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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd 

Post#261 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun May 18, 2025 6:08 pm

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Probably the best improvement we could make in our current financial situation under the new CBA is bringing back Donte ....

In all seriousness I think it makes great sense for both sides.

Minny is kinda a small market and they surely dont like the penalties and taxes under the aprons of the new CBA (our former Minny exec Rosas knows this better than anyone). Should they decide to resign Randle to a big deal, they are going to want to subsidize that with filling out the roster as cost effectively as possible.

That team lacks a true point guard. Divo is also a 12M a year player. If you replace him with 2 players: Duece at 4.3M and Kolek who is cost controlled for next 4years at around 2-3M and then expring contracts.....they would probably love that from a financial standpoint.

Divo is under 12 pts a game for them right now. A Duece and Kolek combo prolly has better value for that team.

Keep Delon Wright as your Duece replacement and add Divo. That mad bomber from 5 feet behind the 3pt line is missing from this team and would make this team even more complete and dangerous.

Rotation (minutes):
C Mitch (22) KAT (20) Huk (6)
PF OG (25) KAT (13) Hart (10)
SF Bridges (30) Hart (15) OG(5)
SG Divo (30) Wright(7) Bridges (6) Hart (5)
PG Brunson (35) Wright (13)

8-9 man rotation with all Thibs type players. Vilanova Quartet + KAT+ OG all get 30+ but under 36 for regular season.


Allegedly Minny really wanted Donte and he was gonna sign there when we got him. I would love to bring him back but, I think we need to run two big lineup more and that doesn't make any sense getting Donte.

I wouldn't be against a trade for him but, I don't know that it will even be possible. Precious/Deuce?


On your other point....Two big lineup works really well with Donte actually.

Mitch and KAT give you plenty of rebounding and with Mitch out there you would want better shooting over Hart

For like 15 ish minutes a game something like...

Mitch
KAT
OG/Bridges
DDV/Bridges
Brunson


I think Donte as a starter is a good player. He won't start here with a two big lineup. Off the bench he didn't seem to get enough time to get going. He was having similar issues in Minny earlier this year and then his role expanded some from what I remember reading.

I think the depth would be really good with him though and, that's important with Thibs penchant for running guys ragged though. Deuce/Precious for Donte would make a bit of sense but, not sure that works at all for Minny.

Brunson/Kolek/???
Mikal/Donte/Pac
OG/Hart/McC
KAT/???
Mitch/KAT/Huk

Up against the apron with at least 2 roster spots to fill. Would seem like a deeper team that Thibs may expand the rotation for if Kolek and one other rookie takes any sort of leap.

We will have all summer to figure it out and then live with whatever the FO does anyway. :lol: I'm here for game one of the ECF right now. I'll let the rest work itself out.
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Post#262 » by KnixinSix » Sun May 18, 2025 6:18 pm

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Allegedly Minny really wanted Donte and he was gonna sign there when we got him. I would love to bring him back but, I think we need to run two big lineup more and that doesn't make any sense getting Donte.

I wouldn't be against a trade for him but, I don't know that it will even be possible. Precious/Deuce?


On your other point....Two big lineup works really well with Donte actually.

Mitch and KAT give you plenty of rebounding and with Mitch out there you would want better shooting over Hart

For like 15 ish minutes a game something like...

Mitch
KAT
OG/Bridges
DDV/Bridges
Brunson


I think Donte as a starter is a good player. He won't start here with a two big lineup. Off the bench he didn't seem to get enough time to get going. He was having similar issues in Minny earlier this year and then his role expanded some from what I remember reading.

I think the depth would be really good with him though and, that's important with Thibs penchant for running guys ragged though. Deuce/Precious for Donte would make a bit of sense but, not sure that works at all for Minny.

Brunson/Kolek/???
Mikal/Donte/Pac
OG/Hart/McC
KAT/???
Mitch/KAT/Huk

Up against the apron with at least 2 roster spots to fill. Would seem like a deeper team that Thibs may expand the rotation for if Kolek and one other rookie takes any sort of leap.

We will have all summer to figure it out and then live with whatever the FO does anyway. :lol: I'm here for game one of the ECF right now. I'll let the rest work itself out.


This is why I do the minutes breakdown analysis...Donte without McBride on the roster can get 30+

Starting or not is not the most important part, its avg minutes played per game.

And even with that said Hart is better off the bench.

KAT
OG
Bridges
DDV
Brunson

True 5 out right there.

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Post#263 » by WargamesX » Sun May 18, 2025 7:06 pm

I like McBride in that limited role. We have multiple guys who can play SG and be distributors. We definitely seen Bridges create for himself more and Hart has turned himself into more of a distributor as well.


I really think our only issue is at PF where we could use some more physicality whenever might want KAT to play center and want Bridges and OG to focus more on defending the perimeter.
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Post#264 » by SuperflyKnick » Sun May 18, 2025 9:38 pm

NY- Divo, Whitemore
MIN- McBride, precious (Sign n trade)
HOU- Dadiet, pk

Sign Steven Adams for backup center with MLE


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Post#265 » by Clyde_Style » Sun May 18, 2025 11:11 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
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Probably the best improvement we could make in our current financial situation under the new CBA is bringing back Donte ....

In all seriousness I think it makes great sense for both sides.

Minny is kinda a small market and they surely dont like the penalties and taxes under the aprons of the new CBA (our former Minny exec Rosas knows this better than anyone). Should they decide to resign Randle to a big deal, they are going to want to subsidize that with filling out the roster as cost effectively as possible.

That team lacks a true point guard. Divo is also a 12M a year player. If you replace him with 2 players: Duece at 4.3M and Kolek who is cost controlled for next 4years at around 2-3M and then expring contracts.....they would probably love that from a financial standpoint.

Divo is under 12 pts a game for them right now. A Duece and Kolek combo prolly has better value for that team.

Keep Delon Wright as your Duece replacement and add Divo. That mad bomber from 5 feet behind the 3pt line is missing from this team and would make this team even more complete and dangerous.

Rotation (minutes):
C Mitch (22) KAT (20) Huk (6)
PF OG (25) KAT (13) Hart (10)
SF Bridges (30) Hart (15) OG(5)
SG Divo (30) Wright(7) Bridges (6) Hart (5)
PG Brunson (35) Wright (13)

8-9 man rotation with all Thibs type players. Vilanova Quartet + KAT+ OG all get 30+ but under 36 for regular season.


Allegedly Minny really wanted Donte and he was gonna sign there when we got him. I would love to bring him back but, I think we need to run two big lineup more and that doesn't make any sense getting Donte.

I wouldn't be against a trade for him but, I don't know that it will even be possible. Precious/Deuce?


Kinda what I was thinking above....

That team lacks a true point guard. Divo is also a 12M a year player. If you replace him with 2 players: Duece at 4.3M and Kolek who is cost controlled for next 4years at around 2-3M and then expring contracts.....they would probably love that from a financial standpoint.

And Kolek and Duece is BETTER potential wise than the Minnesota version of Divo.

They might do it because:

1. They have a 220M payroll this year is 2nd in the NBA, that only drops to 187M next year which is still top 10. If the sign Randle it will jump them potentially over that 220M. Minny is a smaller market team that DOES not want the additional financial stress of being over the 2nd apron and will want to mitiagate that factor as much as possible. Rosas knows this better than anyone outside of their organization.
2. Minny version of Divo is not NYs version. They were banking on getting NYs version and that didn't happen.
3. Divo is owed almost 25 million (in just one player) over next 2 years. Kolek and McBride combined are less than that.
4. Minny needs a pure PG for that roster to be more complete. With Brunson, Kolek is kind of redundant if he can't play the 2 or be an elite defender. McBride's defense complements Kolek well in tandem. On this team if you lose McBride, Delon Wright is really is a good complement to Brunson as he can ball handle , distribute a little bit and play excellent defense.


Did somebody say Kolek?

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Post#266 » by KnixinSix » Mon May 19, 2025 2:41 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Allegedly Minny really wanted Donte and he was gonna sign there when we got him. I would love to bring him back but, I think we need to run two big lineup more and that doesn't make any sense getting Donte.

I wouldn't be against a trade for him but, I don't know that it will even be possible. Precious/Deuce?


Kinda what I was thinking above....

That team lacks a true point guard. Divo is also a 12M a year player. If you replace him with 2 players: Duece at 4.3M and Kolek who is cost controlled for next 4years at around 2-3M and then expring contracts.....they would probably love that from a financial standpoint.

And Kolek and Duece is BETTER potential wise than the Minnesota version of Divo.

They might do it because:

1. They have a 220M payroll this year is 2nd in the NBA, that only drops to 187M next year which is still top 10. If the sign Randle it will jump them potentially over that 220M. Minny is a smaller market team that DOES not want the additional financial stress of being over the 2nd apron and will want to mitiagate that factor as much as possible. Rosas knows this better than anyone outside of their organization.
2. Minny version of Divo is not NYs version. They were banking on getting NYs version and that didn't happen.
3. Divo is owed almost 25 million (in just one player) over next 2 years. Kolek and McBride combined are less than that.
4. Minny needs a pure PG for that roster to be more complete. With Brunson, Kolek is kind of redundant if he can't play the 2 or be an elite defender. McBride's defense complements Kolek well in tandem. On this team if you lose McBride, Delon Wright is really is a good complement to Brunson as he can ball handle , distribute a little bit and play excellent defense.


Did somebody say Kolek?

Deuce/Kolek - The annihilating 2nd unit backcourt of the future!


The upside projection of those two players vs Divo's reduced performance level in Minnesota combined with the more favorable financial implications for their team is why there is a pretty good chance they do this deal or something similar (if we presented the offer)
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Post#267 » by KnixinSix » Mon May 19, 2025 2:44 pm

WargamesX wrote:I like McBride in that limited role. We have multiple guys who can play SG and be distributors. We definitely seen Bridges create for himself more and Hart has turned himself into more of a distributor as well.


I really think our only issue is at PF where we could use some more physicality whenever might want KAT to play center and want Bridges and OG to focus more on defending the perimeter.


I really do too but DDV + Delon Wright are >> McBride all day.

Wright has more complementary length than McBride to Brunson and will be a year in our system. DDV is unquestionably a better offensive player than McBride (at least the Knick version is in Thibs system).
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Post#269 » by knicksstuff » Mon May 19, 2025 4:23 pm

CP3, Steven Adams, Luke Kennard

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Mikal // Kennard
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Post#270 » by KnixinSix » Mon May 19, 2025 4:34 pm

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1. Trade KAT+ for Giannis. I love KAT but this is Giannis we are talking about here.
2. Re-sign Delon Wright
3. Trade back for DDV (some combination of McBride, Kolek, etc)
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Post#271 » by The KnicksFix » Mon May 19, 2025 5:11 pm

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1. Trade KAT+ for Giannis. I love KAT but this is Giannis we are talking about here.
2. Re-sign Delon Wright
3. Trade back for DDV (some combination of McBride, Kolek, etc)


If you trade for Giannis, the trade will be KAT, deuce and 26,28,30 pick swaps for both teams to remain under the second apron. Deuce must be included for any trade for KAT.

Still, you have to look at the construct of the team
Regardless if giannis is a beast
You still need to look at floor spacing

If you run pick and roll with giannis, the only option is for Giannis to roll. However, if you run pick and roll with KAT, KAT can still roll, or pick and pop off the pick.

If you bring Giannis, you’ll have to allow him to operate in the post, meaning Jalen Brunson becomes a spot up shooter, this is the problem that Giannis and Damian Lillard had.

Mikal also doesn’t space the floor well as a kick out shooter. He operates more in slashing and the middy
That puts THREE players now in the paint

I’m not against a Giannis trade, but it changes the dynamics and complexion of the team.

If you have giannis, he is not a three point threat. Which means another player you can sag off on defense and clog the paint on Brunson. Giannis and Hart on the floor at the same time means two more defenders roaming the paint on Brunson drives.
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Post#272 » by TheGreenArrow » Mon May 19, 2025 5:16 pm

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1. Trade KAT+ for Giannis. I love KAT but this is Giannis we are talking about here.
2. Re-sign Delon Wright
3. Trade back for DDV (some combination of McBride, Kolek, etc)


If you trade for Giannis, the trade will be KAT, deuce and 26,28,30 pick swaps for both teams to remain under the second apron. Deuce must be included for any trade for KAT.

Still, you have to look at the construct of the team
Regardless if giannis is a beast
You still need to look at floor spacing

If you run pick and roll with giannis, the only option is for Giannis to roll. However, if you run pick and roll with KAT, KAT can still roll, or pick and pop off the pick.

If you bring Giannis, you’ll have to allow him to operate in the post, meaning Jalen Brunson becomes a spot up shooter, this is the problem that Giannis and Damian Lillard had.

Mikal also doesn’t space the floor well as a kick out shooter. He operates more in slashing and the middy
That puts THREE players now in the paint

I’m not against a Giannis trade, but it changes the dynamics and complexion of the team.


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Post#273 » by KnixinSix » Mon May 19, 2025 5:20 pm

The KnicksFix wrote:
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1. Trade KAT+ for Giannis. I love KAT but this is Giannis we are talking about here.
2. Re-sign Delon Wright
3. Trade back for DDV (some combination of McBride, Kolek, etc)


If you trade for Giannis, the trade will be KAT, deuce and 26,28,30 pick swaps for both teams to remain under the second apron. Deuce must be included for any trade for KAT.

Still, you have to look at the construct of the team
Regardless if giannis is a beast
You still need to look at floor spacing

If you run pick and roll with giannis, the only option is for Giannis to roll. However, if you run pick and roll with KAT, KAT can still roll, or pick and pop off the pick.

If you bring Giannis, you’ll have to allow him to operate in the post, meaning Jalen Brunson becomes a spot up shooter, this is the problem that Giannis and Damian Lillard had.

Mikal also doesn’t space the floor well as a kick out shooter. He operates more in slashing and the middy
That puts THREE players now in the paint

I’m not against a Giannis trade, but it changes the dynamics and complexion of the team.


The defense becomes absolutely suffocating. The switching defense would be absolutely incredible. Yes you probably lose Duece McBride but you make up for it with a trade for a 3 guy (maybe DDV) and keeping Delon Wright (and possibly one of Shamet or Payne). Giannis next to OG and Bridges is downright unfair. Mitch too. Wow.
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Post#274 » by The KnicksFix » Mon May 19, 2025 5:29 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:

1. Trade KAT+ for Giannis. I love KAT but this is Giannis we are talking about here.
2. Re-sign Delon Wright
3. Trade back for DDV (some combination of McBride, Kolek, etc)


If you trade for Giannis, the trade will be KAT, deuce and 26,28,30 pick swaps for both teams to remain under the second apron. Deuce must be included for any trade for KAT.

Still, you have to look at the construct of the team
Regardless if giannis is a beast
You still need to look at floor spacing

If you run pick and roll with giannis, the only option is for Giannis to roll. However, if you run pick and roll with KAT, KAT can still roll, or pick and pop off the pick.

If you bring Giannis, you’ll have to allow him to operate in the post, meaning Jalen Brunson becomes a spot up shooter, this is the problem that Giannis and Damian Lillard had.

Mikal also doesn’t space the floor well as a kick out shooter. He operates more in slashing and the middy
That puts THREE players now in the paint

I’m not against a Giannis trade, but it changes the dynamics and complexion of the team.


The defense becomes absolutely suffocating. The switching defense would be absolutely incredible. Yes you probably lose Duece McBride but you make up for it with a trade for a 3 guy (maybe DDV) and keeping Delon Wright (and possibly one of Shamet or Payne). Giannis next to OG and Bridges is downright unfair. Mitch too. Wow.


Deuce would go in the Giannis trade
We wouldn’t have enough to trade for Donte, and the wolves wouldn’t just give him up if they get to the finals

Giannis+OG+Mikal+Mitch is a dream defensively, but half of those four can’t shoot
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Post#275 » by WargamesX » Mon May 19, 2025 5:37 pm

It seems like a pipe dream. I think they can make it with KAT/Mitch
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Post#276 » by The KnicksFix » Mon May 19, 2025 5:50 pm

WargamesX wrote:It seems like a pipe dream. I think they can make it with KAT/Mitch


If you trade Mitch and deuce and absorb the contract to enter the second apron and you have a team of Brunson, KAT og Mikal hart giannis. Well now that’s just insane.
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Post#277 » by WargamesX » Mon May 19, 2025 5:51 pm

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WargamesX wrote:It seems like a pipe dream. I think they can make it with KAT/Mitch


If you trade Mitch and deuce and absorb the contract to enter the second apron and you have a team of Brunson, KAT og Mikal hart giannis. Well now that’s just insane.


That can’t be possible. That would be the biggest hack in NBA history
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Post#278 » by The KnicksFix » Mon May 19, 2025 6:03 pm

WargamesX wrote:
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WargamesX wrote:It seems like a pipe dream. I think they can make it with KAT/Mitch


If you trade Mitch and deuce and absorb the contract to enter the second apron and you have a team of Brunson, KAT og Mikal hart giannis. Well now that’s just insane.


That can’t be possible. That would be the biggest hack in NBA history


The option is there
Deuce and Mitch combined make half of giannis’ max contract salary
But the option to absorb the deal and enter the second apron is there as well

You’re basically saying a team of
Brunson
Mikal
OG
KAT
Giannis
Hart

Will be the core for two years. His contract comes off the books in two seasons so you can run that team for two years being in the second apron
And fill out the backups with pac, huk, kolek, McCullar

Again it all relies on how bad Giannis wants to be a Knick.
If he says it’s NY or nowhere, I’m thinking he reserved the option to enter the second apron for a player like this.
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Post#279 » by spree2kawhi » Mon May 19, 2025 6:48 pm

You don’t say no to Giannis. He seems to be one of the nicest guys in the league from what I can tell. But let’s focus on this run first.
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Post#280 » by Jeffrey » Mon May 19, 2025 7:26 pm

This offseason, there's going to be a lot of trades for stars on the cheap. Everyone is looking to get rid of contracts to avoid that apron. Brooklyn is in prime spot to collect some of these players.

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