Fox to Miami

[pipfan]

Who knows if SA will really draft Harper, like has been reported. Assuming that is the plan, I think SA should move on from Fox and build for the future. They could have A LOT of 2026 cap space

Miami rolls the dice and goes for it. The East looks to be weak next year-why not take a shot

Fox for Rozier/JJJ/#20/unprotected 2026 pick swap for SA and a top 4 protected 2030 1st to SA

Miami gets an All Star
Fox/Mitchell
Herro/?
Wiggins/Highsmith
Bam/Anderson/Love
Ware/Jovic

That's a pretty good team-and could win the East

SA goes with a young core of
Harper/Castle/Rozier/Wesley
Vassell/Castle/Branham
Barnes/Johnson/Champagnie
Sochan/#14 Fleming or Newell/JJJ
Wemby/some vet who can play/#20

This young core could be AWESOME in a year or two. They'd go into next summer with
Wemby/Harper/Vassell/Castle/Vassell/JJJ/#14/#20
They could easily move Johnson's last year's salary and would have the best of the SA/Miami/ATL pick, some future picks (only their 2027 1st going out) and over $80 million in cap space

[JJ_PR]

That seems like a very underwhelming offer for Fox, borderline insulting.

[One_and_Done]

Who knows if SA will really draft Harper, like has been reported. Assuming that is the plan, I think SA should move on from Fox and build for the future. They could have A LOT of 2026 cap space

Miami rolls the dice and goes for it. The East looks to be weak next year-why not take a shot

Fox for Rozier/JJJ/#20/unprotected 2026 pick swap for SA and a top 4 protected 2030 1st to SA

Miami gets an All Star
Fox/Mitchell
Herro/?
Wiggins/Highsmith
Bam/Anderson/Love
Ware/Jovic

That's a pretty good team-and could win the East

SA goes with a young core of
Harper/Castle/Rozier/Wesley
Vassell/Castle/Branham
Barnes/Johnson/Champagnie
Sochan/#14 Fleming or Newell/JJJ
Wemby/some vet who can play/#20

This young core could be AWESOME in a year or two. They'd go into next summer with
Wemby/Harper/Vassell/Castle/Vassell/JJJ/#14/#20
They could easily move Johnson's last year's salary and would have the best of the SA/Miami/ATL pick, some future picks (only their 2027 1st going out) and over $80 million in cap space

That's a terrible offer. Spurs are going to keep Fox for now.

[BBallFreak]

This is very low. The Kings got LaVine, three first round picks and three second round picks

[Chinook]

There's no pressure to trade anyone. That's the benefit of having bigger guards. Plus, Harper seems like a guy who could really excel as a sixth man as he learns the game. It gives him plenty of time both off the ball and on it. We don't know yet if Harper is going to be a PG or SG at the NBA level. They should be willing to accommodate both outcomes.

[jbk1234]

There's no pressure to trade anyone. That's the benefit of having bigger guards. Plus, Harper seems like a guy who could really excel as a sixth man as he learns the game. It gives him plenty of time both off the ball and on it. We don't know yet if Harper is going to be a PG or SG at the NBA level. They should be willing to accommodate both outcomes.

Fox is entering the last year of his contract, will be unrestricted in 2026, and is looking for an extension this summer. The Spurs can decline to offer one and see how the season goes, I think that's a good call, but Fox may have feelings about that and decide to play contract ball.

[Skybox]

I Love it for MIA and Riley's balls to the wall - commit and we'll sort it out later vibe. Rings are the thing.
I Get it for SAS...debating elsewhere- I take Harper on a rookie deal (and a ton of financial flexibilty) over Fox about to get extended into Lavine-ville.
I hate it for ORL Once again, sitting on the sideline watching Riley and the big boys play - as usual

[Chinook]

There's no pressure to trade anyone. That's the benefit of having bigger guards. Plus, Harper seems like a guy who could really excel as a sixth man as he learns the game. It gives him plenty of time both off the ball and on it. We don't know yet if Harper is going to be a PG or SG at the NBA level. They should be willing to accommodate both outcomes.

Fox is entering the last year of his contract, will be unrestricted in 2026, and is looking for an extension this summer. The Spurs can decline to offer one and see how the season goes, I think that's a good call, but Fox may have feelings about that and decide to play contract ball.

I'm pretty sure they're going to be giving him an extension. I think they should see if he's willing to give a little on the back end so they can afford a third star contract, but we'll see. Pop's no longer running the show, but he's always wanted to run multiple PGs at the same time. It's been his desire since 2003 when they tried to make a Kidd/Parker back court.

I don't think the Spurs see any conflict over being able to run two-PG lineups for 48 minutes while not having to sacrifice size. Whether Johnson or the players in question agree is a different story.

[pipfan]

Drop the top 4 protection?

I think Fox's value will be lower on his expiring

[wemby]

"and if you buy within the next 10 minutes, we'll throw in Pat Riley's used underwear. Hurry up, it's a limited time offer!!!".

[wemby]

This is very low. The Kings got LaVine, three first round picks and three second round picks

And here comes the Heat fan, of all people, with the sensible post to end the thread.

[longfellow44]

This is very low. The Kings got LaVine, three first round picks and three second round picks

And here comes the Heat fan, of all people, with the sensible post to end the thread.

It is really only 2 1sts that the kings get. The Charlotte first was a fake first that will end up just being a 2nd round pick. So really this package ends up being roughly the same value as what the Spurs paid for fox. Unless you think lavine has a lot of positive value, and judging from the trade board I would say he likely doesn't.

[pipfan]

I agree-I don't think the Fox return for Sac was so great. Let's say Lavine's value was neutral
And his value should be at least a bit lower now

[wemby]

I agree-I don't think the Fox return for Sac was so great. Let's say Lavine's value was neutral
And his value should be at least a bit lower now

Kings wanted Lavine, it took the Spurs a pick (Bulls own returned) to get him for the Kings. So Bulls pick + unprotected TWolves 31 + unprotected Spurs 27 + 4 SRP is what it cost the Spurs to get Fox. It's a way below average price for an all star caliber player in his prime (27). So why should the price tag be lower now? Fox was demanding to be traded from the Kings to the Spurs, hence the discount. Is he demanding to be traded from the Spurs to the Heat? No he's not. Spurs are not in a hurry to move him, so again... why the lower price tag?

[wemby]

This is very low. The Kings got LaVine, three first round picks and three second round picks

And here comes the Heat fan, of all people, with the sensible post to end the thread.

It is really only 2 1sts that the kings get. The Charlotte first was a fake first that will end up just being a 2nd round pick. So really this package ends up being roughly the same value as what the Spurs paid for fox. Unless you think lavine has a lot of positive value, and judging from the trade board I would say he likely doesn't.

No, it's 3 FRP: unprotected TWolves 31 + unprotected Spurs 27 + Bulls 25 protected 10-8-8 (which Spurs had to give the Bulls get Lavine for them, which was their request). I already counted the Hornets pick as 2 SRPs, plus 2 more SRPs Spurs put from their own warchest. So 3 FRP + 4 SRP is the price, for a player demanding a trade. This is not the same value, picks are worse:
2025 12th pick > 2025 20th pick
2027 unprotected Spurs pick > unprotected 2026 swap
unprotected TWolves 31 pick > top 4 protected 2030 Heat pick
Rozier is making 8 million more than Zach Collins was (neither is a contributor)
Spurs don't need or value JJJ, at least no more so than they did Tre Jones

So this is clearly selling at a discount, from an already low price tag. And even then, I don't care what Spurs paid, that is a reflection on the Kings needs and urgencies, which are not those of the Spurs now. So it makes no sense to assume Spurs have to do anything just because Kings did. Those franchises are not one and the same, they have different goals, different priorities, different circumstances, and most of all, DIFFERENT FRONT OFFICES.

[SNPA]

I agree-I don't think the Fox return for Sac was so great. Let's say Lavine's value was neutral
And his value should be at least a bit lower now

Kings wanted Lavine, it took the Spurs a pick (Bulls own returned) to get him for the Kings. So Bulls pick + unprotected TWolves 31 + unprotected Spurs 27 + 4 SRP is what it cost the Spurs to get Fox. It's a way below average price for an all star caliber player in his prime (27). So why should the price tag be lower now? Fox was demanding to be traded from the Kings to the Spurs, hence the discount. Is he demanding to be traded from the Spurs to the Heat? No he's not. Spurs are not in a hurry to move him, so again... why the lower price tag?

Ehh…the discount really comes from Vivek’s long desire to acquire LaVine. Spurs found a sucker and took advantage, good for them.

[Sactowndog]

I agree-I don't think the Fox return for Sac was so great. Let's say Lavine's value was neutral
And his value should be at least a bit lower now

Kings wanted Lavine, it took the Spurs a pick (Bulls own returned) to get him for the Kings. So Bulls pick + unprotected TWolves 31 + unprotected Spurs 27 + 4 SRP is what it cost the Spurs to get Fox. It's a way below average price for an all star caliber player in his prime (27). So why should the price tag be lower now? Fox was demanding to be traded from the Kings to the Spurs, hence the discount. Is he demanding to be traded from the Spurs to the Heat? No he's not. Spurs are not in a hurry to move him, so again... why the lower price tag?

Because he only has a year left on his contract.

[wemby]

I agree-I don't think the Fox return for Sac was so great. Let's say Lavine's value was neutral
And his value should be at least a bit lower now

Kings wanted Lavine, it took the Spurs a pick (Bulls own returned) to get him for the Kings. So Bulls pick + unprotected TWolves 31 + unprotected Spurs 27 + 4 SRP is what it cost the Spurs to get Fox. It's a way below average price for an all star caliber player in his prime (27). So why should the price tag be lower now? Fox was demanding to be traded from the Kings to the Spurs, hence the discount. Is he demanding to be traded from the Spurs to the Heat? No he's not. Spurs are not in a hurry to move him, so again... why the lower price tag?

Because he only has a year left on his contract.

But he's willing to extend rather than demanding to be traded. Big difference.

[Sactowndog]

Kings wanted Lavine, it took the Spurs a pick (Bulls own returned) to get him for the Kings. So Bulls pick + unprotected TWolves 31 + unprotected Spurs 27 + 4 SRP is what it cost the Spurs to get Fox. It's a way below average price for an all star caliber player in his prime (27). So why should the price tag be lower now? Fox was demanding to be traded from the Kings to the Spurs, hence the discount. Is he demanding to be traded from the Spurs to the Heat? No he's not. Spurs are not in a hurry to move him, so again... why the lower price tag?

Because he only has a year left on his contract.

But he's willing to extend rather than demanding to be traded. Big difference.

That may not be true after you draft Harper

[williambh3]

This does seem a bit low and fit not quite right. Remove #20, sub Ware for Jaquez, move swap to 2029 and remove protections on 2030 is more like it IMO