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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:If you’re trading Herro for the 3rd pick are you doing a full tear down and sending Bam out as well or is it for a quick retool? If it’s a teardown at that point you shouldn’t care to eat PGs contract, let him rot until his contract expires as the young guys grow and develop
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Cmon guys there is no way in Hell the 76ers trade for Herro and give us that 3rd pick. What are we even doing here with that pipe dream discussion. Of course that only makes sense in a Heat world were everyone can say oh yeah that's a great idea. Run that by the Philly forum and see how it's met. There's guards with major upside making a fraction of what Herro is making in VJ and Johnson that teams would most likely rather have. Let alone they already have their backcourt of the future with McCain and Maxey locked up. Please let's make things at least make sense for both sides
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Heat need star power scoring coming from the SF spot and a PG who can distribute at a high rate, play some defense, and hit an open 3 at a high clip. We get that around Ware, Bam, and Herro and things can change rather quickly. Enough with this tear down talk. Riley already said he wasn't stepping down so why even discuss something that doesn't even remotely have a chance at happening? Riley wants to win in these final few years he has with Bam and Herro.
DayofMourning wrote:Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?
oreon wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Heat need star power scoring coming from the SF spot and a PG who can distribute at a high rate, play some defense, and hit an open 3 at a high clip. We get that around Ware, Bam, and Herro and things can change rather quickly. Enough with this tear down talk. Riley already said he wasn't stepping down so why even discuss something that doesn't even remotely have a chance at happening? Riley wants to win in these final few years he has with Bam and Herro.
Win what ? A 1st round series. Even guys who are pro KD don't believe he can lead this team to a finals. That's why fans are discussing other options. Besides what we are gonna talk about for the next month or so till the offseason begins. How excited we are to get KD so Pacers and knock us out in 2nd round. Or keep on going back on forth the pros and cons of the KD deal. We need other stuff to talk about, even though they might be implausible
MettaWorldPanda wrote:oreon wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Heat need star power scoring coming from the SF spot and a PG who can distribute at a high rate, play some defense, and hit an open 3 at a high clip. We get that around Ware, Bam, and Herro and things can change rather quickly. Enough with this tear down talk. Riley already said he wasn't stepping down so why even discuss something that doesn't even remotely have a chance at happening? Riley wants to win in these final few years he has with Bam and Herro.
Win what ? A 1st round series. Even guys who are pro KD don't believe he can lead this team to a finals. That's why fans are discussing other options. Besides what we are gonna talk about for the next month or so till the offseason begins. How excited we are to get KD so Pacers and knock us out in 2nd round. Or keep on going back on forth the pros and cons of the KD deal. We need other stuff to talk about, even though they might be implausible
This front office is more then satisfied in providing playoff basketball.
oreon wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:oreon wrote:
Win what ? A 1st round series. Even guys who are pro KD don't believe he can lead this team to a finals. That's why fans are discussing other options. Besides what we are gonna talk about for the next month or so till the offseason begins. How excited we are to get KD so Pacers and knock us out in 2nd round. Or keep on going back on forth the pros and cons of the KD deal. We need other stuff to talk about, even though they might be implausible
This front office is more then satisfied in providing playoff basketball.
That would be depressing. How did we go from the chip or bust mentality of big 3 era to now we just want that playoff revenue. That's a small market mentality. I know Miami technically not a big market but I thought we were pushing to be one of the premier franchises in NBA history. I'd rather they be deluded that they think KD can win them a championship rather than settling for playoffs. Thats what the Sacramento kings do, I don't want to be like them
Vertical Limit wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?
Theyll have to get a third team involved because they dont have enough contracts to match Herro without us taking back a bad contract (maxey, pg)
oreon wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:oreon wrote:
Win what ? A 1st round series. Even guys who are pro KD don't believe he can lead this team to a finals. That's why fans are discussing other options. Besides what we are gonna talk about for the next month or so till the offseason begins. How excited we are to get KD so Pacers and knock us out in 2nd round. Or keep on going back on forth the pros and cons of the KD deal. We need other stuff to talk about, even though they might be implausible
This front office is more then satisfied in providing playoff basketball.
That would be depressing. How did we go from the chip or bust mentality of big 3 era to now we just want that playoff revenue. That's a small market mentality. I know Miami technically not a big market but I thought we were pushing to be one of the premier franchises in NBA history. I'd rather they be deluded that they think KD can win them a championship rather than settling for playoffs. Thats what the Sacramento kings do, I don't want to be like them
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Vertical Limit wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?
Theyll have to get a third team involved because they dont have enough contracts to match Herro without us taking back a bad contract (maxey, pg)
Maxeys a bad contract?
MettaWorldPanda wrote:oreon wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:This front office is more then satisfied in providing playoff basketball.
That would be depressing. How did we go from the chip or bust mentality of big 3 era to now we just want that playoff revenue. That's a small market mentality. I know Miami technically not a big market but I thought we were pushing to be one of the premier franchises in NBA history. I'd rather they be deluded that they think KD can win them a championship rather than settling for playoffs. Thats what the Sacramento kings do, I don't want to be like them
Bam and Herro look like fixtures here for the foreseeable future and you toss in a developing Ware and how do we go about improving that core. Based off that I said earlier we need star power scoring coming from the SF spot that's not going to strip us of that core. Durant makes sense in the short term cause that's what's going to be the available upgrade over Wiggins. The next step is getting a PG who can do two way work and hit 3's while getting the bigs and scorers the ball in good spots. Holliday would be ideal but not sure how they make that work unless we have no plans to resign Mitchell. I know Boston would be salivating at the thought of getting Duncan's relief contract.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Too much doom and gloom for this core. Still remember when we added at 37 year old washed up Tucker and 35 year old Lowry to Butler, Herro, and Bam core. Top seed in the east and finals appearance. Now we have a potential unicorn in Ware with a more experienced Bam and Herro. Yes i believe a 37 year old Durant and a heady vet PG could do wonders.
VaDe255 wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:oreon wrote:
That would be depressing. How did we go from the chip or bust mentality of big 3 era to now we just want that playoff revenue. That's a small market mentality. I know Miami technically not a big market but I thought we were pushing to be one of the premier franchises in NBA history. I'd rather they be deluded that they think KD can win them a championship rather than settling for playoffs. Thats what the Sacramento kings do, I don't want to be like them
Bam and Herro look like fixtures here for the foreseeable future and you toss in a developing Ware and how do we go about improving that core. Based off that I said earlier we need star power scoring coming from the SF spot that's not going to strip us of that core. Durant makes sense in the short term cause that's what's going to be the available upgrade over Wiggins. The next step is getting a PG who can do two way work and hit 3's while getting the bigs and scorers the ball in good spots. Holliday would be ideal but not sure how they make that work unless we have no plans to resign Mitchell. I know Boston would be salivating at the thought of getting Duncan's relief contract.
The Heat can make almost any deal work, they have the expirings of Terry, Kyle, plus Duncan also.
For example in this case they can waive Duncan, then trade Terry <-> Jrue straight up and just absorb that contract, still have enough space under the tax to resign Davion.
Or this deal turns into a 3 team trade, where you also send Terry/Kyle to a 3rd team and Boston maybe gets some player in return for Terry + draft capital.
The question here would be, do they really want to take on that Jrue contract?
Ware, Bam, Wiggins, Jrue, Herro and Davion, Highsmith, Jovic, Larsson, Jaquez as their bench.
They'd need some leaps from Ware/Herro/Jovic to get me excited about this team, but who knows the East is gonna be weak next year.
DayofMourning wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Too much doom and gloom for this core. Still remember when we added at 37 year old washed up Tucker and 35 year old Lowry to Butler, Herro, and Bam core. Top seed in the east and finals appearance. Now we have a potential unicorn in Ware with a more experienced Bam and Herro. Yes i believe a 37 year old Durant and a heady vet PG could do wonders.
What about a heady WCJ