Crazy enough to work 4-teamer?

[nolaPELSfan]

Celtics: Giannis, Gafford, Naji, Christie, Hardy, Connaughton, Kuzma, Mavs 26 1st

Mavs: Jrue, Tillman, Walsh

Raps: Dame, Porzingis, Celtics 26 1st

Bucks: Jalen Brown, Quickley, Barrett, Poeltl, Dick, J.D. Davidson, Celtics #28ovr, Raps 26 1st top5 pro-tec, Celtics 31 1st


Celts re-tool(heh) with Giannis(!) to carry while Tatums out and team up later, and a bunch of their type of role players, + Kuzma. Giannis gets his high profile org. Celtics get a better top2.

Mavs get Jrue to help go on a run next year.

Raps get some star power. when healthy Dame/Agbaji/B.I./Scottie/Porzingis is at least worth a run for funsies and better than what they had.

Bucks get some pretty good stuff to go with Jalen Brown, who is likely as good as a top player returned as could be expected.


But who says no? My pels need a blowup and probably do nothing, so i'm scheming on all you Easternies

[Godaddycurse]

this is so bad for Milwaukee, Dallas and Toronto its not salvageable.

[JRoy]

BOS dumps huge money and gets a top 5 player, MIL gets a crazy overpaid 2nd banana and assorted meh to try to make it up in quantity.

TOR genuflects and eats a ton of money on injured and/or old players.

Anyone else?

[Godaddycurse]

OP is also illegal for Boston as they remain over 2nd apron after this trade. I'd say its lock worthy at this point

[nolaPELSfan]

It wasn't intended as an all-encompassing off season plan, but the money does work out about evenly, so since Boston was above they still are. Im not a good one to ask about a work around, but im sure theres got to be something to simply get under by other means and then do an aggregating trade. Maybe its just me, but i don't think trading JB, Jrue, multiple 1sts, and role players as dumping salary. I get the point with Porzingis do to age and injuries.

Mavs certainly don't need to do all that, but theyre a unique case, i mean they have AD Kyrie and Flagg, why not shore it up to contender status imo.

Toronto takes a risk here, but not really; just 1 protected pick and pieces but none with stars in their future or anything. And just personally i can't think of a lot they could do, and i wonder if Ujiri needs to do something to save his behind, and idk if players are really trying to get there or not. theyre like the Pels and Memphis, if they run it back theyre just pretending, and buckle up bc i guess their jobs are safe, you know? but i digress.

Bucks can field a team after this! Did you know they didn't have one? Right, well they have Giannis, but he gon, so no. Seriously they don't own their picks either! I know right? So yall want them to be the worst team in the league? ok, well, ok. Or you prefer Segun and rockets trash, go for it. But thats a hell of a return idc. Or just be the rockets light, whatever floats it.

But sure just lock it up. this is just hypothetical fun anyways. my 1st post here. thanks guys. good day

[JayMKE]

Bucks obviously aren’t trading Giannis for this, this takes them no where and they’re not a playoff team. The picks suck mostly, Brown is going to do what in Milwaukee exactly being on an awful team with no way to improve? Same diff letting Giannis walk, I fine leveraging the supermax and trying to make a move next offseason to appease Giannis if can’t this offseason. He’ll have to walk away from over $100M, it’s a better gamble than any trade I’ve seen on here.

Also I would never trade Giannis to Boston out of principle, would rather he walk to Lakers than do that

[brackdan70]

Bucks can do better if they trade Giannis, Mavs should not be giving a first.

[nolaPELSfan]

Same diff letting Giannis walk, I fine leveraging the supermax and trying to make a move next offseason to appease Giannis if can’t this offseason. He’ll have to walk away from over $100M, it’s a better gamble than any trade I’ve seen on here.

Also I would never trade Giannis to Boston out of principle, would rather he walk to Lakers than do that

Are you essentially calling his bluff that he's unlikely to leave before he gets it? I could see that, definitely. But is there any chance he would sit out or demand a trade next year? Because he might have his heart set on one specific location by then and regain the leverage. I think now is the time he can be sold on somewhere, and that is the exact type of situation he can be sold on imo. Or he could be "committed to stay" but with a no trade clause or something, playing GM for fun but still plotting out; thats terrifying. He's going to want out, they arent going to win imo. I don't see how getting less or nothing out of principle helps and i also hate the franchise altering unknowns like that more than i hate that return. Not saying there couldn't be plenty better returns though, sure.

[Scoot McGroot]

Toronto takes a risk here, but not really; just 1 protected pick and pieces but none with stars in their future or anything. And just personally i can't think of a lot they could do, and i wonder if Ujiri needs to do something to save his behind, and idk if players are really trying to get there or not. theyre like the Pels and Memphis, if they run it back theyre just pretending, and buckle up bc i guess their jobs are safe, you know? but i digress.

I mean, Toronto isn't getting any star players back either. Porzingis might play like a star a few nights a year, but his health won't allow that consistently. And Dame won't even play much at all of next year, and then he'll be under contract for 1 year. This makes absolutely no sense for Toronto here.

Bucks can field a team after this! Did you know they didn't have one? Right, well they have Giannis, but he gon, so no. Seriously they don't own their picks either! I know right? So yall want them to be the worst team in the league? ok, well, ok. Or you prefer Segun and rockets trash, go for it. But thats a hell of a return idc. Or just be the rockets light, whatever floats it.

Milwaukee should take the best offer they can. This isn't it.

But sure just lock it up. this is just hypothetical fun anyways. my 1st post here. thanks guys. good day

Welcome around. However, if you post here, you should expect honest responses. Posters here aren't being mean or evil, but pointing out some pretty clear flaws. If you can't take the discussion, maybe read more going forward until you start to figure it out? But this isn't a great proposal, and it's not even legal, or even close to legal. Take some tips, rework it, look at it honestly from each team's perspective, and then come back and repost a new alteration?

[jayjaysee]

It looks really rough for a couple teams.

I had tried to play with Jaylen to Milwaukee, but even if they match with Kuz, Portis, Connaughton (and figure out the rest of matching..) and add their distant first and swap.. It’s not enough..

[nolaPELSfan]

Welcome around. However, if you post here, you should expect honest responses. Posters here aren't being mean or evil, but pointing out some pretty clear flaws. If you can't take the discussion, maybe read more going forward until you start to figure it out? But this isn't a great proposal, and it's not even legal, or even close to legal. Take some tips, rework it, look at it honestly from each team's perspective, and then come back and repost a new alteration?

Genuinely, thanks. I do expect and want (and have recevieved) honest feedback, and i am discussing. It may not be the best trade or maybe yall are better at this, but i tried to think from each sides perspective. I want to hear why i got it wrong, and rework it. But no one is giving tips lol or pointing out the flaws. Yall are on a high horse a little bit with all this illegal this and that, give me a break please, assuming idk that. Why are you assuming it has to all literally be done in 1 trade? Just trade Kuzma and a fake pick J.D. Davidson firstly from the same trade to get under or something. I usually don't need or care for all the specifics like that, i'd rather think overarching, but if yall really do maybe yall can think a little more creatively around what was posted instead of jumping to "This guy doesn't even know how illegal it is and it needs to be locked"

[JayMKE]

Same diff letting Giannis walk, I fine leveraging the supermax and trying to make a move next offseason to appease Giannis if can’t this offseason. He’ll have to walk away from over $100M, it’s a better gamble than any trade I’ve seen on here.

Also I would never trade Giannis to Boston out of principle, would rather he walk to Lakers than do that

Are you essentially calling his bluff that he's unlikely to leave before he gets it? I could see that, definitely. But is there any chance he would sit out or demand a trade next year? Because he might have his heart set on one specific location by then and regain the leverage. I think now is the time he can be sold on somewhere, and that is the exact type of situation he can be sold on imo. Or he could be "committed to stay" but with a no trade clause or something, playing GM for fun but still plotting out; thats terrifying. He's going to want out, they arent going to win imo. I don't see how getting less or nothing out of principle helps and i also hate the franchise altering unknowns like that more than i hate that return. Not saying there couldn't be plenty better returns though, sure.

I’d be SHOCKED if Giannis tried to force his way out, I don’t think he’s that type of guy and the issue is purely a basketball one not because the franchise or city hasn’t treated him well. The Bucks have tried everything possible to win, there has been some decisions that haven’t worked out but more than anything the issue every year since the championship has been injuries to Giannis or Khris or Dame. I think the Bucks would be in good position to win the free agency pitch given they can offer far more money than anybody and his long history here, Dame will be back next season and there will be more flexibility to make a splashy move.

One thing I’ve noticed is that every team that they try to sell as a Giannis destination is not a place he’d ever sign as a free agent. If he doesn’t stay in Milwaukee then I think he’d want to go to LA, NYC, Golden State, maybe Miami, like literally every other star athlete in the world.

[Scoot McGroot]

Welcome around. However, if you post here, you should expect honest responses. Posters here aren't being mean or evil, but pointing out some pretty clear flaws. If you can't take the discussion, maybe read more going forward until you start to figure it out? But this isn't a great proposal, and it's not even legal, or even close to legal. Take some tips, rework it, look at it honestly from each team's perspective, and then come back and repost a new alteration?

Genuinely, thanks. I do expect and want (and have recevieved) honest feedback, and i am discussing. It may not be the best trade or maybe yall are better at this, but i tried to think from each sides perspective. I want to hear why i got it wrong, and rework it. But no one is giving tips lol or pointing out the flaws.

I think some have posted small tips and discussions, but generally, if posters can't understand the goals, or see what you're trying to do, or disagree with just the team goals, then it gets really hard to try and offer tips, though many have tried.

Yall are on a high horse a little bit with all this illegal this and that, give me a break please, assuming idk that. Why are you assuming it has to all literally be done in 1 trade?

Not a high horse. Just pointing it out. There's not much to discuss if a trade just can't be made legal. And you're correct, it doesn't have to literally all be done in 1 trade, but it has to be done immediately, and be done before a trade like this that enacts hard caps would be completed. You can't enact a hardcap and then get under later. You have to already be under.

Just trade Kuzma and a fake pick J.D. Davidson firstly from the same trade to get under or something.

Ok. To whom? Kuzma makes more than the MLE, so there's a limited market. Only Brooklyn has that cap space and they really don't need him. And that would require assets like picks in this trade to be redirected to Brooklyn that already aren't enough to make this type of deal make sense for Milwaukee, Boston, etc.

I usually don't need or care for all the specifics like that, i'd rather think overarching, but if yall really do maybe yall can think a little more creatively around what was posted instead of jumping to "This guy doesn't even know how illegal it is and it needs to be locked"

I mean, specifics matter. If the specifics can't be made legal, there's simply nothing to discuss. That's the hard part. We can come up with big ideas, but if they can't ever be done, there's nothing to discuss.


My big suggestion? Start much smaller. Figure out core needs from different teams. I'm definitely not seeing why Toronto would be involved here. I don't see how they gain value from paying a lot of really good vets and even picks to pay Dame to sit next year, and rehab the following year?

[facothomas22]

A Giannis/2nd pick in this year's draft straight up or Giannis/Evan Mobley straight up, is enough to outbid this Celtics offer for Giannis, let alone with additional assets attached to those very valuable assets. The asset quality in this trade simply isn't there for the Bucks to move on from Giannis.

[nolaPELSfan]

Ok. To whom? Kuzma makes more than the MLE, so there's a limited market. Only Brooklyn has that cap space and they really don't need him. And that would require assets like picks in this trade to be redirected to Brooklyn that already aren't enough to make this type of deal make sense for Milwaukee, Boston, etc.
My big suggestion? Start much smaller. Figure out core needs from different teams. I'm definitely not seeing why Toronto would be involved here.

Ok i appreciate it, how about this smaller scale trade, and you tell me if you think Brooklyn would even consider it. Could serve as a preliminary trade for a bigger Boston or Milwaukee trade down the line too. Here it goes

Bucks: Nic Claxton

Nets: Kuzma, Porzingis, #28ovr, 27 MIL 1st, 27 BOS1st

Mavs: Jrue Holiday, Jordan Walsh

Celtics: Gafford, PJ, Hardy, 30 PHI 2nd rounder (does this need a 1st instead?)

[JRoy]

Too much for Claxton. That MIL pick might be sweet.

[nolaPELSfan]

I’d be SHOCKED if Giannis tried to force... the issue is purely a basketball one.. I think the Bucks would be in good position to win the free agency pitch given they can offer far more money than anybody and his long history here, Dame will be back next season and there will be more flexibility to make a splashy move.

Yes if this is true then there are a lot of good avenues to getting back on track. I just thought they may have been on worse footing, or didn't know really. The Pels do have their picks and could be invested in their being bad, but im really rooting for Giannis to stay in that case. I hate seeing and all-timer foreverteamer leave. And i think we'll work on getting MIL those swaps back, why not? they won't convey anyway haha.

One thing I’ve noticed is that every team that they try to sell as a Giannis destination is not a place he’d ever sign as a free agent. If he doesn’t stay in Milwaukee then I think he’d want to go to LA, NYC, Golden State, maybe Miami, like literally every other star athlete in the world.

Yeah thats my bad on that, and thats a great, if obvious, take.

[nolaPELSfan]

Too much for Claxton. That MIL pick might be sweet.

The Pels actually own swap rights with that pick

[Godaddycurse]

Ok. To whom? Kuzma makes more than the MLE, so there's a limited market. Only Brooklyn has that cap space and they really don't need him. And that would require assets like picks in this trade to be redirected to Brooklyn that already aren't enough to make this type of deal make sense for Milwaukee, Boston, etc.
My big suggestion? Start much smaller. Figure out core needs from different teams. I'm definitely not seeing why Toronto would be involved here.

Ok i appreciate it, how about this smaller scale trade, and you tell me if you think Brooklyn would even consider it. Could serve as a preliminary trade for a bigger Boston or Milwaukee trade down the line too. Here it goes

Bucks: Nic Claxton

Nets: Kuzma, Porzingis, #28ovr, 27 MIL 1st, 27 BOS1st

Mavs: Jrue Holiday, Jordan Walsh

Celtics: Gafford, PJ, Hardy, 30 PHI 2nd rounder (does this need a 1st instead?)

Bucks dont own their 2027 1st. Atlanta gets worse of 2027 NOP/MIL 1st, NOP gets better of 2027 NOP/MIL 1st

[nolaPELSfan]

Bucks dont own their 2027 1st. Atlanta gets worse of 2027 NOP/MIL 1st, NOP gets better of 2027 NOP/MIL 1st

Snap. Good call thanks