Barring trade, keep 2nd round pick or sign FA such as Tre Jones?

[Red8911]

Separate question, how much are folks willing to pay Jones? I look at Jones as an Ayo replacement, but if he costs much more than $10M, hoping Ayo was just having a bad year and he rebounds after his shoulder heals is the better bet. If we do sign Jones, I'd be pressing hard to trade Ayo during the offseason or at the deadline.

I think Ak already made the decision by giving Lonzo $10M; it's zero. You can't keep all 4 extra PGs Lonzo, Ayo, Carter, and Tre all making $7M to $10M each. Tre played because both Ayo & Lonzo were injured all season and he was better than Jevon, but you can't allocate serious money to the backup of a backup of a backup. That's where your 2-ways and rookies should be in the roster.

Apparently AK and Billy really liked Tre so we’ll see what happens, If true they will find a way to bring him back.

I think Tre is a better back up to both Ayo and Lonzo so they should definitely look for ways to make it happen.

[League Circles]

To your first question, where did I say that? As to your 2nd question, I answered it in the inverse in my last sentence.

Your bolded comment reads to me as "I don't value Coby at all, so if there's a trade I'd otherwise want to do even without him, but he's needed to get it done, I'd do it".

Why do we need to unload anyone other than Patrick? Everyone else is expiring. There's a difference between not valuing guys and actively wanting to get rid of them, which in a non-cap space situation like us this summer, is akin to saying you'd give everyone but Giddey, Matas, Smith and Ayo away for nothing and take your chances remaking 3/4 of the roster in free agency this summer. I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.

For me, only Patrick and maybe Vuc would I give away for nothing right now.

I wouldn't give away anyone for nothing. Well... PWill certainly but he is just such an outlier with his negative impact for 18 mil a season.

I think I started by saying that "barring trade" you're screwed. That may be where we are talking past each other. I am not answering the question posed in the OP, because I reject the assumption. My point was that Coby has value. So you trade Coby for better quality and higher salary. I don't think Coby is a starter on a great team (he would be an elite scorer off the bench) but I still recognize the value of his current contract. You add other players to make the salary work. So you end up with a better player while shedding a couple of guys you don't want on the roster anyway. As you said, "everyone else is expiring" and are incidental for a team who wants Coby and also wants to shed some salary after this season.

If I answered the specific question it would be a simple answer. Sign Tre (likely better than anyone you take with the pick).

Fair enough. Though it's hard for me to wrap my head around your presumption that we can get a better player than Coby with Coby being the best piece going out while you're rejecting the very real plausible scenario that we simply can't find a trade that AK (or you or I) like.

Tre or another MLE signing would almost certainly be better than #45, but on a longer contract that compromises our flexibility the next few offseasons.

[Stratmaster]

Your bolded comment reads to me as "I don't value Coby at all, so if there's a trade I'd otherwise want to do even without him, but he's needed to get it done, I'd do it".

Why do we need to unload anyone other than Patrick? Everyone else is expiring. There's a difference between not valuing guys and actively wanting to get rid of them, which in a non-cap space situation like us this summer, is akin to saying you'd give everyone but Giddey, Matas, Smith and Ayo away for nothing and take your chances remaking 3/4 of the roster in free agency this summer. I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.

For me, only Patrick and maybe Vuc would I give away for nothing right now.

I wouldn't give away anyone for nothing. Well... PWill certainly but he is just such an outlier with his negative impact for 18 mil a season.

I think I started by saying that "barring trade" you're screwed. That may be where we are talking past each other. I am not answering the question posed in the OP, because I reject the assumption. My point was that Coby has value. So you trade Coby for better quality and higher salary. I don't think Coby is a starter on a great team (he would be an elite scorer off the bench) but I still recognize the value of his current contract. You add other players to make the salary work. So you end up with a better player while shedding a couple of guys you don't want on the roster anyway. As you said, "everyone else is expiring" and are incidental for a team who wants Coby and also wants to shed some salary after this season.

If I answered the specific question it would be a simple answer. Sign Tre (likely better than anyone you take with the pick).

Fair enough. Though it's hard for me to wrap my head around your presumption that we can get a better player than Coby with Coby being the best piece going out while you're rejecting the very real plausible scenario that we simply can't find a trade that AK (or you or I) like.

Tre or another MLE signing would almost certainly be better than #45, but on a longer contract that compromises our flexibility the next few offseasons.

Again, I will reference my original quote. "Barring a trade, you're screwed". I am not presuming anything. I am hoping. If there is no trade to be found for any of these guys you simply have to ride them another season, and whether or not you give a roster spot to Tre or to the 45th pick really doesn't matter much. The problem with that is that unless someone is looking for expirings at the trade deadline just to shed salary you are going to have nothing but middling money to move forward with. (That assumes you signed Giddey and Coby to big contracts). Good luck luring a big free agent to play with a core of Giddey, Matas and White. Essentially, you are starting your rebuild/tank/youth movement/window (whatever you want to call it) over with Giddey and Matas. Enjoy the next 5 seasons of "rebuilding".

[League Circles]

I wouldn't give away anyone for nothing. Well... PWill certainly but he is just such an outlier with his negative impact for 18 mil a season.

I think I started by saying that "barring trade" you're screwed. That may be where we are talking past each other. I am not answering the question posed in the OP, because I reject the assumption. My point was that Coby has value. So you trade Coby for better quality and higher salary. I don't think Coby is a starter on a great team (he would be an elite scorer off the bench) but I still recognize the value of his current contract. You add other players to make the salary work. So you end up with a better player while shedding a couple of guys you don't want on the roster anyway. As you said, "everyone else is expiring" and are incidental for a team who wants Coby and also wants to shed some salary after this season.

If I answered the specific question it would be a simple answer. Sign Tre (likely better than anyone you take with the pick).

Fair enough. Though it's hard for me to wrap my head around your presumption that we can get a better player than Coby with Coby being the best piece going out while you're rejecting the very real plausible scenario that we simply can't find a trade that AK (or you or I) like.

Tre or another MLE signing would almost certainly be better than #45, but on a longer contract that compromises our flexibility the next few offseasons.

Again, I will reference my original quote. "Barring a trade, you're screwed". I am not presuming anything. I am hoping. If there is no trade to be found for any of these guys you simply have to ride them another season, and whether or not you give a roster spot to Tre or to the 45th pick really doesn't matter much. The problem with that is that unless someone is looking for expirings at the trade deadline just to shed salary you are going to have nothing but middling money to move forward with. (That assumes you signed Giddey and Coby to big contracts). Good luck luring a big free agent to play with a core of Giddey, Matas and White. Essentially, you are starting your rebuild/tank/youth movement/window (whatever you want to call it) over with Giddey and Matas. Enjoy the next 5 seasons of "rebuilding".

We could have huge cap space even after paying Giddey plenty, especially cause I think Coby's cap hold won't be much next summer.

I get the opinion that barring a trade we're screwed, it's definitely a fair perspective, but we still have to make decisions even if we're screwed, and we often discuss those decisions here lol.

[meekrab]

Just cut out buy out the useless people.

Carter, Terry, Huerter, Vuc, and/or Collins.

Huerter useless?? Come on dude..

Lets hope Carter doesnt pick his player option and we will have another roster spot.

Would Carter even get a minimum contract in this year's free agency market? He's going to be back.

[sco]

Just cut out buy out the useless people.

Carter, Terry, Huerter, Vuc, and/or Collins.

Huerter useless?? Come on dude..

Lets hope Carter doesnt pick his player option and we will have another roster spot.

Would Carter even get a minimum contract in this year's free agency market? He's going to be back.

If Carter could get a minimum contract, maybe there's a win-win discounted (by vet min) buyout where he gets a chance to play somewhere.

[Stratmaster]

Fair enough. Though it's hard for me to wrap my head around your presumption that we can get a better player than Coby with Coby being the best piece going out while you're rejecting the very real plausible scenario that we simply can't find a trade that AK (or you or I) like.

Tre or another MLE signing would almost certainly be better than #45, but on a longer contract that compromises our flexibility the next few offseasons.

Again, I will reference my original quote. "Barring a trade, you're screwed". I am not presuming anything. I am hoping. If there is no trade to be found for any of these guys you simply have to ride them another season, and whether or not you give a roster spot to Tre or to the 45th pick really doesn't matter much. The problem with that is that unless someone is looking for expirings at the trade deadline just to shed salary you are going to have nothing but middling money to move forward with. (That assumes you signed Giddey and Coby to big contracts). Good luck luring a big free agent to play with a core of Giddey, Matas and White. Essentially, you are starting your rebuild/tank/youth movement/window (whatever you want to call it) over with Giddey and Matas. Enjoy the next 5 seasons of "rebuilding".

We could have huge cap space even after paying Giddey plenty, especially cause I think Coby's cap hold won't be much next summer.

I get the opinion that barring a trade we're screwed, it's definitely a fair perspective, but we still have to make decisions even if we're screwed, and we often discuss those decisions here lol.

I hope I didn't give the impression that I don't think you should be discussing it. I'm just stating my view.

[BullsSD]

Obviously keep 45. Tre is awesome, but not apart of the future. #45 COULD be a part of the future. Think 5 years down the road, not next year.