Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porzingis. Who's gone?

[Bernman]

Come to think of it, they're probably going to have to trade many of their guys, not just Jrue & Porzi, to make up the #'s. Cuz it's so hard to find a team who has cap space they want to use this offseason or a large trade exception while not being hard-capped at an apron.

So they might well be talking just being able to shed 5-7 million per for Porzi & Jrue. They might have to do things they really don't want to, like deal Pritchard into a trade exception. The apron rules are going to make for some really odd looking deals soon (it's already started).

[kenwood3333]

None, without Tatum and when healthy this is still a playoff/playin team in the weak easter conference. Tatum can rejoin the team before PO starts.

[GiannisAnte34]

That Holiday contract is **** gross. Almost 35, declining, and still owed $100M.

Funny how last year people were saying that the Bucks were stupid to “hand Jrue to the Celtics”

Now people realize the downside

[the_process]

The Celtics are officially dead after getting demolished in Game 6.

It is a public secret that the Celtics are looking to lower salaries. Holiday and Porzingis are the ones that have been mentioned in trade talks the most.

Who do you think will not be on the roster next season?

They will trade both and end up under the 1st apron.

With the news Brown might have a meniscus tear, I wouldn't be surprised if both Brown and Tatum take the year off and the Celtics just tank hard in a good draft year.

[JayMKE]

Jrue is a great roleplayer and person but that contract is ugly, think assets have to attached to move him. Porzingis I think should be pretty easy to move tho.

[Bernman]

None, without Tatum and when healthy this is still a playoff/playin team in the weak easter conference. Tatum can rejoin the team before PO starts.

That's not being a realist. Nobody should be incurring those 2nd apron penalties and gargantuan tax bill for a non-contender. They probably had to move at least 1 if they netted another title & they were part of the reason. This is a new situation. Everyone's starting to adjust to this reality.

[pcbothwel]

The Celtics are officially dead after getting demolished in Game 6.

It is a public secret that the Celtics are looking to lower salaries. Holiday and Porzingis are the ones that have been mentioned in trade talks the most.

Who do you think will not be on the roster next season?

They will trade both and end up under the 1st apron.

With the news Brown might have a meniscus tear, I wouldn't be surprised if both Brown and Tatum take the year off and the Celtics just tank hard in a good draft year.

How?
With their pick, they are at 230M with 13 players, and the 1st/2nd apron is 196/208.
You think they cut 35M+ and get to 15?!?...and they cant aggregate players together... Tough

KP is good enough as an expiring to do a lot of the leg work, but his mystery illness has sapped any value until he proves to be healthy.
Jrue is hit the cliff and its nothing but down from here. The guy is approaching 40k minutes, and all of the most reasonable comps (Lowry, Billups, Rondo, Smart... a little byron scott/Conley as well) point to his being a tough contract to eat for 3 years.

[the_process]

The Celtics are officially dead after getting demolished in Game 6.

It is a public secret that the Celtics are looking to lower salaries. Holiday and Porzingis are the ones that have been mentioned in trade talks the most.

Who do you think will not be on the roster next season?

They will trade both and end up under the 1st apron.

With the news Brown might have a meniscus tear, I wouldn't be surprised if both Brown and Tatum take the year off and the Celtics just tank hard in a good draft year.

How?
With their pick, they are at 230M with 13 players, and the 1st/2nd apron is 196/208.
You think they cut 35M+ and get to 15?!?...and they cant aggregate players together... Tough

KP is good enough as an expiring to do a lot of the leg work, but his mystery illness has sapped any value until he proves to be healthy.
Jrue is hit the cliff and its nothing but down from here. The guy is approaching 40k minutes, and all of the most reasonable comps (Lowry, Billups, Rondo, Smart... a little byron scott/Conley as well) point to his being a tough contract to eat for 3 years.

Boston is obviously going to have to sell at a loss.

I'm not working out the whole trade here, but as an example, if BOS sent Porzingis and Holiday to Washington, and only took Marcus Smart in return.

Obviously, they'd have to figure a place to send Middleton to (BKN?) and picks would have to be involved (6 for 8?) for that probably.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Both KP and Holiday need to go and make sure you take Tatum with you.

[UglyBugBall]

Jason Timpf suggested sending Jrue to Dallas for PJ Washington, and i think it makes sense for both sides.

Dallas needs a guard with no Kyrie, and Washington isn’t needed any longer withk Flagg coming in. Boston needs a Wing next year to run with JB while Tatum is out.

Nice, Nico should keep making the title window more narrow. It should be so narrow that it only lasts up to the NBA cup coming december

[Doctor MJ]

Who do you think will not be on the roster next season?

I expect the Celtics will be trying their best to trade both and it's just a question of whether they will get offers that make sense for them.

In the case of Jrue, I expect there will be demand, though the length of his contract is probably going to mean you're not going to have other franchises looking to give up a lot of assets for him.

In the case of KP, I'm really not sure if there will be demand as anything other than as an ending contract for a team looking to get under aprons a year hence, and it's hard to imagine a team in that situation really being able to give the Celtics what they want in immediate cost savings. I could see the Celtics just riding out KP's last year and seeing what happens.

[TheProfessor]

If I am the celtics, I am tanking next season and moving everyone not named Tatum, Pritchard, and Derrick White, Jaylen Brown off this team. Let JB come back in February from his meniscus tear, and heavily rest derrick white. Try to accumulate assets and try to pry away a disgruntled Jokic next season. JB+top 5 pick+Future picks should do the trick.

[pwayknicks]

My trash for your trash kind of deal … see if it helps either team ?

Some combination of porter jr and Murray for jrue porzingis could shakeup both rosters the only real way possible


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[chrisab123]

That Holiday contract is **** gross. Almost 35, declining, and still owed $100M.

Funny how last year people were saying that the Bucks were stupid to “hand Jrue to the Celtics”

Now people realize the downside

Jrue brought a title to Boston. Yes they were stupid to make that deal. You can hate the extension but it doesn’t absolve the Bucks from an absolute moronic move.

[chrisab123]

They will trade both and end up under the 1st apron.

With the news Brown might have a meniscus tear, I wouldn't be surprised if both Brown and Tatum take the year off and the Celtics just tank hard in a good draft year.

How?
With their pick, they are at 230M with 13 players, and the 1st/2nd apron is 196/208.
You think they cut 35M+ and get to 15?!?...and they cant aggregate players together... Tough

KP is good enough as an expiring to do a lot of the leg work, but his mystery illness has sapped any value until he proves to be healthy.
Jrue is hit the cliff and its nothing but down from here. The guy is approaching 40k minutes, and all of the most reasonable comps (Lowry, Billups, Rondo, Smart... a little byron scott/Conley as well) point to his being a tough contract to eat for 3 years.

Boston is obviously going to have to sell at a loss.

I'm not working out the whole trade here, but as an example, if BOS sent Porzingis and Holiday to Washington, and only took Marcus Smart in return.

Obviously, they'd have to figure a place to send Middleton to (BKN?) and picks would have to be involved (6 for 8?) for that probably.

Two things.

Porzingis is an expiring so he’s going to get value back. Jrue has more value than people realize so you’re underestimating how much they can get back. Now will they get multiple firsts for both and young stars? No. But they can do better than Marcus or Khris.

Second, if the Celtics do that proposal for Smart they will never win another title. It will tank Brown and Tatum’s development. Just look at how the team played last year vs years past. Tatum and Brown finally shot the ball at the end of the game instead of deferring to Marcus with the game on the line. That’s the real problem with having Marcus on this team. He also kind of held back Prichard and White too. It just doesn’t make sense.

[GiannisAnte34]

That Holiday contract is **** gross. Almost 35, declining, and still owed $100M.

Funny how last year people were saying that the Bucks were stupid to “hand Jrue to the Celtics”

Now people realize the downside

Jrue brought a title to Boston. Yes they were stupid to make that deal. You can hate the extension but it doesn’t absolve the Bucks from an absolute moronic move.

It’s not a moronic move. Jrue is never going to be a 2nd option on a title team. Boston used him as a 4th option so comparing him in that situation is apples to oranges.

[Froob]

Both probably, and Hauser

[JujitsuFlip]

My trash for your trash kind of deal … see if it helps either team ?

Some combination of porter jr and Murray for jrue porzingis could shakeup both rosters the only real way possible


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Celtics need to get out of the 2nd apron for next season, that's the main motivation.

[chrisab123]

Funny how last year people were saying that the Bucks were stupid to “hand Jrue to the Celtics”

Now people realize the downside

Jrue brought a title to Boston. Yes they were stupid to make that deal. You can hate the extension but it doesn’t absolve the Bucks from an absolute moronic move.

It’s not a moronic move. Jrue is never going to be a 2nd option on a title team. Boston used him as a 4th option so comparing him in that situation is apples to oranges.

It was though. The Bucks didn’t need Lillard as much as you’d think. It was always kind of an odd fit. Obviously his ability to score is elite but the Bucks won without that before. They needed a guy like Jrue who would be a defensive stopper. Lillard couldn't guard a parking cone. They just needed scoring, depth off the bench, and they needed to hire a good coach. They did none of that which is why the Bucks are where they are.

[chrisab123]

Both probably, and Hauser

They might move all 3 but they’ll probably move only two out of the three if Tatum is really coming back in Nine Months. I can only see a scenario where they get someone back who is a game changer that can complement Tatum Brown and White if they move on from all three.