2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[ProcessDoctor]

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VJ 38.5”
Tre 37.5”
Ace 34.5”

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[eyeatoma]

Yes, sometimes you just should pick the prospect with the most potential and hope for the best, instead of trying to be cute and trade down. If he´s not all that we thought he could be, it happens,its part of the draft game. But its better than pass on him and later he becames a star in another team, when we knew he made all the sense to our team.

How can you be so sure he has the most potential?

I’ve never seen a star who entered the league with numbers this bad, limited shot creation ability, bad FT% and such a low basketball IQ.

If anything, I’ll end up regretting not passing on him, especially when all the indicators suggest he’s unlikely to become a star in the league.

If you’re betting purely on upside, then Maluach or Demin are the picks. Both have elite size for their positions and solid foundational skill sets to build on.

You are right, i cant be sure that he has the most potential, but he displayed a lot of elite traits that show he can be a star: defense, athletic abilities, shooting etc. But you got a point, his advanced numbers arent good. Stats are important, but i think, in some cases, you gotta take them with a grain of salt. If not, the analitics guys would already developed models that could predict if a player would be a star, and the draft would be a exact science, but its not. So that why you got scouts, who seek for elite traits, and , in my opinion, Ace has alot of the traits you seek in a Wing.

Like i said above,the thing about stats is that it they may be flawed in a lot of levels, specially in the context we have in the NBA. I like to fancy myself as a stats guy (I got an PHD in economics), and in my thesis i used a lot of econometrics, which is like applied stats in the context of economy( when you have models with a lot of variables). There we have a problem, in a lot of models, thats is called Multicolinearity, that happens when a variable of your model is affected by other variables of the model, which can seriously affect the predictive power of your model. I think we have a similar problem in the nba, since a lot of stats we use depend of other variables. The most common one is that a lot of stats of the players are impacted by the stats of other players they play with. Basically, thats a fancy way to say that if you play with bad teammates, your stats will be bad. Thats, in my opinion, is what happened with Bailey in his season at Rutgers. If he played in a better team, i believe a lot of his advanced stats would be better( because his teammates would be better) and we wouldnt be having this conversation about his inefficiency.

Dont get me wrong, stats are important in the nba, but sometimes you gotta see the context of the player, and thats when the scout team is important. If they think Bailey has the important skills to succeed in the next level, i think we will draft him, even if his advanced stats are bad. I believe we will, since we saw a lot of videos showing that he has a lot of potential as a shot maker and defender, and is already a good CS from 3 and a good blocker.

Yeah I think I'll go with the guy with the economics PHD. I agree lots of noise when you're team sucks and you try to use his stats to compare him to others.

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[Stanford]

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I'm sure these guys are watching a ton of tape.

[ProcessDoctor]

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I wish I trusted the judgement of any of those guys.

[Negrodamus]

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I'd love a compilation of former players talking out of their collective asses.

[Negrodamus]

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I am once again left wondering if I'm taking crazy pills being this high on a prospect. I'll keep referencing Shai: he reacts to what the defense gives him and he's never sped up. Offensively, he's the total package. Finishes with both hands, drives with both hands. Defensively, he produces deflections and is disruptive. When not sucking wind, he has shown the agility and quickness to defend guards. He's so obviously the 3rd best player in the draft to me and we're all talking about a guy who refuses to pass nor get to the rim, but rather take fadeaway mid range shots with 2 guys in his face. It's perplexing to me.

[Stanford]

Queen is definitely the guy I'm most interested in seeing in the NBA. Wish he looked like more of a passer.

[ProcessDoctor]

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I am once again left wondering if I'm taking crazy pills being this high on a prospect. I'll keep referencing Shai: he reacts to what the defense gives him and he's never sped up. Offensively, he's the total package. Finishes with both hands, drives with both hands. Defensively, he produces deflections and is disruptive. When not sucking wind, he has shown the agility and quickness to defend guards. He's so obviously the 3rd best player in the draft to me and we're all talking about a guy who refuses to pass nor get to the rim, but rather take fadeaway mid range shots with 2 guys in his face. It's perplexing to me.

I would take him in a trade down. If Morey is truly taking BPA regardless of fit, then maybe he’ll actually consider him as a target.

I just wanna fast forward to draft night already.

[Black Mage]

He’s not struggling to get to the rim because of poor spacing, it’s because he can only drive strongly to his right and relies on a fadeaway jumper as his main counter.

Nope he drove left enough in the most recent clip shared on here. He drove left plenty. He can work on it, but its not Jalen Brown level, and he's an allstar.

I’m not saying he never drives left but he overwhelmingly favors driving right. His left hand is noticeably weaker, and his only real counter is a turnaround jumper.

I mean, Maxey at the start could only go one direction and he didn't even have the mid-range game to bail himself out. Spacing is a HUGE issue in college; that's just fact. Even for an elite guy like Tre Johnson; spacing was tough. The only teams that don't deal with spacing issues are the Duke's and elite programs.

For those interested, Rutgers was outscored 3 pts with Bailey on the floor; without they were outscored by 23. Keep in mind Bailey played about 34 out of 40 mins a game.

[Black Mage]

Playing devil’s advocate.. what if the sudden shift from “we’re definitely picking our guy” to “we’re open to trading the pick” happened after watching Egor Demin light it up from 3 in his individual workouts?

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He feels like Korkmaz 2.0. He looks great shooting in practice and warmups; then cant hit the broadside of the Atlantic during a game. Hard pass and I was an early Egor fan. He completely underwhelmed at BYU.

[sodmoraes]

I have no doubt Queen will be very good on offense, what i have some doubts with him is on defense. I dont know if he can play center in the nba, and how will be his fit as a PF, since his measurements on the combine were pretty bad. But defintely he is one of the most talented on the draft. I think he wont get past the 7 or 8 pick in the draft.

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I'm sure these guys are watching a ton of tape.

I think they know more about ball than we do, and they have a better eye for talent. I know there's the stereotype that players shouldn't be GMs, but lot of these elite prospects go up against former or current players.

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I am once again left wondering if I'm taking crazy pills being this high on a prospect. I'll keep referencing Shai: he reacts to what the defense gives him and he's never sped up. Offensively, he's the total package. Finishes with both hands, drives with both hands. Defensively, he produces deflections and is disruptive. When not sucking wind, he has shown the agility and quickness to defend guards. He's so obviously the 3rd best player in the draft to me and we're all talking about a guy who refuses to pass nor get to the rim, but rather take fadeaway mid range shots with 2 guys in his face. It's perplexing to me.

no way, i'm not falling for "footwork" prospects, not doing jahlil okafor again

[Black Mage]

Nobody wants to talk about Ace Bailey’s poor basketball IQ here?

Just go to X and use keywords “Ace Bailey IQ”

The game is so cerebral right now and you have to wonder how Bailey can excel in the NBA, specially in the playoff setting

The Rutgers team was shambolically bad. They spent all their NIL money on Harper and Bailey, and the rest of the players were trash. The coaches were also unprepared for two blue chip prospects.

Might I also say the word "Raw" is being used too much around this social media click bait environment.

Ace has a lot of room to grow in terms of his game. His handles are rawish if you're thinking more with of a wing or perimeter creator than front court guy. Defensively he's already impactful, but every rookie has to develop playing NBA type defense. The game is literally different with different rules, never mind the physical and experience they're facing for the first time. Really on both ends.

Physically he needs to develop more... And he physically looks like some of these raw kids. But his game and this kid ain't raw.

Raw is usually referring to a Giannis or Siakam or Jaylen Brown. Guys who can't shoot, can barely put the ball on the floor, Have 0 footwork. Just athletes that can make a B line to the basket like Jaylen in transition or top of the key... Or can catch and finish from a playmaker doing all the work like Bona for dunks.

Ace is actually advanced as an off ball cutter or catching and shooting off ball with a smooth high release on his jumper, in addition to being the best tough shot maker in a good draft... All distinctions I've never heard of for a raw player.

His upside is crazy. For instance, Giannis couldn't do any of this stuff his rookie season. This workout occurred before their freshman season even started in like September or October and he's not raw. I actually believe he was working on a lot of this stuff during the season knowing that they didn't really have a chance with that terrible roster.

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This is exactly why I struggle to write off Ace. He is able to do the "hard" stuff at a high level at age 17 and 18. I think for Ace it all comes down to what kind of intangibles does he have (gym rat, character, morale booster, coachable, etc.).

[Kobblehead]

@Negro

If Queen had Sorber's length, he'd be the pick. That 7 foot wingspan is rough.

BTW, if Sorber falls to 2nd round, we need to trade up. This guy is a legit future starter.

[Negrodamus]

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Queen is the same height and has a higher standing reach (not sure how that works) as Sorber. I don't know how the 7'6 wingspan will provide more on the court than the 9'1 standing reach.

[Kobblehead]

Queen is definitely the guy I'm most interested in seeing in the NBA. Wish he looked like more of a passer.

I think Queen is a good passer.

2.2 assist per 36 is pretty great for a C.

Probably a lot of missed assist converts, too. Queen might be even better playmaker at the NBA level.

[Stanford]

I think they know more about ball than we do, and they have a better eye for talent.

Come on, bro. This isn't about me or you.

What do you think is more likely, that these millionaire podcasters are watching a ton of high school and college tape, or that they're offering a take on a podcast because it's their job to have a take on everything?

[Kobblehead]

Players always respect pure athletes. Question is, is Ace Bailey Cam Newton or is he Anthony Richardson?