Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[Bornstellar]

Remember when Giannis pretended to leave the Bucks so that Bucks picks were more valuable for the Jrue trade. After trade was done he signed up for the super max.

Not expecting the same thing here but worth remembering. Bucks actually in a good position be a bit active this offseason.

Yeah but that was before they were in cap hell because of the 2nd apron and wasted their last bit of assets to go after Lillard and dump Middleton. They can't aggregate players and have 60M in dead cap next season. They have no real assets that anyone wants besides Giannis. They don't have a first round pick this year either. There is no way they can be considered to be go in a good position

[Blame Rasho]

Remember when Giannis pretended to leave the Bucks so that Bucks picks were more valuable for the Jrue trade. After trade was done he signed up for the super max.

Not expecting the same thing here but worth remembering. Bucks actually in a good position be a bit active this offseason.

Yeah but that was before they were in cap hell because of the 2nd apron and wasted their last bit of assets to go after Lillard and dump Middleton. They can't aggregate players and have 60M in dead cap next season. They have no real assets that anyone wants besides Giannis. They don't have a first round pick this year either. There is no way they can be considered to be go in a good position

Pro tip, if you ignore reality, everything will be okay and can be fixed with that perspective. It is a birds aren’t real mindset.

[druggas]

Luka with the lob to Giannis. It's over!

[bbms]

Looks like we'll find out soon enough if Giannis wants out or not.

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despite some fans in denial there's a legit chance bucks fo is interested in dealing him too.

[Black Jack]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

[Kent]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

Not sure you can say that the FO is bad if it netted a championship.

The move to get Dame at least presented a "if everything goes right" opportunity.

Granted, even if Dame were healthy doing into this off-season, it wouldn't be an ideal situation.

There are no guarantees in sports. Well, besides the contacts.

[Black Jack]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

Not sure you can say that the FO is bad if it netted a championship.

The move to get Dame at least presented a "if everything goes right" opportunity.

Granted, even if Dame were healthy doing into this off-season, it wouldn't be an ideal situation.

There are no guarantees in sports. Well, besides the contacts.

I like Dame but they misplayed it. At a minimum you have to not make Jrue available to your rival.

Also, the bad moves predated the Dame desperation play. Giannis had a crazy peak and Jrue and Middleton were good pieces so yeah they won a chip. But the goal once you identify you have a superstar is to get a long term roster around him that can stay in contention. Lots of small market teams misplay it like Cavs first time with LeBron.

But sure they got a ring so mission accomplished in that regard.

I also think Giannis should have focused on the PnR with Dame.

[Domz]

FWIW, this may be something or much ado about nothing...

Giannis to the Knicks or Nets confirmed? I kid, I kid.....

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[Kent]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

Not sure you can say that the FO is bad if it netted a championship.

The move to get Dame at least presented a "if everything goes right" opportunity.

Granted, even if Dame were healthy doing into this off-season, it wouldn't be an ideal situation.

There are no guarantees in sports. Well, besides the contacts.

I like Dame but they misplayed it. At a minimum you have to not make Jrue available to your rival.

Also, the bad moves predated the Dame desperation play. Giannis had a crazy peak and Jrue and Middleton were good pieces so yeah they won a chip. But the goal once you identify you have a superstar is to get a long term roster around him that can stay in contention. Lots of small market teams misplay it like Cavs first time with LeBron.

But sure they got a ring so mission accomplished in that regard.

I also think Giannis should have focused on the PnR with Dame.

Yeah, it was a huge gamble and risky move. Ultimately it didn't work out.

I agree that it would've been best to put a more sustainable cast around Giannis, even if it meant growing pains.

Also remember that the Bucks moved Holiday to the Blazers, and days later Portland moved him to Boston. So the Bucks didn't ship Jrue to the Celtics themselves.

[G R E Y]

FWIW, this may be something or much ado about nothing...

Giannis to the Knicks or Nets confirmed? I kid, I kid.....

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Oh yeah well, I'm just going to go ahead and read way too much into this then!

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[levon]

FWIW, this may be something or much ado about nothing...

Giannis to the Knicks or Nets confirmed? I kid, I kid.....

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He's moving to the Atlantic division so he can maximize his NY road games

[levon]

FWIW, this may be something or much ado about nothing...

Giannis to the Knicks or Nets confirmed? I kid, I kid.....

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Oh yeah well, I'm just going to go ahead and read way too much into this then!

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He's moving to the Mexican league

[Black Jack]

Not sure you can say that the FO is bad if it netted a championship.

The move to get Dame at least presented a "if everything goes right" opportunity.

Granted, even if Dame were healthy doing into this off-season, it wouldn't be an ideal situation.

There are no guarantees in sports. Well, besides the contacts.

I like Dame but they misplayed it. At a minimum you have to not make Jrue available to your rival.

Also, the bad moves predated the Dame desperation play. Giannis had a crazy peak and Jrue and Middleton were good pieces so yeah they won a chip. But the goal once you identify you have a superstar is to get a long term roster around him that can stay in contention. Lots of small market teams misplay it like Cavs first time with LeBron.

But sure they got a ring so mission accomplished in that regard.

I also think Giannis should have focused on the PnR with Dame.

Yeah, it was a huge gamble and risky move. Ultimately it didn't work out.

I agree that it would've been best to put a more sustainable cast around Giannis, even if it meant growing pains.

Also remember that the Bucks moved Holiday to the Blazers, and days later Portland moved him to Boston. So the Bucks didn't ship Jrue to the Celtics themselves.

I think the Bucks misjudged what Jrue had in the tank a bit, also him being basically #4 on Celtics really highlighted his strengths vs having to be looked at to create offense as basically #2 or #3 on the Bucks. My point though was don't trade a winning championship player like that to a bad franchise Portland because he's subject to come back to a rival. A 3 way trade to a team that wanted him would have been better. Anyway just a minor consideration at this point.

About the sustainable cast, I think teams when they get a guy like Giannis should start thinking really long term. I remember all the desperate moves the Cavs made during LeBron's first run. You should just consider the timeline given rookie contract, and outright tell the guy, we're focused on creating a roster that lasts for years for you so we might get worse initially. I think small market teams are too afraid of superstars sometimes.

[Dan Z]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

Not sure you can say that the FO is bad if it netted a championship.

The move to get Dame at least presented a "if everything goes right" opportunity.

Granted, even if Dame were healthy doing into this off-season, it wouldn't be an ideal situation.

There are no guarantees in sports. Well, besides the contacts.

I like Dame but they misplayed it. At a minimum you have to not make Jrue available to your rival.

Also, the bad moves predated the Dame desperation play. Giannis had a crazy peak and Jrue and Middleton were good pieces so yeah they won a chip. But the goal once you identify you have a superstar is to get a long term roster around him that can stay in contention. Lots of small market teams misplay it like Cavs first time with LeBron.

But sure they got a ring so mission accomplished in that regard.

I also think Giannis should have focused on the PnR with Dame.

Khris Middleton's injury and decline is one thing that really hurt them (no pun intended). If he was the same player he was a few years ago, with natural decline, then the Bucks would be different this year and going forward.

Having said that, I agree with you about Lillard, but that's because I don't think they should've used their remaining assets to go after a 33 year old who had started to show that his health might not be what it once was.

[vxmike]

Remember when Giannis pretended to leave the Bucks so that Bucks picks were more valuable for the Jrue trade. After trade was done he signed up for the super max.

Not expecting the same thing here but worth remembering. Bucks actually in a good position be a bit active this offseason.

Yeah but that was before they were in cap hell because of the 2nd apron and wasted their last bit of assets to go after Lillard and dump Middleton. They can't aggregate players and have 60M in dead cap next season. They have no real assets that anyone wants besides Giannis. They don't have a first round pick this year either. There is no way they can be considered to be go in a good position

Outside of Giannis the Bucks have the worst roster and least trade assets in the league. It’s a total wasteland.

[NO-KG-AI]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

They are checkmater because they made the moves and traded all their picks for the guys Giannis wanted.

[Dan Z]

Remember when Giannis pretended to leave the Bucks so that Bucks picks were more valuable for the Jrue trade. After trade was done he signed up for the super max.

Not expecting the same thing here but worth remembering. Bucks actually in a good position be a bit active this offseason.

Yeah but that was before they were in cap hell because of the 2nd apron and wasted their last bit of assets to go after Lillard and dump Middleton. They can't aggregate players and have 60M in dead cap next season. They have no real assets that anyone wants besides Giannis. They don't have a first round pick this year either. There is no way they can be considered to be go in a good position

Outside of Giannis the Bucks have the worst roster and least trade assets in the league. It’s a total wasteland.

That's why a Giannis trade needs to result in the team having a glimmer of hope going forward. Otherwise they might as well just continue with what they have.

It''s also why I think New Orleans should be involved in any trade they do, so they can get the 2026 (swap) and 2027 pick back as part of the deal.

[Black Jack]

It's sad seeing an ATG checkmated to leave his draft franchise because of a bad FO.

they should have listened to us crazies online!

They are checkmater because they made the moves and traded all their picks for the guys Giannis wanted.

Yeah that's another thing, don't let your superstar dictate personnel moves. For instance MJ hated the Oakley for Cartwright trade which was a winner.

[jokeboy86]

FWIW, this may be something or much ado about nothing...

Giannis to the Knicks or Nets confirmed? I kid, I kid.....

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The tweet that caught my eye is when asked what city outside his hometown is he happiest, and he said Florida cities. I don’t think it’ll happen this offseason but it wouldn’t surprise me when this contract is up if Giannis ends up in Miami. Imo Riley is gearing up and will get his ducts in a row to make a hard push for a big star depending on the upcoming FA classes. Since Mourning got there in the 90s, Miami always ends up with a top 10 league player eventually. Plus with the way their organization is run(Heat culture)that would be something that I could see Giannis really impressed by.

[akula1488]

Towns plus whatever for Giannis. His best fit is NYK.
OKC/HOU/SA are automatically out because they are in the West. Only NYK makes the biggest sense for him; in playoff contention every year, the biggest market