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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1061 » by El Turco » Sat May 17, 2025 8:03 pm

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El Turco wrote:Commitment time doesnt matter when you are bound to give a similar contract to a Darnold level player again, that's just how Seahawks operate.

Bound?

He got the Baker Mayfield contract. Which is essentially a mid-level deal for a mid-level QB without a ton of guaranteed money beyond the first year. That's smart business.

Teams get in trouble when they hand out top of the market contracts for QB's who aren't that caliber of player. This is not the case with Darnold.


How did that smart business fare with the previous bridge qb contract? Length of the contract doesn't matter when your MO is paying mediocre quarterbacks again and again without a long term answer.

Having a mediocre qb only works when they are making rookie scale type of money.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1062 » by Cactus Jack » Sat May 17, 2025 8:53 pm

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El Turco wrote:Commitment time doesnt matter when you are bound to give a similar contract to a Darnold level player again, that's just how Seahawks operate.

Bound?

He got the Baker Mayfield contract. Which is essentially a mid-level deal for a mid-level QB without a ton of guaranteed money beyond the first year. That's smart business.

Teams get in trouble when they hand out top of the market contracts for QB's who aren't that caliber of player. This is not the case with Darnold.


How did that smart business fare with the previous bridge qb contract? Length of the contract doesn't matter when your MO is paying mediocre quarterbacks again and again without a long term answer.

Having a mediocre qb only works when they are making rookie scale type of money.

Just fine.

When the team decided to move on from Carroll, it meant there would be changes coming. Pete was fully behind Geno & had an eye on winning. That's why there was never a concrete long-term plan at QB. Carroll at his age wanted to win with his guys. Both players & coaches. He had final say. This is why they ultimately decided to hire a new coach. They recognized a change was needed.


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Just to be clear, the team has wanted to draft a QB the last two years since Carroll's departure. The plan is to develop a young QB for the long-term. That's why Darnold did NOT get a long-term commitment from the team.

Ideally, they would have preferred to draft a QB last year (Penix). But those plans we're foiled when Penix went earlier than expected. He was the guy they ultimately wanted. They even tried to trade up for him before Atlanta took him.

There wasn't a QB in this year's draft, other than Cam Ward, that was worthy of taking in the first round. So, Milroe is basically a lottery ticket. Who may or may not pan out. But they only sacrificed a late 3rd rounder on him & if it works out, then they'll have their guy.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1063 » by clyde21 » Sat May 17, 2025 10:41 pm

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QB_Eagles wrote:Not according to PFF.

lol

How many games did Purdy win last season? Darnold was in the MVP conversation before things unraveled for Minnesota.


Did you just give wins as a qb stat? Time to switch to volleyball bud :lol: :lol:


Purdy was pretty bad last year, tbh, I don't think you can make the argument that Darnold wasn't better. reason his PFF rating is so low because of his last two disastrous games.

to be fair to Brock, our whole team last year was a disaster, OL collapsed w/ injuries, skill positions guys too, just top to bottom systemic failure.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1064 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat May 17, 2025 11:25 pm

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Mr B wrote:I’m not sure you know what backloading a contract means. It’s a 5 year contract worth $265M with $151M guaranteed. So if they are only paying him $55M over the first 3 years where does the rest of the money go? The final 2 years of the deal right? That’s backloading.

The contract was written to allow them to make moves over the next 3 years. Years 4-5 of the deal he’s going to have a huge cap hit.

I'll reserve judgement until the full contract numbers are known.

But unless they are stupid, and it's true that he's getting $165 million over the first 3 years, that will also mean the guaranteed money will be mostly gone within the first 3 years.

So is it $55M over 3 years or $55M per year for each of the first 3 seasons? Serious question. That’s a big difference.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/brock-purdy-49ers-agree-to-five-year-contract-extension

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It is an absolutely awful contract.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1065 » by El Turco » Sat May 17, 2025 11:40 pm

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El Turco wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:lol

How many games did Purdy win last season? Darnold was in the MVP conversation before things unraveled for Minnesota.


Did you just give wins as a qb stat? Time to switch to volleyball bud :lol: :lol:


Purdy was pretty bad last year, tbh, I don't think you can make the argument that Darnold wasn't better. reason his PFF rating is so low because of his last two disastrous games.

to be fair to Brock, our whole team last year was a disaster, OL collapsed w/ injuries, skill positions guys too, just top to bottom systemic failure.


Last year was pretty much a write off after the mid point, they barely had enough warm bodies to field a team, as opposed to Darnold throwing to the best weapons in the league. It's a ridiculous comparison to begin with.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1066 » by QB_Eagles » Sun May 18, 2025 12:17 am

clyde21 wrote:
El Turco wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:lol

How many games did Purdy win last season? Darnold was in the MVP conversation before things unraveled for Minnesota.


Did you just give wins as a qb stat? Time to switch to volleyball bud :lol: :lol:


Purdy was pretty bad last year, tbh, I don't think you can make the argument that Darnold wasn't better. reason his PFF rating is so low because of his last two disastrous games.

to be fair to Brock, our whole team last year was a disaster, OL collapsed w/ injuries, skill positions guys too, just top to bottom systemic failure.

But why should Darnold's last two games not count? They're the reason the Vikings decided to stick with their 1st round QB draft pick who hasn't played a snap in the NFL. Darnold played the worst when the stakes were the highest.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1067 » by QB_Eagles » Sun May 18, 2025 12:22 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Lol if Mac played like Darnold this past season then someone would pay him starting money.

I'm not even a huge Darnold fan. But that's how it works. Darnold outplayed Purdy.

Not according to PFF.

lol

How many games did Purdy win last season? Darnold was in the MVP conversation before things unraveled for Minnesota.

I thought you liked PFF.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1068 » by Cactus Jack » Sun May 18, 2025 12:25 am

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clyde21 wrote:Purdy was pretty bad last year, tbh, I don't think you can make the argument that Darnold wasn't better. reason his PFF rating is so low because of his last two disastrous games.

to be fair to Brock, our whole team last year was a disaster, OL collapsed w/ injuries, skill positions guys too, just top to bottom systemic failure.

But why should Darnold's last two games not count? They're the reason the Vikings decided to stick with their 1st round QB draft pick who hasn't played a snap in the NFL.

Even if Darnold had played well for them in the playoffs they we're planning on starting McCarthy just based on the investment made. The added plus of having a starter on a rookie contract.

Darnold is not perfect by any means. But he proved himself to be a quality starter. That's why he got the contract he did. It's good money. But it's also a prove it type of deal. If he doesn't live up to it, then the team can move on in the near future.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1069 » by Cactus Jack » Sun May 18, 2025 12:31 am

QB_Eagles wrote:I thought you liked PFF.

Clyde was right. He had a much better season than Purdy on the whole. But because of the last two games to end the season, it tanked his rating.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1070 » by QB_Eagles » Sun May 18, 2025 12:40 am

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QB_Eagles wrote:I thought you liked PFF.

Clyde was right. He had a much better season than Purdy on the whole. But because of the last two games to end the season, it tanked his rating.

But those happened to be the most important games of the season: First to determine the #1 seed and then the playoffs.

Is there even one Vikings fan sad that Darnold left? It's better to have an unproven commodity than one who is proven to not be clutch.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1071 » by clyde21 » Sun May 18, 2025 12:41 am

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El Turco wrote:
Did you just give wins as a qb stat? Time to switch to volleyball bud :lol: :lol:


Purdy was pretty bad last year, tbh, I don't think you can make the argument that Darnold wasn't better. reason his PFF rating is so low because of his last two disastrous games.

to be fair to Brock, our whole team last year was a disaster, OL collapsed w/ injuries, skill positions guys too, just top to bottom systemic failure.

But why should Darnold's last two games not count? They're the reason the Vikings decided to stick with their 1st round QB draft pick who hasn't played a snap in the NFL. Darnold played the worst when the stakes were the highest.


they do count but the point is that for the majority of last year Darnold outplayed Brock

and yea Darnold was in a much better situation, and Brock was in a great situation the year before.

they both need to be in good situations, and Darnold got 33 per and brock got 55 per for the first 3 years.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1072 » by Cactus Jack » Sun May 18, 2025 12:50 am

QB_Eagles wrote:Is there even one Vikings fan sad that Darnold left?

Poor Hermes was heartbroken when he got the news. :wink:
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1073 » by El Turco » Sun May 18, 2025 1:25 am

clyde21 wrote:
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Purdy was pretty bad last year, tbh, I don't think you can make the argument that Darnold wasn't better. reason his PFF rating is so low because of his last two disastrous games.

to be fair to Brock, our whole team last year was a disaster, OL collapsed w/ injuries, skill positions guys too, just top to bottom systemic failure.

But why should Darnold's last two games not count? They're the reason the Vikings decided to stick with their 1st round QB draft pick who hasn't played a snap in the NFL. Darnold played the worst when the stakes were the highest.


they do count but the point is that for the majority of last year Darnold outplayed Brock

and yea Darnold was in a much better situation, and Brock was in a great situation the year before.

they both need to be in good situations, and Darnold got 33 per and brock got 55 per for the first 3 years.


Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1074 » by Cactus Jack » Sun May 18, 2025 1:30 am

El Turco wrote:Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:

I thought you had joined the Jalen Hurts fan club?
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1075 » by El Turco » Sun May 18, 2025 1:36 am

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El Turco wrote:Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:

I thought you had joined the Jalen Hurts fan club?


I have a big enough heart for everyone, everyone who has just won a super bowl.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1076 » by clyde21 » Sun May 18, 2025 1:54 am

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QB_Eagles wrote:But why should Darnold's last two games not count? They're the reason the Vikings decided to stick with their 1st round QB draft pick who hasn't played a snap in the NFL. Darnold played the worst when the stakes were the highest.


they do count but the point is that for the majority of last year Darnold outplayed Brock

and yea Darnold was in a much better situation, and Brock was in a great situation the year before.

they both need to be in good situations, and Darnold got 33 per and brock got 55 per for the first 3 years.


Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:


true, but 55m a pop for Brock is wild regardless. As a 49ers fan I hope he earns but it's still a hard pill to swallow.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1077 » by El Turco » Sun May 18, 2025 10:26 am

clyde21 wrote:
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they do count but the point is that for the majority of last year Darnold outplayed Brock

and yea Darnold was in a much better situation, and Brock was in a great situation the year before.

they both need to be in good situations, and Darnold got 33 per and brock got 55 per for the first 3 years.


Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:


true, but 55m a pop for Brock is wild regardless. As a 49ers fan I hope he earns but it's still a hard pill to swallow.


His gets paid less than Dak, Lawrence, Love, Tua, Goff and he has proven more than all of them. He will be around 11th highest paid qb when you adjust it by the cap. As I said I dont like paying the quarterbacks overall but in a world where you have to pay them he got a below market deal for quarterbacks his level.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1078 » by QB_Eagles » Sun May 18, 2025 11:17 am

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El Turco wrote:Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:

I thought you had joined the Jalen Hurts fan club?

He just enjoys non-Top 5, overpaid QBs who are clutch in the playoffs. :nod:
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1079 » by clyde21 » Sun May 18, 2025 3:20 pm

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Difference is one goes to the Super Bowl in a good situation, other chokes in the wild card round :wink:


true, but 55m a pop for Brock is wild regardless. As a 49ers fan I hope he earns but it's still a hard pill to swallow.


His gets paid less than Dak, Lawrence, Love, Tua, Goff and he has proven more than all of them. He will be around 11th highest paid qb when you adjust it by the cap. As I said I dont like paying the quarterbacks overall but in a world where you have to pay them he got a below market deal for quarterbacks his level.


Over the first 3 years of the contract he's like 6th right now actually, last two not guaranteed, but by then he'll be asking for a new contract anyways

and really not a fan of the argument 'look at all these other overpaid QBs'. yea, those guys shouldn't have been paid that much either.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#1080 » by clyde21 » Sun May 18, 2025 3:26 pm

Really there is no reason why Darnold is being paid 20 million less per year than Brock the next 3 years, even if Brock is better
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