2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[ProcessDoctor]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=v-j-edgecombe--derrick-rose--russell-westbrook

Different eras, but VJ holds up well here.

[ProcessDoctor]

The things that give me pause about VJ are the actual things I'm "overthinking" when it comes to this pick. Drop his first 7 games, which is essentially an onboarding period for freshman, and his stats go up a decent amount.

Remove his first month and his stats are:
PPG: 16.1
APG: 3.3
RPG: 5.7
SPG: 2
BPG: 0.3
FG%: 45.8%
2P%: 52%
3P%: 36%
FT%: 80%

Add in the fact that he made the tourney, played well on Bahamas national team, had multiple 20+ games (one 30+). There's a lot of meat on the bones, particularly with his athleticism.

Honestly, the only things that hold me back with him are his wingspan (about 2 inches short of elite) and age (will be almost 20 at the time of the draft).

Ace is a full year younger, comes with a 7' wingspan, and provides more STOCKs + rebounds.

Well, I don't think it's fair to add those together since Ace is inherently at the rim more on defense. Stocks alone, VJ has the edge. And VJ rebounds at an excellent rate for a guard.

Fair, I think you can add rebounding/find our PF later via a Kelly Oubre trade. Morey has completely neglected mentioning him when it comes to the rotation next year.

[stormi]

VJ nation finally starting to see the light. Arguably the #2 player in the class and absolutely has star upside. After Flagg, he's next up for the most likely player that could START on a team that wins an O'Brien.

When the shotmaking dries up in a pivotal G7, can you impact the game?

[ProcessDoctor]

I think the "mean/average" outcome for Ace Bailey is a high-motor Brandon Ingram. He obviously has such a wide range of outcomes, but I'm starting to think this is where he might land.

Still trying to pinpoint who VJ really compares to. Mathurin on the low end, Oladipo at the very high end? I just can’t see him ending up as a Wade, Westbrook, or Mitchell-level scorer.

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[Negrodamus]

I think the "mean/average" outcome for Ace Bailey is a high-motor Brandon Ingram. He obviously has such a wide range of outcomes, but I'm starting to think this is where he might land.

Still trying to pinpoint who VJ really compares to.

Like I said before, I think he tries to play like current day Ingram too much and not like Ingram at Duke. The alluring part of Duke Ingram was that you can see him being the shotmaker in the lane (or FT line) down the stretch of the game instead of settling on ridiculous fadeaway shots. He also had a 7'3 wingspan. Bailey... it remains to be seen I suppose.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think the "mean/average" outcome for Ace Bailey is a high-motor Brandon Ingram. He obviously has such a wide range of outcomes, but I'm starting to think this is where he might land.

Still trying to pinpoint who VJ really compares to.

Like I said before, I think he tries to play like current day Ingram too much and not like Ingram at Duke. The alluring part of Duke Ingram was that you can see him being the shotmaker in the lane (or FT line) down the stretch of the game instead of settling on ridiculous fadeaway shots. He also had a 7'3 wingspan. Bailey... it remains to be seen I suppose.

Ace's freshman environment really complicates things for me. Playing with Harper and the coach apparently wanted Ace to score and not play-make. On top of that, it was Rutgers. I wish we instead saw him as "the guy" at a stronger program to get a clearer picture.

[Negrodamus]

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Giving Flagg and his Monstars 20pts.

Looks like he's being shot out of cannon on some of these drives. If he can put some muscle on, he'll finish these take to the baskets.

[Black Mage]

I think the "mean/average" outcome for Ace Bailey is a high-motor Brandon Ingram. He obviously has such a wide range of outcomes, but I'm starting to think this is where he might land.

Still trying to pinpoint who VJ really compares to.

Like I said before, I think he tries to play like current day Ingram too much and not like Ingram at Duke. The alluring part of Duke Ingram was that you can see him being the shotmaker in the lane (or FT line) down the stretch of the game instead of settling on ridiculous fadeaway shots. He also had a 7'3 wingspan. Bailey... it remains to be seen I suppose.

Ace's freshman environment really complicates things for me. Playing with Harper and the coach apparently wanted Ace to score and not play-make. On top of that, it was Rutgers. I wish we instead saw him as "the guy" at a stronger program to get a clearer picture.

It wasn't even intelligent offense. You rarely saw Ace positioned in the dunkers slot or to cut baseline to receive easy buckets from Harper's drivers. Rutgers appeared to just do the tried and failed method of each guy takes his turn without actually running a thing. Honestly, I don't know how that slop of a coaching crew at Rutgers kept their jobs.

[Black Mage]

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Giving Flagg and his Monstars 20pts.

Looks like he's being shot out of cannon on some of these drives. If he can put some muscle on, he'll finish these take to the baskets.

No doubting his speed; but he had some ugly misses. This is my concern; right now he's all athleticism without any nuance to his offensive game. Right now, I don't think he can be played next to Maxey; you need a secondary ballhandler to take some of the creation and workload off of him. We all saw that last year. That limits VJ's value. This isn't a situation of you take a player and re-arrange the deck chairs around them; I don't see VJ replacing Maxey as the guy to build around.

On flip side; he'd fit extremely well with McCain and it's why I still can't rule him out against Ace.

[Mik317]

VJ and Ace probably start the year off the bench anyway unless they pop....hell Nurse probably would also bench Harper (he'd be shot for attempting to bench Flagg)

then again there is a chance that Grimes gets overpaid and leaves too.

[Black Mage]

I don't think anyone's posted this:

Kon's height without shoes was 6'5" and wingspan was 6'6.25" per NBA combine website.

[Iverson Armband]

Where’s the video of Edgecomb’s game against Duke in the tourney?

[Black Mage]

Giving some love to @76ciology.

If we could swing a deal with the Nets to land Cam Johnson, 8 and 19 for something like 3, (cap filler), a future 1st top 10 protected and future 2nd; then I'd be down for using it in something like this:

8 - Maluach (getting Cam and #19 helps sell using 8 on a center)

19 - one of Nique Clifford, Cedric Coward, Rasheer Fleming.

[Black Mage]

Where’s the video of Edgecomb’s game against Duke in the tourney?

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[Negrodamus]

First 5 minutes of the game and Omier is bullying Maluach who is like half a foot taller than him.

[Negrodamus]

I'm team trade down. The allure for other teams to get Ace Bailey has to be pretty high, so I'd try to leverage a trade down top 7-10 and try to get future picks. This year just ain't to me.

[76ciology]

If we’re targeting VJ, why not just trade down and take Rasheer Fleming, Yaxel Lendeborg, Thomas Sorber, or even Adou Thiero? Hop on to the Cedric Coward bandwagon?

They all fit the same mold of high impact 2way players with lottery level value who slide due to perceived low upside, the exact type Morey tends to favor with picks outside the top three.

[Arsenal]

First 5 minutes of the game and Omier is bullying Maluach who is like half a foot taller than him.

Maluach with ZERO boards against Houston in the Final Four. Absolutely not.

[Negrodamus]

I know it's not the trade thread, but how about this:

#3, Kelly Oubre, Drummond
for
#7, Herb Jones, protected future first

We get off these two stupid contracts for a former DPOY candidate who was excellent last year but regressed a little this year.

At #7, I don't really care tbh. Tankathon has Jeremiah Fears there and I'll 1000% take him. If Morey feels good about Noa, great, take him.

[Negrodamus]

I also think Kasparas had a more serious injury to his arm in January than we know and that's why his stats, particularly outside shooting, went to hell. If he even shot in the high 30s from 3 for the final three months, we'd be talking about him instead of VJ and Tre.