Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porzingis. Who's gone?

[JujitsuFlip]

The issue is who is trading for these guys in a way that makes sense for the Celtics. No one has cap space like that besides maybe Brooklyn, and no one has expirings like that to send back.

KP is expiring and the Nets have no exaggeration 4 first rounders in the 2025 NBA draft. They're not trying to compete next season, he'll be a solid vet to their team.

That gets the Celtics out of the 2nd apron. Then to be able to fill out the roster and be comfortable, attach a 2nd to Hauser and trade him into one of the Hawks, Heat, Bulls, Pelicans, or Mavs trade exceptions.

Horford most likely retires, even if he doesn't, don't offer him one penny over the vet min.

Celts can dump kp on the nets..maybe offer a second. From the nets point of view they can try to flip an expiring kp for an additional asset.

Yup, should be one of the easiest trades Brad has ever had to make.

Nets are going to have like $80 million in cap space this summer, KP's $30 million won't even make a dent.

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, I think they are both gone, although I'd rather lose Brown than Jrue.

[MoreyWins]

Here's a delusional Celtics fan overvaluing Jaylen Brown and Jrue Holiday (who btw make $85.5M for the next THREE seasons):

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[iggymcfrack]

I was thinking of making a poll like this, but IDK how you don't include Jaylen Brown in here. Making $59MM/year over the next 4 years in his age 29-32 seasons. Is heavily reliant on athleticism and just put up his worst numbers since 2019. The Celtics have consistently been better with him on the bench than on the floor and sitting out than playing even during his prime. I'd say move all of Brown, Porzingis, and Holiday if you can. Tatum/White/Pritchard/Hauser and whatever you get back should be strong championship contenders in 2027.

[Curmudgeon]

I was thinking of making a poll like this, but IDK how you don't include Jaylen Brown in here. Making $59MM/year over the next 4 years in his age 29-32 seasons. Is heavily reliant on athleticism and just put up his worst numbers since 2019. The Celtics have consistently been better with him on the bench than on the floor and sitting out than playing even during his prime. I'd say move all of Brown, Porzingis, and Holiday if you can. Tatum/White/Pritchard/Hauser and whatever you get back should be strong championship contenders in 2027.

All true, but it seems clear to me that Brad Stevens overvalues Brown.

[iggymcfrack]

The issue is who is trading for these guys in a way that makes sense for the Celtics. No one has cap space like that besides maybe Brooklyn, and no one has expirings like that to send back.

What if you do a 3-teamer where Denver takes Jrue and Queta, Brooklyn takes Porzingis and Porter, and Boston gets Cam Johnson? Cam doesn’t quite fit the Nets timeline anyway so maybe if Denver adds a first and Boston adds several firsts you can get that done.

That would get Boston under both aprons, give Denver upgrades in the starting lineup and bench, and Brooklyn would only add $19MM in guaranteed salary after this season. Seems like a win/win/win.

[NO-KG-AI]

Can someone fill me in on this b/c my math isn't mathing. They're trying to shed salaries, but in the NBA, you pretty much have to come close to the salaries matching to get anything done. So yeah, Boston can trade KP but you're probably trading it for 2 players on expirings making $15 mil each correct? Also, is anyone going to trade for Jrue on that contract? I guess what I'm trying to say is, where are the savings coming from if all you're doing is swapping out one contract for two for the same amount of $?

You can trade for a lesser salary. A team with cap space can absorb the difference or the entire salary if they have enough space, or the team trading doe Porzingis for instance can send Boston a smaller salary(up to 25% smaller) and complete the trade. 2nd apron teams don’t have the same luxury of taking back a salary up to 25% higher in a trade.

Eg: A $25 mill contract can be sent to a team over the cap if they send back at least $20 mill.

[Wingy]

KP is expiring and the Nets have no exaggeration 4 first rounders in the 2025 NBA draft. They're not trying to compete next season, he'll be a solid vet to their team.

That gets the Celtics out of the 2nd apron. Then to be able to fill out the roster and be comfortable, attach a 2nd to Hauser and trade him into one of the Hawks, Heat, Bulls, Pelicans, or Mavs trade exceptions.

Horford most likely retires, even if he doesn't, don't offer him one penny over the vet min.

Celts can dump kp on the nets..maybe offer a second. From the nets point of view they can try to flip an expiring kp for an additional asset.

Yup, should be one of the easiest trades Brad has ever had to make.

Nets are going to have like $80 million in cap space this summer, KP's $30 million won't even make a dent.

Why are the Nets doing favors for a divisional foe that embarrassed the living **** out of them in recent trade memory?

For a 2nd rounder? Something you can just buy outright if you want. It’s not going to be easy to flip him either, else the Celtics wouldn’t theoretically be targeting the Nets in the first place.

I don’t see it happening. Let your opponent burn their cash.

[ShootersShoot]

Celts can dump kp on the nets..maybe offer a second. From the nets point of view they can try to flip an expiring kp for an additional asset.

Yup, should be one of the easiest trades Brad has ever had to make.

Nets are going to have like $80 million in cap space this summer, KP's $30 million won't even make a dent.

Why are the Nets doing favors for a divisional foe that embarrassed the living **** out of them in recent trade memory?

For a 2nd rounder? Something you can just buy outright if you want. It’s not going to be easy to flip him either, else the Celtics wouldn’t theoretically be targeting the Nets in the first place.

I don’t see it happening. Let your opponent burn their cash.

Expiring contracts are amongst the easiest to trade. The celts would be targeting the nets because they are the only team that feasibly can absorb a 30 mill contract outright assuming saving money for next season is the sole purpose of the trade for the celts.

Remember when the mavs took on andrew boguts expiring for a second so the warriors could sign KD? Teams do weird stuff for minimal assets all the time.

[Wingy]

Yup, should be one of the easiest trades Brad has ever had to make.

Nets are going to have like $80 million in cap space this summer, KP's $30 million won't even make a dent.

Why are the Nets doing favors for a divisional foe that embarrassed the living **** out of them in recent trade memory?

For a 2nd rounder? Something you can just buy outright if you want. It’s not going to be easy to flip him either, else the Celtics wouldn’t theoretically be targeting the Nets in the first place.

I don’t see it happening. Let your opponent burn their cash.

Expiring contracts are amongst the easiest to trade. The celts would be targeting the nets because they are the only team that feasibly can absorb a 30 mill contract outright assuming saving money for next season is the sole purpose of the trade for the celts.

Remember when the mavs took on andrew boguts expiring for a second so the warriors could sign KD? Teams do weird stuff for minimal assets all the time.

That was 9 years ago and before the aprons existed, and again, didn’t involve two teams where one of them was on the receiving end of one of the worst trade drubbings of all time.

[Curmudgeon]

So what are the Nets going to do with $70+ million in cap space? It's not as if free agents will flock there. If they can get a 7-3 unicorn for nothing, why not?

[bledredwine]

It's crazy how the tides turn. Porz was HUGE in their championship series, and we've come to this.

[Curmudgeon]

Porzingis hasn't been huge in the playoffs at all. That's the issue. He's highly skilled but fragile.

[Riverwalk2021]

Shoot Softizingis and Mazzulla to the moon and the Celtics get instantly better. Jrue was amazing in the POs last season but with Tatum out, he doesn't make sense on this team anymore. Trade White. He deserves to play for a contender every season.

[Riverwalk2021]

Porzingis hasn't been huge in the playoffs at all. That's the issue. He's highly skilled but fragile.

Physically and mentally fragile. Makes the team worse and softer. Put extra miles on Al and everybody else because you can't rely on him. An empty stats player.

[DaPessimist]

I think they can actually get some value for both of these guys. Quite a few teams right now who think they are just a piece away from contending.

[Lalouie]

celts were beset by woe

they have the best 6 when healthy

i don't understand the financials though but everyone is saying an overhaul is a n0-brainer

[shi-woo]

Here's a delusional Celtics fan overvaluing Jaylen Brown and Jrue Holiday (who btw make $85.5M for the next THREE seasons):

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I find it weird you think that's a lot. Do you think it's because of Jrue, and that Celtic's would need to add more because you think he is a dead contract?

As a Celtic fan, I think that is on the lower end of the value to expect in a Brown deal, let alone attaching Jrue. I'm more in the #2 and Vassell camp for Brown, and think that offer would blow this one out the water.

Jabari and Tari have not even shown the ability to make an AS game, so getting a legit finals MVP wing who's made All-NBA and averaged 25+ multiple times, would be a boon for the Rockets. Brown is still a 2 way player, in his prime, and one of the best wings in the NBA. There are not many players better than him in the league.

But really, a later lottery pick, energy bench wing, and underwhelming former #3 pick is not nearly enough for a player of Browns caliber. I suggested Reed, 10 and Brooks for White 28 and Hauser, and think that's more of a fair deal.

Value wise, Rockets kill this deal, as they are arguably getting the 2 best players, easily the best player for 2 dudes on their bench and a mid pick...You must really have no faith in Brown

[MoreyWins]

Here's a delusional Celtics fan overvaluing Jaylen Brown and Jrue Holiday (who btw make $85.5M for the next THREE seasons):

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I find it weird you think that's a lot. Do you think it's because of Jrue, and that Celtic's would need to add more because you think he is a dead contract?

As a Celtic fan, I think that is on the lower end of the value to expect in a Brown deal, let alone attaching Jrue. I'm more in the #2 and Vassell camp for Brown, and think that offer would blow this one out the water.

Jabari and Tari have not even shown the ability to make an AS game, so getting a legit finals MVP wing who's made All-NBA and averaged 25+ multiple times, would be a boon for the Rockets. Brown is still a 2 way player, in his prime, and one of the best wings in the NBA. There are not many players better than him in the league.

But really, a later lottery pick, energy bench wing, and underwhelming former #3 pick is not nearly enough for a player of Browns caliber. I suggested Reed, 10 and Brooks for White 28 and Hauser, and think that's more of a fair deal.

Value wise, Rockets kill this deal, as they are arguably getting the 2 best players, easily the best player for 2 dudes on their bench and a mid pick...You must really have no faith in Brown

No, I don't have faith that Jaylen Brown can be the #1 option to a team with championship aspirations. I don't think he's worth the money he's paid or the headache that'll present itself when Houston is forced to make more drastic consolidation moves. Boston gave the both of them a sweetheart deal to stay on the team with the impression that they'll be competing together for the next four years. Nobody would have given Jaylen or Jrue those contracts on the open market. If there's a big swing move to be made by Houston, Jaylen Brown would be near the bottom of the list of desired targets for me. You can save Jaylen Brown's resume for someone with less options than Houston. Running it back would be a better option than going all-in for Jaylen Brown.

Jabari is also more valuable to the Rockets than Bill Simmons (or anyone that doesn't watch the Rockets) thinks. Our defense and rebounding fell off a cliff without him this season. We're not getting a player back to supplement his role. He has All-Defensive potential. He only lost his starting spot because Amen Thompson is so good that Ime wants to play him as much as possible.

[DaddyCool19]

Jrue would be way more tradeable, if the last year was unguaranteed or a team option.

I have no idea why someone would offer a 34 y/o non All Star such a long and large contract. Especially with how scarce cap space was and how restrictive the Aprons are.