Trade Ideas

[toooskies]

I don't love the deal but I do get it. Let's see if Hunter can learn how to pass.

What years are the swaps?

[JujitsuFlip]

I don't love the deal but I do get it. Let's see if Hunter can learn how to pass.

What years are the swaps?

I absolutely LOVE the deal.

-6'8" guy to play SF
-retained our 2031 1st rounder
-got under the tax
-now have 2 open roster spots for buyout candidates

This trade literally was as good as it gets, hit all the markers.

[ijspeelman]

RealGM has been down all day and I've been wanting to come here and talk about it lol.

Starting a separate thread for the Hunter trade

[JonFromVA]

I don't love the deal but I do get it. Let's see if Hunter can learn how to pass.

What years are the swaps?

Still haven't seen details on the swaps yet, possibly 2030 and 2031 unless we dogpiled on top of the swaps we owe Utah (*fingers crossed*).

One theory about Hunter's resurgence has to do with the Hawks adding Dyson Daniels. Hunter doesn't have to take on the toughest defensive assignments this season presumably leaving him healthier with more spring in his legs for shooting.

Hunter has a nice wingspan (7'2") and is good friends with Jerome (both form Cavaliers and champs at UVA). I mention his wingspan because so many of the guys we've considered over the years had next to nothing over Donovan Mitchell's 6'10" including the two guys we traded for Hunter, heck even Dean is listed at 6'10".

[toooskies]

I don't love the deal but I do get it. Let's see if Hunter can learn how to pass.

What years are the swaps?

Still haven't seen details on the swaps yet, possibly 2030 and 2031 unless we dogpiled on top of the swaps we owe Utah (*fingers crossed*).

One theory about Hunter's resurgence has to do with the Hawks adding Dyson Daniels. Hunter doesn't have to take on the toughest defensive assignments this season presumably leaving him healthier with more spring in his legs for shooting.

Hunter has a nice wingspan (7'2") and is good friends with Jerome (both form Cavaliers and champs at UVA). I mention his wingspan because so many of the guys we've considered over the years had next to nothing over Donovan Mitchell's 6'10" including the two guys we traded for Hunter, heck even Dean is listed at 6'10".

The swaps are ‘26 and ‘28 after swapping with Utah, so effectively meaningless. We gave up nothing of value but the players, more or less.

[JujitsuFlip]

I am oddly hoping for Ben Simmons. I think he just fits right in as a back-up 4/5. Obvi can't shoot, but he's an excellent switchable defender and extra passer where I think we could still play JA Simmons line-ups.

Between the yips and injuries, idk.

But we could obviously do worse.

For a buyout guy, it really can't get much better imo. They rarely impact teams, but he feels like a special case.

Well, it might be happening. We have a 33% chance to sign him.

Should just be for a prorated vet min, to keep us below the tax line.

He's meeting with the Cavs, Clippers, and Rockets today; to decide his next NBA home.

[jbk1234]

Between the yips and injuries, idk.

But we could obviously do worse.

For a buyout guy, it really can't get much better imo. They rarely impact teams, but he feels like a special case.

Well, it might be happening. We have a 33% chance to sign him.

Should just be for a prorated vet min, to keep us below the tax line.

He's meeting with the Cavs, Clippers, and Rockets today; to decide his next NBA home.

My issue with Simmons is I wouldn't try too hard to sell him on coming here. Him wanting to come here is good, and if he's okay in the role the Cavs ask him to assume, all the better. However, if he wants to show everyone he can still play PG, and thinks he's slotting in ahead of Ty, just pass. That would actually screw with chemistry.

The goal is another trophy in the cabinet, not to rehab his career so he can go out and get paid next summer. There should be no confusion on that front.

[JonFromVA]

For a buyout guy, it really can't get much better imo. They rarely impact teams, but he feels like a special case.

Well, it might be happening. We have a 33% chance to sign him.

Should just be for a prorated vet min, to keep us below the tax line.

He's meeting with the Cavs, Clippers, and Rockets today; to decide his next NBA home.

My issue with Simmons is I wouldn't try too hard to sell him on coming here. Him wanting to come here is good, and if he's okay in the role the Cavs ask him to assume, all the better. However, if he wants to show everyone he can still play PG, and thinks he's slotting in ahead of Ty, just pass. That would actually screw with chemistry.

The goal is another trophy in the cabinet, not to rehab his career so he can go out and get paid next summer. There should be no confusion on that front.

I think that goes without saying? At least I hope we're very up front about how we see him contributing.

And if Ben is capable of any introspection, he should realize pushing the ball in transition, while letting someone who can shoot the ball handle in the half court is to his benefit in an offense that moves the ball and will find ways to take advantage of his playmaking off of cuts, screens, and DHO's.

Heck, and while it would be wonderful if he was willing to set physical screens, even that's not a necessity in our offense.

[JujitsuFlip]

For a buyout guy, it really can't get much better imo. They rarely impact teams, but he feels like a special case.

Well, it might be happening. We have a 33% chance to sign him.

Should just be for a prorated vet min, to keep us below the tax line.

He's meeting with the Cavs, Clippers, and Rockets today; to decide his next NBA home.

My issue with Simmons is I wouldn't try too hard to sell him on coming here. Him wanting to come here is good, and if he's okay in the role the Cavs ask him to assume, all the better. However, if he wants to show everyone he can still play PG, and thinks he's slotting in ahead of Ty, just pass. That would actually screw with chemistry.

The goal is another trophy in the cabinet, not to rehab his career so he can go out and get paid next summer. There should be no confusion on that front.

Yup, i agree 100%. Both sides gonna have to be very upfront about his role.

If he can essentially play our back-up 5 minutes, his passing ability will work well here.

Only attempting 38 threes his entire career is gonna piss me off come playoff time, i assume lol

[JujitsuFlip]

Well... Starting to get some conflicting reports.

Ben's agent is saying he is not currently bought out, early stages of talking through next steps with the Nets but not talking or meeting with any other team.

THEN, you also have Amico saying that there's no race to sign Ben that the Rockets, Clippers, and Cavs just want gauge if he's a guy they even feel comfortable bringing into their locker room.

[jbk1234]

Koby Altman said he's not trading any of the core four guys and we're running it back today. He thinks there's more internal growth to come from Mobley. That, and the ability to stay healthy, really are the big questions for this group.

This is the right approach in my opinion. We're over the second apron and cap space is too tight this summer just in terms of trade logistics. Reduce the pick debt owed to the Jazz by another year. See if we can stay relatively healthy next postseason.

Next summer, there will be tons of cap. Hunter, Strus, and Okoro (assuming he's still here) will all be in the last year of their deals. Wade drops off the books. Mitchell will have one year before his P.O. (and possible extension at 35%) of the cap. Garland will have two years left and be extension eligible. Next summer seems like a much more natural inflection point in terms of moving forward.

[JujitsuFlip]

Koby Altman said he's not trading any of the core four guys and we're running it back today. He thinks there's more internal growth to come from Mobley. That, and the ability to stay healthy, really are the big questions for this group.

This is the right approach in my opinion. We're over the second apron and cap space is too tight this summer just in terms of trade logistics. Reduce the pick debt owed to the Jazz by another year. See if we can stay relatively healthy next postseason.

Next summer, there will be tons of cap. Hunter, Strus, and Okoro (assuming he's still here) will all be in the last year of their deals. Wade drops off the books. Mitchell will have one year before his P.O. (and possible extension at 35%) of the cap. Garland will have two years left and be extension eligible. Next summer seems like a much more natural inflection point in terms of moving forward.

Yup, I'd run the 8 of our top 10 back that are under contract.

Really need to try and get a half-way decent vet min PG and vet min C.

Not Neto and RoLo level though lol for sure not Ed Davis or Pangos level either. No more Tristan Kardashian either, that guy is cooked.

[JonFromVA]

Altman would be an idiot to say anything different until a deal that moved the needle in what he felt was the right direction fell in to his lap.

People seem to think we'd have to offer up Mobley and Garland for Giannis just to get in to the sweepstakes and I'm just not sure how that makes sense.

[jbk1234]

Altman would be an idiot to say anything different until a deal that moved the needle in what he felt was the right direction fell in to his lap.

People seem to think we'd have to offer up Mobley and Garland for Giannis just to get in to the sweepstakes and I'm just not sure how that makes sense.

Horst will definitely start off insisting on Mobley. Whether that position is sustainable as the summer wears on remains to be seen. The Rockets reportedly refuse to include Amen Thompson (which seems a little crazy to me). There's the where does Giannis want to end up factor that will inform trade partners in terms of what they're willing to offer. He'll only be under contract for two more seasons before his P.O.

From the Cavs perspective, he's a far better fit with Mobley at the 5 than Allen. Giannis needs spacing. He's also never played with someone quite as ball dominant as Mitchell in the playoffs so there's a risk there. I don't think Horst wants to trade him to an Eastern Conference competitor though. If there are similarly valued packages, I think the Bucks ship him West.

[toooskies]

Altman would be an idiot to say anything different until a deal that moved the needle in what he felt was the right direction fell in to his lap.

People seem to think we'd have to offer up Mobley and Garland for Giannis just to get in to the sweepstakes and I'm just not sure how that makes sense.

Horst will definitely start off insisting on Mobley. Whether that position is sustainable as the summer wears on remains to be seen. The Rockets reportedly refuse to include Amen Thompson (which seems a little crazy to me). There's the where does Giannis want to end up factor that will inform trade partners in terms of what they're willing to offer. He'll only be under contract for two more seasons before his P.O.

From the Cavs perspective, he's a far better fit with Mobley at the 5 than Allen. Giannis needs spacing. He's also never played with someone quite as ball dominant as Mitchell in the playoffs so there's a risk there. I don't think Horst wants to trade him to an Eastern Conference competitor though. If there are similarly valued packages, I think the Bucks ship him West.

Milwaukee is in a terrible position as a franchise if Giannis asks out. They've already traded their draft for the foreseeable future. Dame is out and is not guaranteed to be productive on his max deal when he returns. Allen and Garland for Giannis just put Milwaukee on their way to the play-in every year.

Which I guess might be better than being both bad and without any draft picks, but they need at least Mobley from the Cavs to talk with us-- or laundering Garland and Allen for youth/picks elsewhere (i.e. Allen to the Pelicans for their picks back, Garland to Portland for Scoot + more of their picks, etc.)

[jbk1234]

Altman would be an idiot to say anything different until a deal that moved the needle in what he felt was the right direction fell in to his lap.

People seem to think we'd have to offer up Mobley and Garland for Giannis just to get in to the sweepstakes and I'm just not sure how that makes sense.

Horst will definitely start off insisting on Mobley. Whether that position is sustainable as the summer wears on remains to be seen. The Rockets reportedly refuse to include Amen Thompson (which seems a little crazy to me). There's the where does Giannis want to end up factor that will inform trade partners in terms of what they're willing to offer. He'll only be under contract for two more seasons before his P.O.

From the Cavs perspective, he's a far better fit with Mobley at the 5 than Allen. Giannis needs spacing. He's also never played with someone quite as ball dominant as Mitchell in the playoffs so there's a risk there. I don't think Horst wants to trade him to an Eastern Conference competitor though. If there are similarly valued packages, I think the Bucks ship him West.

Milwaukee is in a terrible position as a franchise if Giannis asks out. They've already traded their draft for the foreseeable future. Dame is out and is not guaranteed to be productive on his max deal when he returns. Allen and Garland for Giannis just put Milwaukee on their way to the play-in every year.

Which I guess might be better than being both bad and without any draft picks, but they need at least Mobley from the Cavs to talk with us-- or laundering Garland and Allen for youth/picks elsewhere (i.e. Allen to the Pelicans for their picks back, Garland to Portland for Scoot + more of their picks, etc.)

I wouldn't give up Mobley but YMMV. I really wouldn't want to find myself in the Bucks position two years from now.

[toooskies]

Horst will definitely start off insisting on Mobley. Whether that position is sustainable as the summer wears on remains to be seen. The Rockets reportedly refuse to include Amen Thompson (which seems a little crazy to me). There's the where does Giannis want to end up factor that will inform trade partners in terms of what they're willing to offer. He'll only be under contract for two more seasons before his P.O.

From the Cavs perspective, he's a far better fit with Mobley at the 5 than Allen. Giannis needs spacing. He's also never played with someone quite as ball dominant as Mitchell in the playoffs so there's a risk there. I don't think Horst wants to trade him to an Eastern Conference competitor though. If there are similarly valued packages, I think the Bucks ship him West.

Milwaukee is in a terrible position as a franchise if Giannis asks out. They've already traded their draft for the foreseeable future. Dame is out and is not guaranteed to be productive on his max deal when he returns. Allen and Garland for Giannis just put Milwaukee on their way to the play-in every year.

Which I guess might be better than being both bad and without any draft picks, but they need at least Mobley from the Cavs to talk with us-- or laundering Garland and Allen for youth/picks elsewhere (i.e. Allen to the Pelicans for their picks back, Garland to Portland for Scoot + more of their picks, etc.)

I wouldn't give up Mobley but YMMV. I really wouldn't want to find myself in the Bucks position two years from now.

It depends on what the team's priorities are. I think Giannis would give us the best chance at a title the next two years. But the other sacrifices we'd need to make to even execute the deal (trading Garland or losing multiple guys to get under the 2nd apron) might not even make us better now.

[jbk1234]

Milwaukee is in a terrible position as a franchise if Giannis asks out. They've already traded their draft for the foreseeable future. Dame is out and is not guaranteed to be productive on his max deal when he returns. Allen and Garland for Giannis just put Milwaukee on their way to the play-in every year.

Which I guess might be better than being both bad and without any draft picks, but they need at least Mobley from the Cavs to talk with us-- or laundering Garland and Allen for youth/picks elsewhere (i.e. Allen to the Pelicans for their picks back, Garland to Portland for Scoot + more of their picks, etc.)

I wouldn't give up Mobley but YMMV. I really wouldn't want to find myself in the Bucks position two years from now.

It depends on what the team's priorities are. I think Giannis would give us the best chance at a title the next two years. But the other sacrifices we'd need to make to even execute the deal (trading Garland or losing multiple guys to get under the 2nd apron) might not even make us better now.

Despite playing with Brook Lopez over the last six seasons, Giannis has only advanced deep into the playoffs once during that time. We don't have a stretch 5 and it's not like there are a bunch we could go get. If you're a team like the Spurs, Knicks, or Pacers, I get it. If you're not, I see spacing as a real concern.

[JujitsuFlip]

Milwaukee is in a terrible position as a franchise if Giannis asks out. They've already traded their draft for the foreseeable future. Dame is out and is not guaranteed to be productive on his max deal when he returns. Allen and Garland for Giannis just put Milwaukee on their way to the play-in every year.

Which I guess might be better than being both bad and without any draft picks, but they need at least Mobley from the Cavs to talk with us-- or laundering Garland and Allen for youth/picks elsewhere (i.e. Allen to the Pelicans for their picks back, Garland to Portland for Scoot + more of their picks, etc.)

I wouldn't give up Mobley but YMMV. I really wouldn't want to find myself in the Bucks position two years from now.

It depends on what the team's priorities are. I think Giannis would give us the best chance at a title the next two years. But the other sacrifices we'd need to make to even execute the deal (trading Garland or losing multiple guys to get under the 2nd apron) might not even make us better now.

I hate a roster of the below. For a Cavs team that has had awful injury luck 4 seasons in a row.

Mitchell/CPJ/pick #58
Strus/Okoro
Hunter/Tyson
Giannis/Wade/Okeke
Allen/pick #49

That to me is just screaming all in with no depth, gutted in 2 years, tops.

[toooskies]

I wouldn't give up Mobley but YMMV. I really wouldn't want to find myself in the Bucks position two years from now.

It depends on what the team's priorities are. I think Giannis would give us the best chance at a title the next two years. But the other sacrifices we'd need to make to even execute the deal (trading Garland or losing multiple guys to get under the 2nd apron) might not even make us better now.

I hate a roster of the below. For a Cavs team that has had awful injury luck 4 seasons in a row.

Mitchell/CPJ/pick #58
Strus/Okoro
Hunter/Tyson
Giannis/Wade/Okeke
Allen/pick #49

That to me is just screaming all in with no depth, gutted in 2 years, tops.

If we trade Mobley + Garland for only Giannis we will be far enough under the apron to retain at least Merrill (or use the TMLE on, say, Yabusele or Capela or Lopez or Tyus Jones). We may instead end up taking back Connaughton or Portis.

Your point mostly stands if CPJ and Tyson don’t improve much, but they’ve both flashed. Maybe one or two of Tomlin/Bates/Travers pop too. Who’d have thought Jerome and Merrill would be solid rotation players two years ago?