2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[TheSuzerain]

He's 6'9" bare foot.

Basically identical dimensions to Horford/Naz Reid/Sengun.

The Queen slander is out of control.

Sometimes people focus on measurements too much. Those should be supplemental to what you actually see on the court. Queen is a no brainer if available at 12. He passes the eye test for me. Don’t forget how he stepped up and hit that game winner in the tournament, can’t have too much clutch. There have been plenty of effective players who don’t jump out of the gym at that position.

Ya’ll have convinced me we do need to take BPA over a big though. I love the idea to pivot by tier then position. I swear to God though, if they announce Jase Richardson on draft night I’m going to be in my feels for weeks wondering how the hell we are going to fix this roster after adding a 6 foot guard to it going forward.

I just think a team with a team with Queen and Giddey both in the front court and Coby in the backcourt has a defensive ceiling that's too low to ever be a contender, even with Matas at the 4 and a good defender at the other backcourt spot.

It's just a question of whether we want a hub center or not. If we do, Queen (unless he absolutely bombs interviews/background check) is an excellent hub center prospect and a steal at 12.

[DuckIII]

Sometimes people focus on measurements too much. Those should be supplemental to what you actually see on the court. Queen is a no brainer if available at 12. He passes the eye test for me. Don’t forget how he stepped up and hit that game winner in the tournament, can’t have too much clutch. There have been plenty of effective players who don’t jump out of the gym at that position.

Ya’ll have convinced me we do need to take BPA over a big though. I love the idea to pivot by tier then position. I swear to God though, if they announce Jase Richardson on draft night I’m going to be in my feels for weeks wondering how the hell we are going to fix this roster after adding a 6 foot guard to it going forward.

I just think a team with a team with Queen and Giddey both in the front court and Coby in the backcourt has a defensive ceiling that's too low to ever be a contender, even with Matas at the 4 and a good defender at the other backcourt spot.

It's just a question of whether we want a hub center or not. If we do, Queen (unless he absolutely bombs interviews/background check) is an excellent hub center prospect and a steal at 12.

I don’t like Queen’s fit with this roster. But him being over 6’9 barefoot instead of the 6’7 posted does matter to me. Just not enough to draft him. He’s not in my top 12.

That said, fit means zero to me this year. We do not have a secured core to build around. We have 2 guys that are locks and both play multiple positions. Get the best guy. If that’s Queen and we have to make roster adjustments around his poor defense later, so be it.

That said, after watching Vuc, if I never see a Bulls team structured around a defensively negative center again I will count myself lucky.

[Jvaughn]

Yep. That’s his floor IMO.

Total Masai pick.

I can see Blazers taking Coward.

As soon as I saw that Toronto wasn't in the top 4 I knew that was the furthest Maluach would fall.

I think he's goes before 9, promise there is kind of meaningless. Both the Wizards & Pels could use a center, and even Brooklyn could easily see him as a better long term C over Claxton and just trade Claxton for another 1st round pick.

Yeah, I don't think he'd last past Pelicans, as he'd probably be BPA as well as best fit there. Someone would have to trade up in front of them.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Who are the 10 best scorers in this draft?

[TheSuzerain]

I just think a team with a team with Queen and Giddey both in the front court and Coby in the backcourt has a defensive ceiling that's too low to ever be a contender, even with Matas at the 4 and a good defender at the other backcourt spot.

It's just a question of whether we want a hub center or not. If we do, Queen (unless he absolutely bombs interviews/background check) is an excellent hub center prospect and a steal at 12.

I don’t like Queen’s fit with this roster. But him being over 6’9 barefoot instead of the 6’7 posted does matter to me. Just not enough to draft him. He’s not in my top 12.

That said, fit means zero to me this year. We do not have a secured core to build around. We have 2 guys that are locks and both play multiple positions. Get the best guy. If that’s Queen and we have to make roster adjustments around his poor defense later, so be it.

That said, after watching Vuc, if I never see a Bulls team structured around a defensively negative center again I will count myself lucky.

Queen isn't about fit really. It's just a question of whether you want to initiate through a big or not. And not in the post up sense, in the modern sense with mid post face ups and even touches at top of key.

Not every contending team does this but some certainly do. He's a swing at that.

Vuc is an interesting case as we actually did have a very good defense around him for a minute there. Turns out POA defense is significant.

[sco]

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Kneuppels got an effortless stroke. I see a lot of Austin Reaves in his game. We could use his shooting for sure. Solid pick at 12

He won't be there, but I'd be all over him. I feel like he is overlooked as a gritty defender. He'd be a good guy to play between Giddey and White.

[nomorezorro]

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obviously can't put too much stock in one game but as someone who hadn't really looked into him at all, that sure seems like a good intro to why the people who are hyped on him are hyped. i'm a little wary of adding a guy with a shaky shot to this roster, and it also seems like essengue's game has a lot of overlap with matas's, but that free throw rate from an 18 year old playing professionally is pretty tantalizing

[sco]

did i miss the discussion of essengue's playoff game yesterday?

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obviously can't put too much stock in one game but as someone who hadn't really looked into him at all, that sure seems like a good intro to why the people who are hyped on him are hyped. i'm a little wary of adding a guy with a shaky shot to this roster, and it also seems like essengue's game has a lot of overlap with matas's, but that free throw rate from an 18 year old playing professionally is pretty tantalizing

Do we have a real measure on him? I saw 6'9 somewhere. I like his game, but he doesn't seem to have the size to be a C or the shot to be a PF.

[League Circles]

Queen seems like almost an ideal cross....... between Eddy Curry and Marcus Fizer

[2weekswithpay]

did i miss the discussion of essengue's playoff game yesterday?

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obviously can't put too much stock in one game but as someone who hadn't really looked into him at all, that sure seems like a good intro to why the people who are hyped on him are hyped. i'm a little wary of adding a guy with a shaky shot to this roster, and it also seems like essengue's game has a lot of overlap with matas's, but that free throw rate from an 18 year old playing professionally is pretty tantalizing

Do we have a real measure on him? I saw 6'9 somewhere. I like his game, but he doesn't seem to have the size to be a C or the shot to be a PF.

6'9 with a 6'11 WS.

[Rose2Boozer]

If Derik Queen is available at 12, the Bulls rep should run fools over trying to get to Adam Silver. That would be the biggest no-brainer of the night, next to the Mavs drafting Cooper Flagg.

[Senor Chang]

Hansen Yang is playing in the first game.

Dude looks legit. Nimble on his feet with a really good feel for the game. 7’1” barefoot, 7’2.5” wingspan. Can really pass the ball. One nickname i saw is Yaokic lol. I think he intrigues me more than anyone available at our pick range.


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[TheSuzerain]

You'd need to determine if Coward is a real shooter vs a guy who can shoot. That's what separates him as a prospect from someone like Carter Bryant imo.

But if he does seem that way, he's a very attractive pick.

Nice guy next to Matas that keeps the ceiling high on both ends and is non-commital in tens of team build.

[BullsSD]

did i miss the discussion of essengue's playoff game yesterday?

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obviously can't put too much stock in one game but as someone who hadn't really looked into him at all, that sure seems like a good intro to why the people who are hyped on him are hyped. i'm a little wary of adding a guy with a shaky shot to this roster, and it also seems like essengue's game has a lot of overlap with matas's, but that free throw rate from an 18 year old playing professionally is pretty tantalizing

Do we have a real measure on him? I saw 6'9 somewhere. I like his game, but he doesn't seem to have the size to be a C or the shot to be a PF.

This guy just doesn't do it for me. I see a great defensive role player (Thabo Sefolosha type) likely off the bench, but I don't think he fits well with Matas at all, and is certainly not the BPA. Fleming in every way is a better PF prospect outside of age. Giddey is 22 though, so I'm totally fine with drafting a 20 year old PF instead of an 18 year old one if he's physically stronger and longer and can shoot 100x better.

[Chi town]

did i miss the discussion of essengue's playoff game yesterday?

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obviously can't put too much stock in one game but as someone who hadn't really looked into him at all, that sure seems like a good intro to why the people who are hyped on him are hyped. i'm a little wary of adding a guy with a shaky shot to this roster, and it also seems like essengue's game has a lot of overlap with matas's, but that free throw rate from an 18 year old playing professionally is pretty tantalizing

Do we have a real measure on him? I saw 6'9 somewhere. I like his game, but he doesn't seem to have the size to be a C or the shot to be a PF.

6'9 with a 6'11 WS.

6’9 barefoot so 6’10.5 with shoes.

Him and Buz together would be such a fun watch. I think Noa has a higher ceiling than Ace and a better shot of hitting his ceiling.

[Chi town]

You'd need to determine if Coward is a real shooter vs a guy who can shoot. That's what separates him as a prospect from someone like Carter Bryant imo.

But if he does seem that way, he's a very attractive pick.

Nice guy next to Matas that keeps the ceiling high on both ends and is non-commital in tens of team build.

Yep. Plug and play. Very 2 way versatile. Tre and Kon are better pure shooters but I def think he is a shooter. His clips for EW he shows a very quick shot setup and lets it fly.

I think he could become a movement shooter in time which raises his ceiling even higher. I’m higher on him becoming a movement shooter than becoming an on ball creator. He can score at all 3 levels but he’s not a lead handler or playmaker. I think he could become a lead shooter.

[Guru]

Yaxel is probably my favorite right now. He's still raw but I think the sky is the limit for him.

[Chi town]

I believe in Noa’s shot much like I did with Buz. His form looks really good and consistent. I believe in his development as he keeps getting better. He put up 20 as a 17yr old against the Blazers.

Kid is elite at cutting for buckets and getting to the FT line without getting many touches. He would feast with Giddey. He also has more on ball creation and moves than Buz at the same stage. Noa can get his own shot on spin fadeaway and up and under.

I think he starts out playing 3-4 and eventually will be able to play some small ball 5. He will probably grow another inch and then start filling in.

I will be surprised if he’s there at 12. Raps will take him if Maluach is gone. Blazers too.

[Chi town]

Yaxel is probably my favorite right now. He's still raw but I think the sky is the limit for him.

I see SAR. He was always a fun watch.

Yaxel feels too slow for me. He is strong but he doesn’t use his strength well enough yet to make up for his lack of speed and quickness ala Bulked Up Lauri.

[Guru]

Yaxel is probably my favorite right now. He's still raw but I think the sky is the limit for him.

I see SAR. He was always a fun watch.

Yaxel feels too slow for me. He is strong but he doesn’t use his strength well enough yet to make up for his lack of speed and quickness ala Bulked Up Lauri.

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