Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porzingis. Who's gone?

[Backcountry]

What about Orlando for Jrue? They are a team on the rise but need someone to raise their bar a bit. I'm not sure how it fits, but maybe you can get back Moe Wagner in return as a decent centre option for next season assuming KP is gone and Al possibly retires. They have other young guys that they could throw in (or maybe try to pawn off KCP on you...)

Nah. No way. Assuming he comes back healthy, they just resigned this generation’s Jrue, but on a longer term, declining contract.

Suggs? Yeah, to quote PatBev, he's got that dog in him. Hope he comes back healthy. I always wanted Toronto to find a way to get him a couple of years ago before he hit his stride, because he and Scottie were apparently good buds and I think Suggs would light a fire under Scottie (who still seems up and down, offensively, at least.)

But I still think Jrue would be a good fit. He's got the championship pedigree that would help the young Magic. Don't know how it works payroll-wise, though.

[Alatan]

Home team fans delusional as always about the wirth of their players.

I liked Jrue but that was a few seasons ago when he was not 35 and not on a 35 million a year contract. He might be useful only for win now teams and thise will not offer much for him. Probably a bad contract of their own and a low pick or just a shorter bad contract. No young team needs Jrue. No contender can give good players for Jrue and stay contenders. No team wants to enter or stay in the tax for Jrue and no team wants do give valuable assets for a injury prone 35 year old on a big contract. Jrue is the most valuable where he is.
As for Porzingis, people think he has value because he is on a expiring contract. But those only have value if you want to eat a horrible contract and be compensated with draft capital. Witch i doubt the Celtics want to do.
Neither of them has much if any value.

[Mr B]

From who? this is fantasy land. He's on a terrible contract in a very restrictive CBA.

There are a few contenders that would love to have Jrue Holiday. He’s be perfect for the Mavs. He could run the Point while Kyrie is out and due to his size could transition seamlessly to playing next to Kyrie when he returns. The Mavs have several expiring contracts they could send to Boston.

The Mavs have to figure out first how to shed $15M to get below the 1st apron.

I can't see how that's possible. Taking Holliday's would destroy the Mavs for the Next 3 years.

It would require them to dump a lot of their bench which is not ideal. Just saying that Jrue does have value especially to a team like the Mavs.

[Prez]

Jrue would still be a good high end role player for any team but $35 mil/yr for 3 more years after this one is brutal to say the least. No team trying build a winning playoff team should be taking on that contract without getting assets in return imo.

[Synciere]

The problem isn’t just the age or injuries; it’s the fact that only Brooklyn and Detroit have any real cap space to absorb either contract. And they may have other ideas on how to use their cap space. Would you take on three years for big money for Jrue or KP for a middling pick or two, or outright sign a Julius Randle, or Naz Reid, or Myles Turner?

[jpengland]

Yeah that Jrue deal is super expensive for the Celtics to get out of. He’s a decent player but he’s 34, in decline and multiple 35m years is no joke. I mean the player option on the final year? That’s laughable.

KP is an expiring and a good player when on court, he has some minor value.

[The Servant]

Gotta be Zinger with his injury history, right?

[f l u r p]

Neither of them have much value for the obvious reasons of age/health/contract.

The money alone means that Boston would be taking back similar players, which they wouldn’t want.

And, while KP is expiring, his health situation means a team is just trading for his contract and that alone is not enough to bring back anything that is going to help Boston rebuild. Just a little room down on their books.

The idea that KP or Jrue are missing pieces on a championship roster are a serious stretch.

[f l u r p]

Jrue certainly has value. I wouldn’t expect a big haul for him in a trade though. The Celtics NEED to dump salary. They may get a draft pick and a lot of expiring contracts.

From who? this is fantasy land. He's on a terrible contract in a very restrictive CBA.

There are a few contenders that would love to have Jrue Holiday. He’s be perfect for the Mavs. He could run the Point while Kyrie is out and due to his size could transition seamlessly to playing next to Kyrie when he returns. The Mavs have several expiring contracts they could send to Boston.

The Mavs have to figure out first how to shed $15M to get below the 1st apron.

Jrue may not be washed today, but what about in a year?

People thinking the Mavs would pay a hundred million for a guy they could make good use of for half a season is crazy.

He was a good player in his day. His contract makes him damn near a negative as there aren’t really any teams who he would be the final piece in a championship.

Mavs are not going to be a contender in the next 2-3 years. There are Mavs fans who have fooled themselves but those fans who know, they know.

Time to rebuild around Flagg period and anything that doesn’t assist in that goal is a waste of time and money.

[celtxman]

Porzingis should be easy to move as he's an expiring deal. They'll be lucky to get anything of value considering his inability to stay healthy.

He’s not easy to move. Your last statement is a testament to why.

The only reason a team would want to take on his expiring is -

A) To rid themselves of a similar, but longer term contract.
- Saves Boston no money

or

B) If Boston attaches assets
- Maaayyybe? Celtics fans are going to hate new ownership if they’re tossing away picks to save themselves money. That’d be about the worst PR possible to start out their tenure.

As they say in stocks - sell when you feel like buying and buy when you feel like selling. It is impossible for KP's value and perception to be lower than now. Unless they have inside information that this is in his head, or something else that can't be healed in a reasonable time, they shouldn't sell for pennies on the dollar . The only caveat would be if they held on to Holiday instead. They don't need to do both now.

[Cricket23]

"Although Jrue Holiday battled injuries and saw his offensive numbers decline in ’24/25, he’s still expected to draw interest from contending teams if the Celtics make him available on the trade market, league sources tell King. Holiday turns 35 years old next month and is owed $104.4MM through ’27/28, but he’s highly regarded around the league due to his championship pedigree and reputation as a strong defensive player, King writes.

Kristaps Porzingis is another clear trade candidate due to his expiring contract. But don’t expect the Celtics to simply shed his salary in a straightforward salary dump, King adds."

[Nazrmohamed]

The Lakers will only trade Reeves for a C? Maybe that C is KP

[LAvision]

Porzingis should be easy to move as he's an expiring deal. They'll be lucky to get anything of value considering his inability to stay healthy.

He’s not easy to move. Your last statement is a testament to why.

The only reason a team would want to take on his expiring is -

A) To rid themselves of a similar, but longer term contract.
- Saves Boston no money

or

B) If Boston attaches assets
- Maaayyybe? Celtics fans are going to hate new ownership if they’re tossing away picks to save themselves money. That’d be about the worst PR possible to start out their tenure.

Good take, some of these users here still think the league is on the previous cba where big money expirings are easy moves. This notion that teams will be lining up to trade for Porz is delusional.

[Cricket23]

Porzingis should be easy to move as he's an expiring deal. They'll be lucky to get anything of value considering his inability to stay healthy.

He’s not easy to move. Your last statement is a testament to why.

The only reason a team would want to take on his expiring is -

A) To rid themselves of a similar, but longer term contract.
- Saves Boston no money

or

B) If Boston attaches assets
- Maaayyybe? Celtics fans are going to hate new ownership if they’re tossing away picks to save themselves money. That’d be about the worst PR possible to start out their tenure.

Good take, some of these users here still think the league is on the previous cba where big money expirings are easy moves. This notion that teams will be lining up to trade for Porz is delusional.

So then Keith Smith is delusional, and we here are the smart ones.

[Cricket23]

I think trying to assign value to these individual players is an exercise in futility. Boston may trade two players, or they may trade four players. We don't know. Say for example they only trade Jrue; obviously then they would have cap savings at the very top of the wish list, minimizing the return. But what if they have already traded KP and Hauser? What if they already traded KP, Hauser, and Brown or White or even both? There are scenarios in which they have a player left on the market, but they have no more financial concerns. If that's the case, they could turn around and take back more money in a Jrue trade, maximizing their on court return. The value they get back for the players they trade has to be looked at as a collective, but we don't know who they are yet.

[Mr B]

From who? this is fantasy land. He's on a terrible contract in a very restrictive CBA.

There are a few contenders that would love to have Jrue Holiday. He’s be perfect for the Mavs. He could run the Point while Kyrie is out and due to his size could transition seamlessly to playing next to Kyrie when he returns. The Mavs have several expiring contracts they could send to Boston.

The Mavs have to figure out first how to shed $15M to get below the 1st apron.

Jrue may not be washed today, but what about in a year?

People thinking the Mavs would pay a hundred million for a guy they could make good use of for half a season is crazy.

He was a good player in his day. His contract makes him damn near a negative as there aren’t really any teams who he would be the final piece in a championship.

Mavs are not going to be a contender in the next 2-3 years. There are Mavs fans who have fooled themselves but those fans who know, they know.

Time to rebuild around Flagg period and anything that doesn’t assist in that goal is a waste of time and money.

That’s what people who casually watch the Mavs say. Regardless of what should happen (I agree they SHOULD rebuild) what will happen is the Mavs ownership and Nico are going to operate as if they one of the best teams in the NBA (if healthy they will be).

The Mavs are in the process of trying to get a new arena/casino. They are going to trade for a PG that’s good enough to start for them until Kyrie comes back in January. They have the assets to acquire one so it’s just a matter of time before they do. Whoever they get has to have the size to play alongside Kyrie when he returns and also has to be ok with coming off the bench (depending on matchups).

Considering they’re trying to get a new arena the last thing they are going to do is tear the team down and rebuild.

[Mr B]

The Lakers will only trade Reeves for a C? Maybe that C is KP

Lakers defense would be terrible. KP is not very fond of Luka anyways.

[RoyceDa59]

It was a great run and they secured a title!

Now they retool and wait for Tatum to return patiently to form.

It would do the Celtics wonders if they can somehow secure a lotto pick next year, after trading away Jrue, Zingus and any other old spare parts.

I trust Brad as GM - he did a fantastic job surrounding the Jays with a championship level cast, I’d put money on his ability to do it again.

[Michaellam1987]

Porzingis should be easy to move as he's an expiring deal. They'll be lucky to get anything of value considering his inability to stay healthy.

He’s not easy to move. Your last statement is a testament to why.

The only reason a team would want to take on his expiring is -

A) To rid themselves of a similar, but longer term contract.
- Saves Boston no money

or

B) If Boston attaches assets
- Maaayyybe? Celtics fans are going to hate new ownership if they’re tossing away picks to save themselves money. That’d be about the worst PR possible to start out their tenure.

As they say in stocks - sell when you feel like buying and buy when you feel like selling. It is impossible for KP's value and perception to be lower than now. Unless they have inside information that this is in his head, or something else that can't be healed in a reasonable time, they shouldn't sell for pennies on the dollar . The only caveat would be if they held on to Holiday instead. They don't need to do both now.

There are only 2 ways to do it. 1) trade KP to team with cap space like BKN, and attach some minor assets as incentives; 2) split KP's contract into few pieces, and trade to team in need to C, such as LAL for certain combination of Rui/DFS/Gabe/Maxi, so that they can make further trade afterwards to dump salary.

[ItsDanger]

That Holiday contract is **** gross. Almost 35, declining, and still owed $100M.