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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#361 » by Mavrelous » Sun May 18, 2025 9:58 am

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Teffer10 wrote:What do you guys think about Ant Black and the chances of getting him?

I haven't followed Black much so not sure about his status and upside but how would this deal look for all teams involved?

Orlando receives - Reaves/Hayes/Omax
LA receives - Gafford/Klay/2029 (their pick back)
Dallas receives - Black/Carter/Maxi, Gabe or Vanderbuilt

Salaries should be close and some picks would probably have to be involved.

If Mavs are paying for Reaves I prefer him, but I liked Black a lot during the draft.

I'm pretty sure Orlando is looking for offense and Reaves provides that. Black makes some sense for us because he is a great defender and has good size to play next to Kyrie when he returns, and young to develop with Lively and CF.

There is a lot of defender on Mavs roster also, but no one who can create an advantage on offense except Kyrie.
Black was very rough in the PO, scared to shoot.
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Post#362 » by Maverick41 » Sun May 18, 2025 10:41 am

I like Anthony Black a lot. I'm not sure about the trade proposed but I can see another variation of it. I think it would be simpler. Maybe something like:

DAL receives: Black
LAL receives: Gafford + #16 + #36
ORL receives: Reaves
BRK receives: #25 + G. Harris
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Post#363 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun May 18, 2025 10:43 am

ACMFFL wrote:Lmfao I took a look at the Celtics board and some of them actually believe they could get Flagg for Brown :crazy: so damn delusional :lol:


Hahahahahahaha let them dream... Until Silver doesn't make another move Flagg is a Mavs.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#364 » by Teffer10 » Sun May 18, 2025 10:58 am

Maverick41 wrote:I like Anthony Black a lot. I'm not sure about the trade proposed but I can see another variation of it. I think it would be simpler. Maybe something like:

DAL receives: Black
LAL receives: Gafford + #16 + #36
ORL receives: Reaves
BRK receives: #25 + G. Harris

Yeah, this makes more sense.
LA seems to value Reaves more than the Mavs valued Luka so it looks like they will want several picks.

I like Black because him, Lively and Christie are all about the same age and Cooper is even younger. I could see the 4 of them bonding and growing together over the years.

My only concern is the limited offense from that quartet. If I'm not mistaken, Black is a Ricky Rubio type of player so he would have to improve that part of his game. Plus he is a local kid if I'm not mistaken and would probably be a fan favorite.
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Post#365 » by arkuo » Sun May 18, 2025 11:12 am

Flagg, Lively, and Christie lack offense but are very great defensively. Ideally you need a high octane guard to run that group. Think young Jason Kidd or Steve Nash type. Christie and Lively aren't going to give you 20-10 each. The next guard for their timeline would have to produce that IMO.

A 22 year old Tyrese Maxey would be ideal but those don't grow on trees.
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Post#366 » by Maverick41 » Sun May 18, 2025 11:12 am

Teffer10 wrote:
Maverick41 wrote:I like Anthony Black a lot. I'm not sure about the trade proposed but I can see another variation of it. I think it would be simpler. Maybe something like:

DAL receives: Black
LAL receives: Gafford + #16 + #36
ORL receives: Reaves
BRK receives: #25 + G. Harris

Yeah, this makes more sense.
I like Black because him, Lively and Christie are all about the same age and Cooper is even younger. I could see the 4 of them bonding and growing together over the years.

My only concern is the limited offense from that quartet. If I'm not mistaken, Black is a Ricky Rubio type of player so he would have to improve that part of his game. Plus he is a local kid if I'm not mistaken and would probably be a fan favorite.

He reminds me more of Lonzo Ball as i dont see the Rubio vision in him. I think Lonzo was more talented but Black has similarities.

Imo i don't really want a high usage guard next to Flagg. I prefer a guy that moves the ball well and can defend. I want to see Flagg develop his playmaking with Kyrie out even though I know it will be rough at first. Black does a good job of moving the ball and not letting it stick in his hands. I like that with the current team.
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Post#367 » by arkuo » Sun May 18, 2025 11:37 am

I think Dumont has to go out of his way and fix that relationship with Dirk. Flagg could learn a whole lot from him.
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Post#368 » by Mr B » Sun May 18, 2025 12:10 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
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I keep thinking Pelinka will offer Knecht+1st round for Gaff. I think that would be a very good offer because Knecht has become undervalued since JJ buried him on the bench for some weird reason and that 1st pick would be good to have just because it's 1st.



Best thing Mavs can do now is create a bidding war for Gaff. lots of teams need starting quality centers now. Let them have at it and see what comes up.

Teams like the Lakers and Golden State cannot afford to start the season without a starting center. That's wasting another year of Luka or Curry. One team will be desperate.


Actually, not much teams are in great need of C, other than LAL/GSW/MIL/may be PHX, however, dont forget there are teams in surplus of C besides DAL, such as POR/ORL. Hence, dont overestimate what we can get for Gafford.

Chicago has an older Center going into the final year of his contract. They need a younger replacement that doesn’t have a maxed out contract. The only problem with Chicago is does Gafford want to go back to Chicago. He may not be willing to sign a contract with them. They should be in the market for a center though.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#369 » by Mr B » Sun May 18, 2025 12:16 pm

arkuo wrote:I think Dallas has to invest in a Coby White. He will be here long after Kyrie and AD have retired and will be there to be Flagg and Lively's point guard for the foreseeable future. Two timelines to take care of.

I don’t know if Chicago would be interested in Gafford or if Gafford would even be open to signing and extension with them. It seems to me though that a 3 team deal where Chicago gets picks from whoever does want Gafford and the Mavs get Coby White.
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Post#370 » by Archx » Sun May 18, 2025 12:21 pm

Mr B wrote:
arkuo wrote:I think Dallas has to invest in a Coby White. He will be here long after Kyrie and AD have retired and will be there to be Flagg and Lively's point guard for the foreseeable future. Two timelines to take care of.

I don’t know if Chicago would be interested in Gafford or if Gafford would even be open to signing and extension with them. It seems to me though that a 3 team deal where Chicago gets picks from whoever does want Gafford and the Mavs get Coby White.


Projected new salary in UFA market for Coby White is around 30M per year.
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Post#371 » by ACMFFL » Sun May 18, 2025 12:23 pm

Problem with Coby White is that you're essentially trading for a rental who is looking for a huge raise in FA.
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Post#372 » by arkuo » Sun May 18, 2025 12:29 pm

ACMFFL wrote:Problem with Coby White is that you're essentially trading for a rental who is looking for a huge raise in FA.


So White seems to be on the same boat as Reaves, PJ and Gaff. All looking for a raise. I think Dallas needs to trim salary than add.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#373 » by Michaellam1987 » Sun May 18, 2025 1:27 pm

White will be too expensive to resign, unless we are locked in to have him as part of the young core going forward.
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Post#374 » by Archx » Sun May 18, 2025 2:01 pm

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ACMFFL wrote:Problem with Coby White is that you're essentially trading for a rental who is looking for a huge raise in FA.


So White seems to be on the same boat as Reaves, PJ and Gaff. All looking for a raise. I think Dallas needs to trim salary than add.


That's why i keep repeating myself over and over again. People love to make trades without even considering salary cap. Mavs upcoming extensions are AD/Kyrie/Lively/PJ/Gafford... then you have to add new salary for Flagg which is also in the range of 11M. And you're quickly massively over 2nd apron.

Whatever Mavs do, it is very important to bring back as little salary as they can for Gafford, therefore i always said extra draft capital would be better. Landing a 1st round pick for him would be ideal because you can do whatever you want with it.

But if they do take back bigger contracts, it would mean that extra players would have to go, which Nico hinted that won't be the case. They are "happy" with the roster as it is.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#375 » by Mavrelous » Sun May 18, 2025 2:10 pm

Not sold on Bulls White TBH, prefer Celtics White, and willing to trade both 1sts and Gafford.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#376 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun May 18, 2025 3:08 pm

arkuo wrote:I think Dumont has to go out of his way and fix that relationship with Dirk. Flagg could learn a whole lot from him.


Yes, next to fire Harrison.
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Post#377 » by 41Dirk41 » Sun May 18, 2025 3:09 pm

Brown has torn meniscus. No thanks.
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Post#378 » by arkuo » Sun May 18, 2025 3:59 pm

Hard decision. But do you trade Kyrie for Tyrese Maxey? Who says no?

I'd give a lot to be able to pair Flagg and Cade Cunningham. But that price will be steep. Think Detroit says no to ALL offers.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#379 » by Heezzi » Sun May 18, 2025 4:25 pm

I don't know why yall think Gafford is getting traded when the Mavs have two injury prone big men. PJ will go before Gafford.
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Post#380 » by Archx » Sun May 18, 2025 4:29 pm

arkuo wrote:Hard decision. But do you trade Kyrie for Tyrese Maxey? Who says no?


76ers.

Heezzi wrote:I don't know why yall think Gafford is getting traded when the Mavs have two injury prone big men. PJ will go before Gafford.


Because a versatile 3&D big wing is way more valuable than a center like Gafford.

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