Is the front office really going to build around Steph, Jimmy and Draymond?

[whatisacenter]

The messaging coming out of the exit interviews is that they are going to build around that core and they believe all 3 still have their "fastball".

My main concern is age and the ability to build a roster around them that will have enough 3 point shooting due to Jimmy and Draymond's inability to hit from deep.

I know some of you are going to say that if Curry didn't go down that they would still be playing but he did get injured. We have to hope that Jimmy was compromised because he made little impact in the last two games. Draymond looked old. In the postseason teams don't defend him and Minny went right at him when they had the ball.

They need to find a center, unless they go with Post/TJD, who will be OK playing during the RS and then be happy to go to the bench so Draymond can play the 5 in the playoffs. They need rim protection and 3 point shooting from this position as well.

They need to find a SG/wing who can be a POA defender who is a 3 point shooter.

They need to find a backup PG.

Steph, Jimmy and Draymond will make a combined $140M next season leaving little room to add significant players that they will need to win enough games to be a 6th seed while also load managing the core 3 so they aren't falling apart by the playoffs.

Just seems like an impossible needle to thread if you ask me.

[Jester_]

That logic doesn't make any sense. If Steph goes down we're dead regardless. Having a center and a 3&D guy isn't gonna change that.

Improve what we can, manage minutes during the season so they come into the playoffs refreshed (and hopefully with home court), and then shoot for one adrenaline-filled run.

[whatisacenter]

That logic doesn't make any sense. If Steph goes down we're dead regardless. Having a center and a 3&D guy isn't gonna change that.

Improve what we can, manage minutes during the season so they come into the playoffs refreshed (and hopefully with home court), and then shoot for one adrenaline-filled run.

They need a center and a 3&D guy WITH a healthy Curry.

[SpreeS]

Dont try to find a logic on stans forum…

[Onus]

They need to find a way to get bigger while being able to play 2 of jk, Jimmy, dray. Tall ask since they would need to shoot and if you take dray out then also rim protector.

Post really is one of the best options. Really not going to find a better shooting big man.


Like if we get Adams in free agency are we really going to be able to play Adams with Jimmy and jk? Idk I’m skeptical.

But one of the other biggest issues was shot creation. Once Steph is down or out we relied heavily on Jimmy isolations. Jimmy wasn’t able to win 1v1 against almost anyone on the wolves. Shut down by McDaniels. Didn’t get anywhere against ant, Rudy. And wasn’t really able to take advantage of ddv. He only really had success against naz. It wasn’t even really shooting to open up the floor. They pressed up on shooters and dared Jimmy to beat them 1v1 and Jimmy had nothing for them. So I’m not sure not enough shooting was even the biggest downfall to be honest. It was the lack of shot creation. It would make it even harder since teams don’t need to guard dray either. But really Steph solves a lot of those issues and that’s why he’s still a top 10 probably 5 player.

The other issue was poa defense. We had no answers for ant and relied heavily on dray playing goalie. With out dray playing goalie ant was just side stepping and euro stepping to the rim with ease. But obviously offense was the bigger issue.

The Jimmy and dray pairing causes a lot of issues in team building. They’re both undersized. They both don’t want to shoot. So you need excellent shooting around them but you also need size and a point of attack defender on top of them since neither can really be the main point of attack defender. And then Jimmy being unable or unwilling to guard bigger more physical pfs also forced dray to take those matchups which then leaves us without rim protection.

I would say if we needed to I think we could’ve kept post on the floor for spacing. Have post guard Randle or Jaden McDaniels and then help and recover on them when they set the pick and pop with ant forcing them to make shots over the top of post recovering. Probably should be McDaniels and force him to drive and go to his decel and shoot over the top of people with length but then he’d be shooting over the top of a 7’ rather than podz. But I’m not sure he would’ve been all the helpful on offense anyway since they would’ve just smothered him on offense since they didn’t need to help much on Jimmy so there was no real need to get creative on defense. Though putting post on McDaniels and forcing McDaniels to beat us instead maybe wins a game?


I’m in draft mode so I’m thinking what bigs would allow us to play 2 of Jimmy, dray, jk and I think yaxel might, and maybe raynaud. If we want to go the shot creation route Clayton and pettiford. If we want to go the 3 and d route miles Byrd, maybe drake powell, Tyrese proctor. We would need to trade up to get any of the first 4 options. I’d also think markovic could be useful but not sure he’d be quite as ready in 2 years at which point we’re rebuilding anyway.

There’s a lot of needs on the team.

Shot creation
Poa defender
2 way big
More shooting

Moody was supposed to be our poa defender.

Steph buddy and post really should give you elite shooting at those spots.

Post improving or team scheming him so he can stay on the floor is probably our biggest way to an improvement.

[ILOVEIT]

They need to find a way to get bigger while being able to play 2 of jk, Jimmy, dray. Tall ask since they would need to shoot and if you take dray out then also rim protector.

Post really is one of the best options. Really not going to find a better shooting big man.


Like if we get Adams in free agency are we really going to be able to play Adams with Jimmy and jk? Idk I’m skeptical.

But one of the other biggest issues was shot creation. Once Steph is down or out we relied heavily on Jimmy isolations. Jimmy wasn’t able to win 1v1 against almost anyone on the wolves. Shut down by McDaniels. Didn’t get anywhere against ant, Rudy. And wasn’t really able to take advantage of ddv. He only really had success against naz. It wasn’t even really shooting to open up the floor. They pressed up on shooters and dared Jimmy to beat them 1v1 and Jimmy had nothing for them. So I’m not sure not enough shooting was even the biggest downfall to be honest. It was the lack of shot creation. It would make it even harder since teams don’t need to guard dray either. But really Steph solves a lot of those issues and that’s why he’s still a top 10 probably 5 player.

The other issue was poa defense. We had no answers for ant and relied heavily on dray playing goalie. With out dray playing goalie ant was just side stepping and euro stepping to the rim with ease. But obviously offense was the bigger issue.

The Jimmy and dray pairing causes a lot of issues in team building. They’re both undersized. They both don’t want to shoot. So you need excellent shooting around them but you also need size and a point of attack defender on top of them since neither can really be the main point of attack defender. And then Jimmy being unable or unwilling to guard bigger more physical pfs also forced dray to take those matchups which then leaves us without rim protection.

I would say if we needed to I think we could’ve kept post on the floor for spacing. Have post guard Randle or Jaden McDaniels and then help and recover on them when they set the pick and pop with ant forcing them to make shots over the top of post recovering. Probably should be McDaniels and force him to drive and go to his decel and shoot over the top of people with length but then he’d be shooting over the top of a 7’ rather than podz. But I’m not sure he would’ve been all the helpful on offense anyway since they would’ve just smothered him on offense since they didn’t need to help much on Jimmy so there was no real need to get creative on defense. Though putting post on McDaniels and forcing McDaniels to beat us instead maybe wins a game?


I’m in draft mode so I’m thinking what bigs would allow us to play 2 of Jimmy, dray, jk and I think yaxel might, and maybe raynaud. If we want to go the shot creation route Clayton and pettiford. If we want to go the 3 and d route miles Byrd, maybe drake powell, Tyrese proctor. We would need to trade up to get any of the first 4 options. I’d also think markovic could be useful but not sure he’d be quite as ready in 2 years at which point we’re rebuilding anyway.

There’s a lot of needs on the team.

Shot creation
Poa defender
2 way big
More shooting

Moody was supposed to be our poa defender.

Steph buddy and post really should give you elite shooting at those spots.

Post improving or team scheming him so he can stay on the floor is probably our biggest way to an improvement.

Move JK for a more polished scorer with reliable range - Cam Johnson.
Sign Adams with a midlevel.

Podz, Curry, Jimmy, Cam, Draymond/Adams

[Jester_]

That logic doesn't make any sense. If Steph goes down we're dead regardless. Having a center and a 3&D guy isn't gonna change that.

Improve what we can, manage minutes during the season so they come into the playoffs refreshed (and hopefully with home court), and then shoot for one adrenaline-filled run.

They need a center and a 3&D guy WITH a healthy Curry.

Again, we could've won this year with a healthy Curry

[SpreeS]

That logic doesn't make any sense. If Steph goes down we're dead regardless. Having a center and a 3&D guy isn't gonna change that.

Improve what we can, manage minutes during the season so they come into the playoffs refreshed (and hopefully with home court), and then shoot for one adrenaline-filled run.

They need a center and a 3&D guy WITH a healthy Curry.

Again, we could've won this year with a healthy Curry

Dallas had won lottery with 1.8% chances, so yea we could win also if not Curry injury...

When your team is old as ****, injuries are big part of game...So a lot of old teams in NBA history could have won champioships if not injuries....

"the highest level" of logic for this forum...

We have 75years of NBA history, so which team had won a chip with 3 most important players at their ages 37/35/35? (next year will 38y/36y/36y). Ok give me a team with 3 or 2 leaders over 35y...

[Onus]

They need a center and a 3&D guy WITH a healthy Curry.

Again, we could've won this year with a healthy Curry

Dallas had won lottery with 1.8% chances, so yea we could win also if not Curry injury...

When your team is old as ****, injuries are big part of game...So a lot of old teams in NBA history could have won champioships if not injuries....

"the highest level" of logic for this forum...

We have 75years of NBA history, so which team had won a chip with 3 most important players at their ages 37/35/35? (next year will 38y/36y/36y). Ok give me a team with 3 or 2 leaders over 35y...

Jordan won at 34 with 36 year old rodman, 32 year old pippen and 34 year old ron harper.

Duncan won at 37 with 31 year old tony parker and 36 year old manu.

Lebron won at 35, with 34 year old dwight and jr smith and 33 yr old rajon rondo.

It'll be a tough ring to win for sure. Probably highly improbable. But we haven't mortgaged the future. We have all of our draft picks. We have most of our young players.

[The-Power]

We are not going to be a top-tier contender. It's just the way it is and pretty much no way around it. But you don't need to be one to make a deep playoff run. You just need to get more lucky than those teams. Out of the last four teams standing, only OKC was considered a strong contender. I'd rather have another competitive year or two with an outside shot at the title than to break it up now and enter an entirely uncertain rebuilding period. The dark days will come soon enough, so I'm happy to enjoy whatever light we have left with Curry.

[SpreeS]

Again, we could've won this year with a healthy Curry

Dallas had won lottery with 1.8% chances, so yea we could win also if not Curry injury...

When your team is old as ****, injuries are big part of game...So a lot of old teams in NBA history could have won champioships if not injuries....

"the highest level" of logic for this forum...

We have 75years of NBA history, so which team had won a chip with 3 most important players at their ages 37/35/35? (next year will 38y/36y/36y). Ok give me a team with 3 or 2 leaders over 35y...

Jordan won at 34 with 36 year old rodman, 32 year old pippen and 34 year old ron harper.

Duncan won at 37 with 31 year old tony parker and 36 year old manu.

Lebron won at 35, with 34 year old dwight and jr smith and 33 yr old rajon rondo.

It'll be a tough ring to win for sure. Probably highly improbable. But we haven't mortgaged the future. We have all of our draft picks. We have most of our young players.

Jordan 34 and Curry 38 are two different things (Curry also won at 34y). Pippen at 32y and Butler at 36y...stop it.

Parker was 31y and Finals MVP Kawhi was 22y

Lebron had prime Davis

These situations are no where close to ours. You all tighten things.

[Onus]

Dallas had won lottery with 1.8% chances, so yea we could win also if not Curry injury...

When your team is old as ****, injuries are big part of game...So a lot of old teams in NBA history could have won champioships if not injuries....

"the highest level" of logic for this forum...

We have 75years of NBA history, so which team had won a chip with 3 most important players at their ages 37/35/35? (next year will 38y/36y/36y). Ok give me a team with 3 or 2 leaders over 35y...

Jordan won at 34 with 36 year old rodman, 32 year old pippen and 34 year old ron harper.

Duncan won at 37 with 31 year old tony parker and 36 year old manu.

Lebron won at 35, with 34 year old dwight and jr smith and 33 yr old rajon rondo.

It'll be a tough ring to win for sure. Probably highly improbable. But we haven't mortgaged the future. We have all of our draft picks. We have most of our young players.

Jordan 34 and Curry 38 are two different things (Curry also won at 34y). Pippen at 32y and Butler at 36y...stop it.

Parker was 31y and Finals MVP Kawhi was 22y

Lebron had prime Davis

These situations are no where close to ours. You all tighten things.

I'm not even sure what your position is. I'm just giving you a list of older stars that were able to win at their older age like you asked.

[SpreeS]

Jordan won at 34 with 36 year old rodman, 32 year old pippen and 34 year old ron harper.

Duncan won at 37 with 31 year old tony parker and 36 year old manu.

Lebron won at 35, with 34 year old dwight and jr smith and 33 yr old rajon rondo.

It'll be a tough ring to win for sure. Probably highly improbable. But we haven't mortgaged the future. We have all of our draft picks. We have most of our young players.

Jordan 34 and Curry 38 are two different things (Curry also won at 34y). Pippen at 32y and Butler at 36y...stop it.

Parker was 31y and Finals MVP Kawhi was 22y

Lebron had prime Davis

These situations are no where close to ours. You all tighten things.

I'm not even sure what your position is. I'm just giving you a list of older stars that were able to win at their older age like you asked.

Dont you see difference between 31-35y and 36y-38y. I wouldn't talk here if it was 2022.

[Onus]

Jordan 34 and Curry 38 are two different things (Curry also won at 34y). Pippen at 32y and Butler at 36y...stop it.

Parker was 31y and Finals MVP Kawhi was 22y

Lebron had prime Davis

These situations are no where close to ours. You all tighten things.

I'm not even sure what your position is. I'm just giving you a list of older stars that were able to win at their older age like you asked.

Dont you see difference between 31-35y and 36y-38y. I wouldn't talk here if it was 2022.

Steph is still capable of hard carrying. He's not as good as he was 3 years ago but he's still good enough. Jimmy is better than anyone else on that 2022 team even in his advanced age. Dray is slowing down and we need another rim protector to lessen his load.

[whatisacenter]

I'm not even sure what your position is. I'm just giving you a list of older stars that were able to win at their older age like you asked.

Dont you see difference between 31-35y and 36y-38y. I wouldn't talk here if it was 2022.

Steph is still capable of hard carrying. He's not as good as he was 3 years ago but he's still good enough. Jimmy is better than anyone else on that 2022 team even in his advanced age. Dray is slowing down and we need another rim protector to lessen his load.

Wiggins defended star players in that playoff run and finals better than anything we have seen from Jimmy and Wiggs was a three point threat.

Jimmy is a better ball handler and can create for others better than Wiggins.

[Onus]

Dont you see difference between 31-35y and 36y-38y. I wouldn't talk here if it was 2022.

Steph is still capable of hard carrying. He's not as good as he was 3 years ago but he's still good enough. Jimmy is better than anyone else on that 2022 team even in his advanced age. Dray is slowing down and we need another rim protector to lessen his load.

Wiggins defended star players in that playoff run and finals better than anything we have seen from Jimmy and Wiggs was a three point threat.

Jimmy is a better ball handler and can create for others better than Wiggins.

Yea different strengths. I really liked that 2022 team. I think they were better than 2015.

[vvoland]

Dont you see difference between 31-35y and 36y-38y. I wouldn't talk here if it was 2022.

Steph is still capable of hard carrying. He's not as good as he was 3 years ago but he's still good enough. Jimmy is better than anyone else on that 2022 team even in his advanced age. Dray is slowing down and we need another rim protector to lessen his load.

Wiggins defended star players in that playoff run and finals better than anything we have seen from Jimmy and Wiggs was a three point threat.

Jimmy is a better ball handler and can create for others better than Wiggins.

The Clipper/Mem/Hou(gm1) jimmy turned it on and reminded us that playoff jimmy is a real moniker, not the self appointed playoff p b.s. paul george was pushing.

Just to remind folks what happened just one month ago:
4/13 - Clipper game : 30 pts, 9 assists, 12-20, 1stl, 1 blk
and defending Kawhi or Harden most of the game (wish we saw some JK on Kawhi that night)

4/15 - Memphis play-in: 38pts, 7 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls on 12-20 and 12-18 FTs
40 minutes of amazing basketball in a clutch win

4/20 - Hou game 1: 25pts, 7rebs, 6 asts, 5 stls on 10-19
Led the team in rebounds, assists, steals, and +/- in a road playoff win

So in the three biggest games of the year to that point, jimmy averaged:
32/4/7 on 34/59 (58%) from the field with high minutes, tons of FTs, and solid leadership. He was just as impressive on defense during that stretch (except the Kawhi run, but he was unconscious in that game).

He didn't get old by game 2 of the Hou series, he got undercut and was not the same player from that point on.

P.S. Jimmy was 3/8 on 3's during those 3 games I mentioned above. He shot 50% on 3's in 8 april games (but on 1.8 attempts a game). He shot 30.6% in the playoffs on 3.3 attempts per game (that's including the 1-2 in Hou game 1). I'm willing to bet Jimmy comes back next year much sharper from 3, I think he knows teams will dare him to shoot it. He won't be a high volume shooter but I'll take the over on 36% from 3 next season on 3 attempts per game.

[Jester_]

Steph is still capable of hard carrying. He's not as good as he was 3 years ago but he's still good enough. Jimmy is better than anyone else on that 2022 team even in his advanced age. Dray is slowing down and we need another rim protector to lessen his load.

Wiggins defended star players in that playoff run and finals better than anything we have seen from Jimmy and Wiggs was a three point threat.

Jimmy is a better ball handler and can create for others better than Wiggins.

The Clipper/Mem/Hou(gm1) jimmy turned it on and reminded us that playoff jimmy is a real moniker, not the self appointed playoff p b.s. paul george was pushing.

Just to remind folks what happened just one month ago:
4/13 - Clipper game : 30 pts, 9 assists, 12-20, 1stl, 1 blk
and defending Kawhi or Harden most of the game (wish we saw some JK on Kawhi that night)

4/15 - Memphis play-in: 38pts, 7 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls on 12-20 and 12-18 FTs
40 minutes of amazing basketball in a clutch win

4/20 - Hou game 1: 25pts, 7rebs, 6 asts, 5 stls on 10-19
Led the team in rebounds, assists, steals, and +/- in a road playoff win

So in the three biggest games of the year to that point, jimmy averaged:
32/4/7 on 34/59 (58%) from the field with high minutes, tons of FTs, and solid leadership. He was just as impressive on defense during that stretch (except the Kawhi run, but he was unconscious in that game).

He didn't get old by game 2 of the Hou series, he got undercut and was not the same player from that point on.

P.S. Jimmy was 3/8 on 3's during those 3 games I mentioned above. He shot 50% on 3's in 8 april games (but on 1.8 attempts a game). He shot 30.6% in the playoffs on 3.3 attempts per game (that's including the 1-2 in Hou game 1). I'm willing to bet Jimmy comes back next year much sharper from 3, I think he knows teams will dare him to shoot it. He won't be a high volume shooter but I'll take the over on 36% from 3 next season on 3 attempts per game.

Ya I cannot understand how someone can claim 2022 Wiggins was as good as Jimmy today with a straight face

[Jester_]

They need a center and a 3&D guy WITH a healthy Curry.

Again, we could've won this year with a healthy Curry

Dallas had won lottery with 1.8% chances, so yea we could win also if not Curry injury...

When your team is old as ****, injuries are big part of game...So a lot of old teams in NBA history could have won champioships if not injuries....

"the highest level" of logic for this forum...

We have 75years of NBA history, so which team had won a chip with 3 most important players at their ages 37/35/35? (next year will 38y/36y/36y). Ok give me a team with 3 or 2 leaders over 35y...

what a silly question

NEVER in NBA history have we had 3 players in James, Curry and KD all performing at a high level at this age. Steph is probably the best 37 year old player ever (or 2nd to James)

so why the hell would the past matter?

[whatisacenter]

Wiggins defended star players in that playoff run and finals better than anything we have seen from Jimmy and Wiggs was a three point threat.

Jimmy is a better ball handler and can create for others better than Wiggins.

The Clipper/Mem/Hou(gm1) jimmy turned it on and reminded us that playoff jimmy is a real moniker, not the self appointed playoff p b.s. paul george was pushing.

Just to remind folks what happened just one month ago:
4/13 - Clipper game : 30 pts, 9 assists, 12-20, 1stl, 1 blk
and defending Kawhi or Harden most of the game (wish we saw some JK on Kawhi that night)

4/15 - Memphis play-in: 38pts, 7 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls on 12-20 and 12-18 FTs
40 minutes of amazing basketball in a clutch win

4/20 - Hou game 1: 25pts, 7rebs, 6 asts, 5 stls on 10-19
Led the team in rebounds, assists, steals, and +/- in a road playoff win

So in the three biggest games of the year to that point, jimmy averaged:
32/4/7 on 34/59 (58%) from the field with high minutes, tons of FTs, and solid leadership. He was just as impressive on defense during that stretch (except the Kawhi run, but he was unconscious in that game).

He didn't get old by game 2 of the Hou series, he got undercut and was not the same player from that point on.

P.S. Jimmy was 3/8 on 3's during those 3 games I mentioned above. He shot 50% on 3's in 8 april games (but on 1.8 attempts a game). He shot 30.6% in the playoffs on 3.3 attempts per game (that's including the 1-2 in Hou game 1). I'm willing to bet Jimmy comes back next year much sharper from 3, I think he knows teams will dare him to shoot it. He won't be a high volume shooter but I'll take the over on 36% from 3 next season on 3 attempts per game.

Ya I cannot understand how someone can claim 2022 Wiggins was as good as Jimmy today with a straight face

It's easy.

Wiggins was the second best player on a championship team. He was the POA defender on Luka, Tatum/Brown and was the best player in game 5 after Curry's game 4 heroics.

We are all just hoping that the best case scenario for Jimmy's playoff performance was that he was injured and/or sick. Butler said he was fine by the way.

It's also about fit....Draymond and Jimmy are both better at being a weak side defender at this point of their careers.

Also, some of you act like time will be suspended and those 3 old heads will be as good if not better than last season. I have 0 faith that they will all make it through the playoffs healthy if they make postseason.

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