SAS/MIL/PHX - wingSpan Antonio

[HornetJail]

Spurs trade Fox, Vassell, Barnes, Keldon, Sochan, #2, #14, 2027 1st (better of ATL/SAS), 2030 1st swap (trades best of SAS/MIN/DAL for worst of MIL/POR)
Spurs receive Giannis, Durant, O'Neale
San Antonio goes all in on a massive lineup. Castle/[O'Neale probably pushed to the bench by a FA SG]/Durant/Giannis/Wemby would be an impossible task to try and guard, and the bench could conceivably still have CP3, a couple good FAs, and Champagnie on it. Not a finished roster but would be a strong contender once FA happens.

Bucks trade Giannis, Portis
Bucks receive Keldon, Barnes, Allen, #2, #14, 2027 1st (better of ATL/SAS), 2030 1st swap (trades worst of MIL/POR for best of SAS/MIN/DAL)
Milwaukee centers their rebuild around Dylan Harper, and multiple other picks, a late lotto and two with very significant upside.

Suns trade Durant, Allen, O'Neale
Suns receive Fox, Portis, Vassell, Sochan
Phoenix assembles a cohesive team that doesn't have a thousand players of the same skillset. Beal remains but what can you do... Fox/Booker/Vassell is a dynamic backcourt, and Portis and Sochan are much better than the existing frontcourt players. Can a rotation of Fox/Booker/Vassell/Portis/Richards + Beal/Dunn/Oso/#29 pick/a couple free agent vet mins do something?

[Chinook]

Lost in the upcoming discussion about value is that this makes negative sense for the Spurs from just a logical standpoint. They shouldn't trade Fox in a win-now move. They shouldn't trade 2 and Fox. They shouldn't rely on Paul if they're trying to win games. They shouldn't be targeting two max contracts for players who play the same position.

[One_and_Done]

Take out Fox and the #2 and you've got the beginnings of a deal.

[axeman23]

Holy overpay, Batman! This is SA chucking in all THEIR chips, then taking out a loan for MORE chips to throw in. Did something happen overnight that shortened Wemby's career by a decade?

[RiotPunch]

Take out Fox and the #2 and you've got the beginnings of a deal.

Not for Giannis, you don't.

[One_and_Done]

Take out Fox and the #2 and you've got the beginnings of a deal.

Not for Giannis, you don't.

If Giannis does leave, which I doubt, he's forcing his way out of town. In that scenario Spurs can keep #2 and Fox.

[RiotPunch]

Take out Fox and the #2 and you've got the beginnings of a deal.

Not for Giannis, you don't.

If Giannis does leave, which I doubt, he's forcing his way out of town. In that scenario Spurs can keep #2 and Fox.

I disagree. Spurs can keep Fox, but #2 is necessary, along with Castle and picks. Fox/Wemby/Giannis is the vision.

I do agree that Giannis ultimately stays.

[Domejandro]

Take out Fox and the #2 and you've got the beginnings of a deal.

Not for Giannis, you don't.

If Giannis does leave, which I doubt, he's forcing his way out of town. In that scenario Spurs can keep #2 and Fox.

There is absolutely ZERO world in which San Antonio is trading for Giannis that does not involve the second overall pick.

[One_and_Done]

Not for Giannis, you don't.

If Giannis does leave, which I doubt, he's forcing his way out of town. In that scenario Spurs can keep #2 and Fox.

I disagree. Spurs can keep Fox, but #2 is necessary, along with Castle and picks. Fox/Wemby/Giannis is the vision.

I do agree that Giannis ultimately stays.

Fans of the team losing the player always feel that way, but when the time comes to trade the reality is usually different. It's not how leverage works.

If this was the #2 in a bad draft I'd agree with you, but that's not the case here. A young team like the Spurs isn't moving a likely star guard on Wemby's timeline for a 30 yr old. They can have a pile of other picks though, many of which look tasty.

[RiotPunch]

If Giannis does leave, which I doubt, he's forcing his way out of town. In that scenario Spurs can keep #2 and Fox.

I disagree. Spurs can keep Fox, but #2 is necessary, along with Castle and picks. Fox/Wemby/Giannis is the vision.

I do agree that Giannis ultimately stays.

Fans of the team losing the player always feel that way, but when the time comes to trade the reality is usually different. It's not how leverage works.

If this was the #2 in a bad draft I'd agree with you, but that's not the case here. A young team like the Spurs isn't moving a likely star guard on Wemby's timeline for a 30 yr old. They can have a pile of other picks though, many of which look tasty.

Then they can kick rocks, you are off your rocker, sir.

[RiotPunch]

Man, the blatant disrespect for an MVP caliber player still in his prime. Do better, T&T board.

[One_and_Done]

I disagree. Spurs can keep Fox, but #2 is necessary, along with Castle and picks. Fox/Wemby/Giannis is the vision.

I do agree that Giannis ultimately stays.

Fans of the team losing the player always feel that way, but when the time comes to trade the reality is usually different. It's not how leverage works.

If this was the #2 in a bad draft I'd agree with you, but that's not the case here. A young team like the Spurs isn't moving a likely star guard on Wemby's timeline for a 30 yr old. They can have a pile of other picks though, many of which look tasty.

Then they can kick rocks, you are off your rocker, sir.

Are the Spurs in some kind of hurry I am not aware of?

[One_and_Done]

Man, the blatant disrespect for an MVP caliber player still in his prime. Do better, T&T board.

Giannis has high value in a vacuum. We're discussing the unlikely scenario of him demanding a trade. Once that happens, it obviously changes what he's worth. If Giannis was locked up for 5 years it would obviously be different.

[RiotPunch]

Man, the blatant disrespect for an MVP caliber player still in his prime. Do better, T&T board.

Giannis has high value in a vacuum. We're discussing the unlikely scenario of him demanding a trade. Once that happens, it obviously changes what he's worth. If Giannis was locked up for 5 years it would obviously be different.

Even in this unlikely scenario, he would command incredible value. Rockets/Thunder/Spurs bidding war. How are the Spurs closing that deal without including #2?

[RiotPunch]

Fans of the team losing the player always feel that way, but when the time comes to trade the reality is usually different. It's not how leverage works.

If this was the #2 in a bad draft I'd agree with you, but that's not the case here. A young team like the Spurs isn't moving a likely star guard on Wemby's timeline for a 30 yr old. They can have a pile of other picks though, many of which look tasty.

Then they can kick rocks, you are off your rocker, sir.

Are the Spurs in some kind of hurry I am not aware of?

Absolutely not. Wemby's window is open right now, and open for hopefully a decade plus.

I'm saying if you don't want to pay the piper for Giannis, you can kick rocks.

[One_and_Done]

Man, the blatant disrespect for an MVP caliber player still in his prime. Do better, T&T board.

Giannis has high value in a vacuum. We're discussing the unlikely scenario of him demanding a trade. Once that happens, it obviously changes what he's worth. If Giannis was locked up for 5 years it would obviously be different.

Even in this unlikely scenario, he would command incredible value. Rockets/Thunder/Spurs bidding war. How are the Spurs closing that deal without including #2?

It's not a bidding war if Giannis says 'trade me here'.

[JayMKE]

This trade is garbage. #2 in this draft isn’t worth much to me because Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey will both bust. Nothing else of value. Easy no, San Antonio will have to use all their assets or lose our number, don’t want crap. Lmao @ this dude saying they wouldn’t even give up this crappy #2, seriously keep it

[JayMKE]

Giannis has high value in a vacuum. We're discussing the unlikely scenario of him demanding a trade. Once that happens, it obviously changes what he's worth. If Giannis was locked up for 5 years it would obviously be different.

Even in this unlikely scenario, he would command incredible value. Rockets/Thunder/Spurs bidding war. How are the Spurs closing that deal without including #2?

It's not a bidding war if Giannis says 'trade me here'.

Aint nobody in history said “trade me to San Antonio”

[One_and_Done]

Even in this unlikely scenario, he would command incredible value. Rockets/Thunder/Spurs bidding war. How are the Spurs closing that deal without including #2?

It's not a bidding war if Giannis says 'trade me here'.

Aint nobody in history said “trade me to San Antonio”

Fox literally just did.

[JayMKE]

It's not a bidding war if Giannis says 'trade me here'.

Aint nobody in history said “trade me to San Antonio”

Fox literally just did.

Fox just wasn’t extending with Sacramento