2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Black Mage]

I was looking for Tre too; but was bit harder, I did stumble across one where he played against McCain in H.S. Nice to see McCain has played same way from H.S to college to the Sixers. Can't wait to see him back.

43 mins of Tre Johnson looking like SGA 2.0

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Tre Johnson should have been the lead guard at Texas. Had he been given that role, he might’ve been projected as the No. 2 overall pick.

*30min mark, Flagg’s Montverde went up against Tre’s HS team. Flagg defended him entire game and Tre ended up being the top scorer of the game with 25pts on like 10-16 (i’ll check again)

No doubt Tre is a walking bucket. Love everything about his jump shot (don't know why he struggled with the 2 pt shot). But I gotta call it out, Flagg did not guard him the entire game your own video shows that to not be the case. Also, to my knowledge Tre was the lead guard at Texas.

[Kobblehead]

@Standford, you know how i know that?

Because Tankathon color coded it for me. Green, baby!

[Black Mage]

I keep coming back to, we're not going to be in position to draft the #2 SF prospect again for quite a while. That's my biggest hangup with the idea of passing up on Ace.

I also don't see a solution at SF coming in free agency or trade. Unless it's maybe a draft trade with the Pelicans for Trey or Herb.

[Stanford]

@Standford, you know how i know that?

Because Tankathon color coded it for me. Green, baby!

Huge fan of conditional formatting.

[Kobblehead]

My preference changes often, here's where I stand at this moment:

1. Tre Johnson
2. Nipples
3. Ace
4. Edge

[Black Mage]

How do we keep the #3 and get Brooklyn's #19 pick? Or someone else's pick in the 18 thru 22nd range?

Easy, flip a future first. Most teams don't want to use 4 first rounders in any single draft. Especially when you could flip a known late teen pick back into a "what if" pick.

[Kobblehead]

I also don't see a solution at SF coming in free agency or trade. Unless it's maybe a draft trade with the Pelicans for Trey or Herb.

What are your thoughts on Cam Whitmore? He seems highly getable, given that he's lost in the shuffle in Houston.

[Negrodamus]

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I am once again left wondering if I'm taking crazy pills being this high on a prospect. I'll keep referencing Shai: he reacts to what the defense gives him and he's never sped up. Offensively, he's the total package. Finishes with both hands, drives with both hands. Defensively, he produces deflections and is disruptive. When not sucking wind, he has shown the agility and quickness to defend guards. He's so obviously the 3rd best player in the draft to me and we're all talking about a guy who refuses to pass nor get to the rim, but rather take fadeaway mid range shots with 2 guys in his face. It's perplexing to me.

no way, i'm not falling for "footwork" prospects, not doing jahlil okafor again

Okafor is just a completely different prospect from Queen, so I'm often confused by these comparisons.

Queen was essentially the main creator by the end of the year and was usually getting the ball at the top of the key or in PnR situations. Shot almost 80% to close out the year. Was a willing 3pt shooter all year and finally started hitting above 40% in the month of March. Took plenty of mid range shots.

Okafor was a deep post C who had great post footwork, but not much else. Limited mid range shot. Zero perimeter shot. 51% from FT. Didn't get deflections/steals. Couldn't defend a soul outside of the post.

Having elite footwork is common with many of the top players in the NBA, so it's strange to dismiss a prospect because one top pick with elite footwork a decade ago **** the bed.

[ProcessDoctor]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ace-bailey--josh-jackson--jayson-tatum--jaylen-brown

Ace, Jaylen, Josh Jackson, Tatum.

Look at the whole thing, then focus on Jackson vs Brown. The draft is truly a crapshoot.

[Black Mage]

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I am once again left wondering if I'm taking crazy pills being this high on a prospect. I'll keep referencing Shai: he reacts to what the defense gives him and he's never sped up. Offensively, he's the total package. Finishes with both hands, drives with both hands. Defensively, he produces deflections and is disruptive. When not sucking wind, he has shown the agility and quickness to defend guards. He's so obviously the 3rd best player in the draft to me and we're all talking about a guy who refuses to pass nor get to the rim, but rather take fadeaway mid range shots with 2 guys in his face. It's perplexing to me.

I really liked watching Queen in college; I just don't believe he can do that against NBA level defenses. What position exactly do you play him at?

[Negrodamus]

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Postseason game today for Essengue. Productive at that age.

[ProcessDoctor]

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Postseason game today for Essengue. Productive at that age.

MY GUY

[eyeatoma]

I think they know more about ball than we do, and they have a better eye for talent.

Come on, bro. This isn't about me or you.

What do you think is more likely, that these millionaire podcasters are watching a ton of high school and college tape, or that they're offering a take on a podcast because it's their job to have a take on everything?

When I see Giannis working out with Ace Bailey, and Bailey is able to do a lot of the things, I'd say that says something. I agree that these guys are doing it for their hot takes, but it's been pretty consistent amongst a lot of players that they think Bailey is the next best after Flagg, and some think he is more talented and has higher upside. This isn't one persons take. That was why I shared the clip, if it were one guy, I'd agree with you.

[Negrodamus]

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I am once again left wondering if I'm taking crazy pills being this high on a prospect. I'll keep referencing Shai: he reacts to what the defense gives him and he's never sped up. Offensively, he's the total package. Finishes with both hands, drives with both hands. Defensively, he produces deflections and is disruptive. When not sucking wind, he has shown the agility and quickness to defend guards. He's so obviously the 3rd best player in the draft to me and we're all talking about a guy who refuses to pass nor get to the rim, but rather take fadeaway mid range shots with 2 guys in his face. It's perplexing to me.

I really liked watching Queen in college; I just don't believe he can do that against NBA level defenses. What position exactly do you play him at?

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Extremely similar players.

[eyeatoma]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ace-bailey--josh-jackson--jayson-tatum--jaylen-brown

Ace, Jaylen, Josh Jackson, Tatum.

Look at the whole thing, then focus on Jackson vs Brown. The draft is truly a crapshoot.

All that tells you is there is a ton of noise with advanced stats. When Embiid was vying with Joker for MVP, we all got sick and tired of the advanced stats constantly being shoved down our throats, when many of us could see that Embiid was a 2 way player who was equally dominant on both ends.

Now we're all throwing advanced stats and saying that Bailey doesn't measure up?

[stormi]

Are we absolutely sure Essengue doesn’t belong on this giant 3+ tier too as a lower usage upside option?

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He's my #5 player in the class. This is actual upside substantiated on more than RCSI, a cool name and athleticism.

At 17, Noa Essengue had 20/8/3/2 on 3/6 3P & 5/6 FT against an NBA Team. Also only 18.5 on draft night.

Someone's getting a steal if he falls out of the top five.

[stormi]

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28/5/8 in a game where Coop got hurt and scored two points.

IQ and feel for the game is "star upside", it's not a euphemism for the fastest track sprinter

Who are the three Kon voters in the poll? I'm assuming mjkvol is one

[Black Mage]

I also don't see a solution at SF coming in free agency or trade. Unless it's maybe a draft trade with the Pelicans for Trey or Herb.

What are your thoughts on Cam Whitmore? He seems highly getable, given that he's lost in the shuffle in Houston.

Might be a reasonable target. Not sure, let me ask this would you rather:

VJ/Tre + Whitmore

Or

Ace + Ayo Donsumu or Terrance Shannon, Jr?

[Negrodamus]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ace-bailey--josh-jackson--jayson-tatum--jaylen-brown

Ace, Jaylen, Josh Jackson, Tatum.

Look at the whole thing, then focus on Jackson vs Brown. The draft is truly a crapshoot.

Obviously there isn't a science to this thing. Everything about Brown screams "do not draft top 3". However he's 100% an anomaly when comparing to other top 3 prospects. Ant Edwards is the other one. I was wrong about both and have no issue admitting that; they were statistical anomalies in terms of prospects who panned out to be stars.

Josh Jackson was disqualified instantly with his 56% FT; there's no salvaging that shot. When you see the shot in action, you know it's going to be trash in the NBA. He was a turnover machine. On top of all that, he had legal issues at KU and was also a major hot head IIRC. It's not always purely stats for me; I try to see the whole picture.

With Ace, I can forgive a few things, but the whole picture statistically really makes it hard to justify him in the top 3. Watching him play is a rollercoaster when you watch full games: lots of cool things, amazing to see some of those shots go in; but then a ton of ugly moments. As I've said the whole time, he's a top 10 pick in this draft for sure, but I just don't feel comfortable taking him in the top 3, too volatile.

[Black Mage]

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Postseason game today for Essengue. Productive at that age.

A lot of Nico Batum vibes in that vid and I mean that in a good way. I didn't see him shoot a 3, is that in his bag or does he not take them?