milwaukee finds a better offer, then so be it. We were in asset hell not too long ago, and I have no interest in going back to that, and lacking depth AGAIN to boot.

I might give up George and #3, but I'd rather give up McCain and those other two 1st's and keep #3.

That's a long way of saying let's just forget the win-now (and be 2nd round fodder yet again) trading for a "star" garbage and build this thing the right way for once.

[youngcrev]

We've seen enough to know that after the 1st round of the playoffs, Joel will be hurt and will choke when it matters even if he's playing.

We should all know this, but many for other reasons choose to turn a blind eye to it.

Certainly feels that way.

Like even if you get him magically healthy, there will be some Final Destination type freak accident that takes him out.

Not sure I agree on the choking part. Like, he's not "him" or whatever. Way too turnover prone in those big moments to be a guy you just throw the ball to and try to isolate.

And while the offense typically has taken a step back in general, his defense elevates quite a bit.

I get that Knicks series wasn't in the 2nd round, but he was pretty great in spite of playing through injury.

[Mik317]

Embiid being unreliable is the exact reason you don't trade for Giannis lol.

The whole point of that trade is to create a super version of the Ben/Biid pairing.

[Zumramania]

At this point it is not even certain Embiid will ever return to the court. Although it would be interesting with Giannis, since Giannis is a surefire alpha, Embiid would have to take a backseat there. But I'm not sure what I would give up for Giannis. Giannis + three bombers like Maxey, McCain and Grimes is great, you don't really need PG there, he'd be more of a nuisance in my opinion. But I'm not sure that the Bucks would take PG + picks.