NBA Trade Thread #12

[2weekswithpay]

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[Infinity2152]

Sometimes it can be a move that doesn't look huge at the time, like the trade for SGA, New York getting Brunson, Donovan Mitchell to Cleveland, that ends up changing the league. More than getting number top 3 draft picks. I'd say getting Giddey for Caruso and then getting Matas with the 11 pick has put us way farther ahead in the game. Giddey's not at the level of Mitchell or Brunson or SGA, but damn he keeps impressing. Fingers crossed, I'm expecting Matas to have a better season than Cooper Flagg.

If AK can use a player or future pick/Portland pick to move up in the draft or really hit on a player at 12, this year has to count as a serious win in terms of adding young talent and getting rid of older, expensive players. Adding Matas, Giddey, 2025 rookie, Jalen Smith, and adding Ball back to the lineup while losing Lavine, Drummond and Caruso in basically one year. And he has the whole free agency to make moves.

[Ccwatercraft]

Who says no?

Milwaukee trades Giannis
Milwaukee receives: Reed, Sengun, Portland pick, 2025 phx pick, 2027 phoenix pick, 2029 Rockets pick, Carter (salary purposes), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls.

Bulls trade: Portland pick, Ball, Carter (or Terry), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls
Bulls receive Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore

Rockets trade Sengun, Smith, phx 2025 (#10), phx 2027, 2029 Rockets pick, Cam Whitmore, Reed
Rockets receive Giannis, Ball

Milwaukee gets 4 first round picks, 2 seconds and q young center and guard to build around.

Rockets get Giannis and a backup guard who can play either spot and credibly shoot 3s. They also keep both their valuable wings - Green and Thompson as well as FVV, Eason and Brooks. They have a win now roster with room to grow. Plus their own picks too.

Bulls get a promising power forward prospect and a wing scorer for Ball, a first round pick, and some seconds.

I think Milwaukee would rather take the Bulls out of the deal and get Jabari/Whitmore instead of the Portland pick/2nds.

I don't think they could handle the additional salary and Ball is a sweetener for HOU, he's under a favorable contract.

I also didn't watch enough HOU to judge Smith and/or his defense, and we could use some of that.

[Chi town]

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[sco]

More I look at both teams, getting less opposed to taking on George's contract to get pick 3. The only way I'd do it is we keep pick 12 and Pat Will is included in the deal. So Coby, Williams, and either Vuc or Collins. Maybe throw in Portland 1st. They get players who can play now, and great insurance for the many games Embid can't/won't play. Could reduce his average minutes to 30 mins/gm. Coby's likely to score more than any rookie this year. Pat Will gives them a much cheaper, younger replacement for George (of course, not nearly as good). They're not that far over the cap, Vuc and White expiring gives them way more flexibility in the summer. They'd have way better depth to go with Embid and Maxey.

For us, taking on PG13 contract limits our moves for 3 years, but grabbing two rookies in this class (one at pick 3) makes it worth it. Adding Pat to the deal means we take on an extra $30+ mill long term instead of 50+. With Giddey at $30 mill, PG13 at $50mill, we probably have an additional $40 mill including the rookies and players still under contract (Ball, Matas, Smith, Phillips), we should still be able to add a $15-$25 mill starter.

Roster would be Giddey, Pick 3, George, Matas, Smith, Ball, pick 12, 2026 pick, Phillips with some cap space summer 2026. Bird rights on Ayo, and maybe Huerter if we want to bring them back. Hopefully pick 12 or 2026 1st is a good/great SF/PF to replace George when he's out.

I'm with you. Trade-off and the end-of-the-day is Coby vs. #3. PG basically cancels out Coby's extension and PWill. The question would mean picking right between Ace and VJ.

[sco]

Who says no?

Milwaukee trades Giannis
Milwaukee receives: Reed, Sengun, Portland pick, 2025 phx pick, 2027 phoenix pick, 2029 Rockets pick, Carter (salary purposes), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls.

Bulls trade: Portland pick, Ball, Carter (or Terry), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls
Bulls receive Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore

Rockets trade Sengun, Smith, phx 2025 (#10), phx 2027, 2029 Rockets pick, Cam Whitmore, Reed
Rockets receive Giannis, Ball

Milwaukee gets 4 first round picks, 2 seconds and q young center and guard to build around.

Rockets get Giannis and a backup guard who can play either spot and credibly shoot 3s. They also keep both their valuable wings - Green and Thompson as well as FVV, Eason and Brooks. They have a win now roster with room to grow. Plus their own picks too.

Bulls get a promising power forward prospect and a wing scorer for Ball, a first round pick, and some seconds.

I can't see HOU sending out Sengun, even for Giannis.

[sco]

A trade that makes sense I think for both teams.

Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.

I guess it depends on how you feel about Kuminga and paying him $30-$35M. The parts I struggle with are that he's both a below-average defender and 3pt shooter. IMO you need to be able to shoot 3's (and ft's) to be a #1 option, and you need to be a decent defender if you are a #2. Coby, Giddey, Kuminga would be a big problem defensively.

[Infinity2152]

A trade that makes sense I think for both teams.

Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.

I guess it depends on how you feel about Kuminga and paying him $30-$35M. The parts I struggle with are that he's both a below-average defender and 3pt shooter. IMO you need to be able to shoot 3's (and ft's) to be a #1 option, and you need to be a decent defender if you are a #2. Coby, Giddey, Kuminga would be a big problem defensively.

Was wondering what people consider his defense level. If he's a bad defender, it would be an absolute no for me. People may disagree, I'd prefer a strong defense, strong shooting, low scoring Pat who plays defense at $18 mill over a higher scoring, worse defense Kuminga at $30 mill. Or just use that $30 mill to add a two way player to Coby, Giddey, Matas. No one-way players at that price for this current team, please.

[Michael Jackson]

A trade that makes sense I think for both teams.

Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.

I guess it depends on how you feel about Kuminga and paying him $30-$35M. The parts I struggle with are that he's both a below-average defender and 3pt shooter. IMO you need to be able to shoot 3's (and ft's) to be a #1 option, and you need to be a decent defender if you are a #2. Coby, Giddey, Kuminga would be a big problem defensively.

The Kuminga price tag is really the issue. GSW does not want to pay him so he is going to highest bidder. They are looking for a S&T likely as he is UFA and really not many have enough capspace to sign him outright... Maybe 1-2 teams?

[boozapalooza]

The Bulls trade Coby White to the Magic for Jett Howard, Gary Harris, 16, and 25.

I definitely think the Magic will be trying to make a run at a guy like Coby. Have seen different variations of Jett and picks for him.

I say hell no. Jett Howard has shown nothing through 2 seasons. And the FRPs here aint that valuable. We can and should do much better in any Coby deal.

Anthony Black and Tristan Da Silva should be the young guys to target from ORL, along with picks.

[pipfan]

MPJ for Ayo/JSmith/PWill
Den saves $ and gets MUCH needed depth

Port pick for Dieng/#24
OKC saves $ and opens up roster spots, while moving a pick to the future
Bulls end up with

White/Ball/JCarter
Giddey/Huerter
MPJ/Phillips/Terry
Matas/Dieng
Vuc/Collins
Plus #12 and #24-looks VERY interesting to me

[WesPeace]

The Bulls trade Coby White to the Magic for Jett Howard, Gary Harris, 16, and 25.

Why would Magic do that?? No way..

I would trade Coby for #16 and #25 alone..

[jnrjr79]

A trade that makes sense I think for both teams.

Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.

I guess it depends on how you feel about Kuminga and paying him $30-$35M. The parts I struggle with are that he's both a below-average defender and 3pt shooter. IMO you need to be able to shoot 3's (and ft's) to be a #1 option, and you need to be a decent defender if you are a #2. Coby, Giddey, Kuminga would be a big problem defensively.

The Kuminga price tag is really the issue. GSW does not want to pay him so he is going to highest bidder. They are looking for a S&T likely as he is UFA and really not many have enough capspace to sign him outright... Maybe 1-2 teams?

To my understanding, Brooklyn is the only team currently slated to have cap space above the MLE/necessary to sign Kuminga.

[Chi town]

There are about to be a ridiculous amount of trades with the league being so wide open due to the 2nd apron, injuries, and the draft.

Big time shake ups. AK better not get duped and destroy our future.

[MrSparkle]

There are about to be a ridiculous amount of trades with the league being so wide open due to the 2nd apron, injuries, and the draft.

Big time shake ups. AK better not get duped and destroy our future.

Well, he’s already clogged the remaining decade’s books with a significant chunk for Patrick. Unless he has a dramatic turnaround, that’s just one unnecessary obstacle already in a league where cap relief will become even more important.

[Infinity2152]

There are about to be a ridiculous amount of trades with the league being so wide open due to the 2nd apron, injuries, and the draft.

Big time shake ups. AK better not get duped and destroy our future.

Well, he’s already clogged the remaining decade’s books with a significant chunk for Patrick. Unless he has a dramatic turnaround, that’s just one unnecessary obstacle already in a league where cap relief will become even more important.

While at the same time trading Zach for expirings, clearing up far more cap space than $18 mill, lol. Pat decision was poor, but not nearly crippling. Plus Vucevic is expiring. We're projected to be a top cap space team next summer. Drafting Matas correctly at 12 is a bigger impact than Pat's contract. It's not a given he drafts Matas, 11 other GM's passed on him. AK could have been the 12th.

Could be worse. Coud have kept Caruso, re-signed him to the same contract the Thunder signed him to, instead of trading him for Giddey. Criticizing him for cap management is unfair, imo. He's made far more good deals than bad in terms of re-signing players.

He's right about teams are going to be scrambling this summer and this season dealing with apron penalties, not just the financial sides. Add in repeater tax increase, our expiring contracts will be gold by the trade deadline. For teams that are not top 4 contenders, this is 10's to 100's of millions of actual dollars they're paying extra for an above average product. Explain that to your shareholders/owners. $30-$50 mill extra and not even top 10?

We're talking about Jrue Holiday and Derrick White trades with the Celtics, we should kill them in those trades. They're looking at over $200 mill in luxury tax alone and not top 5 without Tatum. Probably close to half a billion in cost, in a league with a $188 mill salary cap. The new owners are going to be THIRSTY for somebody to take those contracts. Brooklyn could probably get Holiday or White for a second round pick. Celtics save over $70-80 mill in actual cash. People think there's no way the new owners will trade Brown, they didn't sign that contract and Tatum wasn't out indefinitely. They could get a lot of assets, clear a ton of cap space and reset trading Brown.

[burlydee]

Who says no?

Milwaukee trades Giannis
Milwaukee receives: Reed, Sengun, Portland pick, 2025 phx pick, 2027 phoenix pick, 2029 Rockets pick, Carter (salary purposes), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls.

Bulls trade: Portland pick, Ball, Carter (or Terry), 2 2nd round picks from Bulls
Bulls receive Jabari Smith, Cam Whitmore

Rockets trade Sengun, Smith, phx 2025 (#10), phx 2027, 2029 Rockets pick, Cam Whitmore, Reed
Rockets receive Giannis, Ball

Milwaukee gets 4 first round picks, 2 seconds and q young center and guard to build around.

Rockets get Giannis and a backup guard who can play either spot and credibly shoot 3s. They also keep both their valuable wings - Green and Thompson as well as FVV, Eason and Brooks. They have a win now roster with room to grow. Plus their own picks too.

Bulls get a promising power forward prospect and a wing scorer for Ball, a first round pick, and some seconds.

I can't see HOU sending out Sengun, even for Giannis.

I think bc of salary reasons he 100% has to be part of the trade. I don't think FVV makes sense as the main player coming back.

[burlydee]

A trade that makes sense I think for both teams.

Vuc and Ball for Kuminga. Golden State gets a veteran big to help them diversify their offense and a guard who should fit into their system like a glove. Bulls get an athletic forward who compliments the up tempo style we want to play.

I guess it depends on how you feel about Kuminga and paying him $30-$35M. The parts I struggle with are that he's both a below-average defender and 3pt shooter. IMO you need to be able to shoot 3's (and ft's) to be a #1 option, and you need to be a decent defender if you are a #2. Coby, Giddey, Kuminga would be a big problem defensively.

The Kuminga price tag is really the issue. GSW does not want to pay him so he is going to highest bidder. They are looking for a S&T likely as he is UFA and really not many have enough capspace to sign him outright... Maybe 1-2 teams?

I think he ends up getting about $20-22 million a year. I don't think he's going to approach 30. Track record is not there.

Perhaps that puts us into JSmith/Ball range. Not sure who GS would prefer between Vuc and Smith ar this point although id assume Vuc.

At $22 million i can live with Kuminga. Think he can be a good scorer and defender with right coaching. Not a knock on Kerr, but development wise Golden State was probably the worst place imaginable.

[Infinity2152]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

[burlydee]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

I can't believe the Sixers would trade the #3 pick just to get off PGs contract.