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Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Ccwatercraft wrote:Dez wrote:Ccwatercraft wrote:
I can't envision George returning to previous form, but I'll admit I maybe watched 3 of his games all year so maybe he just occasionally looks washed up. I'd still love to maybe trade future picks to teams like bklyn, okc for current picks. We need a couple cracks at it this draft if possible and some way to empty a roster spot or two.
Carter is the obvious choice, he needs to be filler in any deal we make. Or just waive waive/stretch if anybody with size comes along.
We keep throwing vuc out there for trades but smith/Collins isn't sexy. Maybe it's OK if we draft a C.
It's more about getting the pick.
It's 155 million for a pick.
If he's not 75-80% of young PG that's an overpay and ain't gonna happen, it destroys our flexibility until 2029. Hard no from me, and Insanely loud hard no fron ownership.
It would be an easy yes for me.
We would have the 3rd and 12th pick to jumpstart a rebuild, alongside Giddey, Matas, and White. That's a solid foundation. George's corpse is a massive upgrade over Patrick Williams' corpse. Not having flexibility until 2029 isn't a big deal. We're not a destination at the moment and our 3rd and 12th pick would be on team friendly long-term deals. The biggest things to figure out would be Coby and Ayo since they're soon to be expiring.
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HomoSapien wrote:Ccwatercraft wrote:Dez wrote:
It's more about getting the pick.
It's 155 million for a pick.
If he's not 75-80% of young PG that's an overpay and ain't gonna happen, it destroys our flexibility until 2029. Hard no from me, and Insanely loud hard no fron ownership.
It would be an easy yes for me.
We would have the 3rd and 12th pick to jumpstart a rebuild, alongside Giddey, Matas, and White. That's a solid foundation. George's corpse is a massive upgrade over Patrick Williams' corpse. Not having flexibility until 2029 isn't a big deal. We're not a destination at the moment and our 3rd and 12th pick would be on team friendly long-term deals. The biggest things to figure out would be Coby and Ayo since they're soon to be expiring.
I'd draft VJ and dump Coby for optimistically 2 firsts. Unless someone offered a first for Ayo, I'd keep him to provide transition for VJ.

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VJ Edgecombe would have to almost immediately be a top 10-15 player in the league for this deal to be worth it. VJ at 3 plus PG13 is like $60+ mill/yr for the next three years. By the time George's contract is over, we'll have had to extend Matas and VJ will have one cheap year left.
Say VJ is ROY Stephen Castle or Brandon Ingram/Scottie Barnes level for instance. Given PG13's health and probable decline, I'm sure you could get more talent for the next three years than Ingram and current/declining PG13 combined with $60+ mill to spend. That's not including any draft assets we'd ose in the trade.
Say VJ is ROY Stephen Castle or Brandon Ingram/Scottie Barnes level for instance. Given PG13's health and probable decline, I'm sure you could get more talent for the next three years than Ingram and current/declining PG13 combined with $60+ mill to spend. That's not including any draft assets we'd ose in the trade.
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mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Why are we bailing Boston out? They’re deeply over the 2nd apron desperately need cap relief to open up their trade flexibility. They might have to spend a pick just to dump Jrue’s long term salary.
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MrSparkle wrote:mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Why are we bailing Boston out? They’re deeply over the 2nd apron desperately need cap relief to open up their trade flexibility. They might have to spend a pick just to dump Jrue’s long term salary.
This right here. We're a playoff team short term with that trade pending a healthy Porzingas, but Porzingas expires and we're left with 36 yr old Jrue on his contract for White, expirings and multiple draft picks. Jrue would be a great fit, but doesn't fit our timetable at all. Most stats last year are his lowest since he was with the Pelicans, and not likely to get better.
We'd be better trading those guys for expirings and picks, or simply letting them expire, plus we keep our picks.
Jrue is old and Porzingas is expiring and can't play 60 games. Great players, but no thanks.
Including its first-round pick, Boston will enter the offseason with $231 million in salary and a $263 million tax penalty. For every $3 million spent on a player, it will cost them $25 million in additional tax penalties. They are $22 million over the second apron.
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mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Hell no.
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mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Horrible..just horrible,big No thanx
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WindyCityBorn wrote:mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Hell no.
Picks are going the wrong way on this. Boston is going to need to give another team picks to take on two of the worst contracts in the league.
Even as an expiring, Porzingis is still a huge $30M of dead cap space you don't get to use for a full season. Jrue is a nightmare scenario like Bradley Beal, but Beal is actually somewhat productive.
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a lineup of
Porzingas
Beal
George
Lillard
Steven Adams
would have been killer 10 years ago, today 2 of them could score 30 points on a given night while the other three nursed minor injuries 25 games during the season. Give up the love affair with what players were in their prime and move on to guys who haven't peaked and might develop and gel into a cohesive unit that doesn't continually scramble for the play in but has a playoff run
Porzingas
Beal
George
Lillard
Steven Adams
would have been killer 10 years ago, today 2 of them could score 30 points on a given night while the other three nursed minor injuries 25 games during the season. Give up the love affair with what players were in their prime and move on to guys who haven't peaked and might develop and gel into a cohesive unit that doesn't continually scramble for the play in but has a playoff run
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mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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The Bulls trade Coby White to the Magic for Jett Howard, Gary Harris, 16, and 25.
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one player for 4 so tell me who the cheap Bulls' ownership buy out. No you don't get to say make more trades, you're here you make those other deals if it's that easy
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Rose2Boozer wrote:The Bulls trade Coby White to the Magic for Jett Howard, Gary Harris, 16, and 25.
Don't know if the Magic would give up this much for Coby, but I'd take it. Wouldn't worry about the roster spots right now, they have a lot of time before they have to cut down to 15. 13 players under contract including White and Giddey. Howard replaces White, Harris adds 1 more (14) and I use 12, 16, and 25 to try to move up to a top 6 pick. 15 players. That's if Carter accepts his option and we don't do any two or three for one trades this offseason.
Or 12, 25 and a player (Howard, Ayo, Philips, Terry, Carter, Collins) to move up and draft at say 6 and 16.
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I would like the Bulls to trade Coby and Ayo to a contender for whatever. Good players should have an opportunity to win.
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More I look at both teams, getting less opposed to taking on George's contract to get pick 3. The only way I'd do it is we keep pick 12 and Pat Will is included in the deal. So Coby, Williams, and either Vuc or Collins. Maybe throw in Portland 1st. They get players who can play now, and great insurance for the many games Embid can't/won't play. Could reduce his average minutes to 30 mins/gm. Coby's likely to score more than any rookie this year. Pat Will gives them a much cheaper, younger replacement for George (of course, not nearly as good). They're not that far over the cap, Vuc and White expiring gives them way more flexibility in the summer. They'd have way better depth to go with Embid and Maxey.
For us, taking on PG13 contract limits our moves for 3 years, but grabbing two rookies in this class (one at pick 3) makes it worth it. Adding Pat to the deal means we take on an extra $30+ mill long term instead of 50+. With Giddey at $30 mill, PG13 at $50mill, we probably have an additional $40 mill including the rookies and players still under contract (Ball, Matas, Smith, Phillips), we should still be able to add a $15-$25 mill starter.
Roster would be Giddey, Pick 3, George, Matas, Smith, Ball, pick 12, 2026 pick, Phillips with some cap space summer 2026. Bird rights on Ayo, and maybe Huerter if we want to bring them back. Hopefully pick 12 or 2026 1st is a good/great SF/PF to replace George when he's out.
For us, taking on PG13 contract limits our moves for 3 years, but grabbing two rookies in this class (one at pick 3) makes it worth it. Adding Pat to the deal means we take on an extra $30+ mill long term instead of 50+. With Giddey at $30 mill, PG13 at $50mill, we probably have an additional $40 mill including the rookies and players still under contract (Ball, Matas, Smith, Phillips), we should still be able to add a $15-$25 mill starter.
Roster would be Giddey, Pick 3, George, Matas, Smith, Ball, pick 12, 2026 pick, Phillips with some cap space summer 2026. Bird rights on Ayo, and maybe Huerter if we want to bring them back. Hopefully pick 12 or 2026 1st is a good/great SF/PF to replace George when he's out.
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Who says no?
Milwaukee trades Giannis
Milwaukee receives: Reed, Sengun, Portland pick, 2025 phx pick, 2027 phoenix pick, 2029 Rockets pick, Carter (salary purposes), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls.
Bulls trade: Portland pick, Ball, Carter (or Terry), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls
Bulls receive Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore
Rockets trade Sengun, Smith, phx 2025 (#10), phx 2027, 2029 Rockets pick, Cam Whitmore, Reed
Rockets receive Giannis, Ball
Milwaukee gets 4 first round picks, 2 seconds and q young center and guard to build around.
Rockets get Giannis and a backup guard who can play either spot and credibly shoot 3s. They also keep both their valuable wings - Green and Thompson as well as FVV, Eason and Brooks. They have a win now roster with room to grow. Plus their own picks too.
Bulls get a promising power forward prospect and a wing scorer for Ball, a first round pick, and some seconds.
Milwaukee trades Giannis
Milwaukee receives: Reed, Sengun, Portland pick, 2025 phx pick, 2027 phoenix pick, 2029 Rockets pick, Carter (salary purposes), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls.
Bulls trade: Portland pick, Ball, Carter (or Terry), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls
Bulls receive Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore
Rockets trade Sengun, Smith, phx 2025 (#10), phx 2027, 2029 Rockets pick, Cam Whitmore, Reed
Rockets receive Giannis, Ball
Milwaukee gets 4 first round picks, 2 seconds and q young center and guard to build around.
Rockets get Giannis and a backup guard who can play either spot and credibly shoot 3s. They also keep both their valuable wings - Green and Thompson as well as FVV, Eason and Brooks. They have a win now roster with room to grow. Plus their own picks too.
Bulls get a promising power forward prospect and a wing scorer for Ball, a first round pick, and some seconds.
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mack2354 wrote:Boston - Jrue Holiday & Porzingas
Chicago - Vuc, Huerter, Coby White, Portland Pick and a 2027 1st Round Pick Swap
Boston saves 11 million this year in salary cap (not sure about luxury tax) and all 3 guys contracts expire at the end of next season. Boston gets some pretty meh draft capital but get 3 guys who started for us at the end of the season that should be able to keep them a playoff team next season while Tatum is out.
Chicago adds long term money with Jrue Holiday but Holiday's defense and championship pedigree is a better fit with Giddey. Porzingas is a way better rim protector than Vuc but can still shoot which should make coach happy. Porzingas is injury prone, should be on a minute restriction and not playing back to backs which is fine with me because I feel Collins/Smith are both worthy of rotation minutes.
Boston will probably want more draft capital for Holiday but I think this is a decent offer that puts better fitting pieces around Giddey/Matas while saving Boston a lot of money while not tanking.
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Hell no. Why are we giving picks up in this too? Bostons gonna have to give up a FRP to move off Holiday’s contract. He’s washed. We just got rid of Zach’s contract, Jrue’s is as bad if not worse. No chance.
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burlydee wrote:Who says no?
Milwaukee trades Giannis
Milwaukee receives: Reed, Sengun, Portland pick, 2025 phx pick, 2027 phoenix pick, 2029 Rockets pick, Carter (salary purposes), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls.
Bulls trade: Portland pick, Ball, Carter (or Terry), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls
Bulls receive Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore
Rockets trade Sengun, Smith, phx 2025 (#10), phx 2027, 2029 Rockets pick, Cam Whitmore, Reed
Rockets receive Giannis, Ball
Milwaukee gets 4 first round picks, 2 seconds and q young center and guard to build around.
Rockets get Giannis and a backup guard who can play either spot and credibly shoot 3s. They also keep both their valuable wings - Green and Thompson as well as FVV, Eason and Brooks. They have a win now roster with room to grow. Plus their own picks too.
Bulls get a promising power forward prospect and a wing scorer for Ball, a first round pick, and some seconds.
I think Milwaukee would rather take the Bulls out of the deal and get Jabari/Whitmore instead of the Portland pick/2nds.
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A trade that makes sense I think for both teams.
Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.
Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.