Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[statsman]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)?

Can't imagine the Nets being agreeable to this. Probably not even for one of those picks.

[Onus]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)?

Can't imagine the Nets being agreeable to this. Probably not even for one of those picks.

You don't think JK is worth the 26th pick? He just avg 25 ppg against one of the best 1v1 defenses in the league in Minnesota in the playoffs and is only 22.

Yaxel is about to be 23. Fleming is 21. Only Sorber is noticeably younger at 19.5. Most of these prospects at the mid to late 1st are 20-23 years old.

19+26 is maybe a stretch but I think they would jump at the chance to trade for JK for 26+27. They have 9 players on their team for next year with 3 restricted free agents. There's no way they actually keep their 5 (8, 19, 26, 27, and 36) draft picks.

[TrueFan420]

I kind of expect jk to come back and start next year. Would assume Kerr starts curry/podz/jk/jimmy/dray. Would really need podz to avg like 8 3s a game. He went from 3.2 attempts to 4.8. That’s a tall order.

Buddy would have to start with that unit

[Onus]

I kind of expect jk to come back and start next year. Would assume Kerr starts curry/podz/jk/jimmy/dray. Would really need podz to avg like 8 3s a game. He went from 3.2 attempts to 4.8. That’s a tall order.

Buddy would have to start with that unit

Yea probably or maybe even Post.

Curry/JK/Jimmy/Dray/Post

[vvoland]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)? Draft one of Sorber/Fleming/Lendebourg at 19 and then at 26 draft one of Clayton or Pettiford. We then fill 2 needs with cheap prospects in a 2 way big and a shot creator. At 41 we could then take one of the 3 and d prospects (Byrd, Powell, Proctor). We'd also have our full mle to fill out the roster

Curry/Clayton
Podz/Buddy/Byrd
Jimmy/MM
Dray/Santos
Post/Sorber/TJD

I'm still trying to understand the logic of trading a guy that can contribute right now for 2 draft picks that will, almost certainly, cost us games. Maybe we can move them if you think those picks have more value to other teams than JK but how does that help next year. The draft is exiting and young players offer more than just hope but, if you're about competing next year or beyond, JK needs to be moved for a starter/6man type (cobi white, at the worst). Otherwise, just keep him.

[statsman]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)?

Can't imagine the Nets being agreeable to this. Probably not even for one of those picks.

You don't think JK is worth the 26th pick?

Nope.

[vvoland]

Can't imagine the Nets being agreeable to this. Probably not even for one of those picks.

You don't think JK is worth the 26th pick?

Nope.

I have a feeling this will not age well.

[Onus]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)? Draft one of Sorber/Fleming/Lendebourg at 19 and then at 26 draft one of Clayton or Pettiford. We then fill 2 needs with cheap prospects in a 2 way big and a shot creator. At 41 we could then take one of the 3 and d prospects (Byrd, Powell, Proctor). We'd also have our full mle to fill out the roster

Curry/Clayton
Podz/Buddy/Byrd
Jimmy/MM
Dray/Santos
Post/Sorber/TJD

I'm still trying to understand the logic of trading a guy that can contribute right now for 2 draft picks that will, almost certainly, cost us games. Maybe we can move them if you think those picks have more value to other teams than JK but how does that help next year. The draft is exiting and young players offer more than just hope but, if you're about competing next year or beyond, JK needs to be moved for a starter/6man type (cobi white, at the worst). Otherwise, just keep him.

In the most important games JK wasn't in the rotation. So if you can get any production from his salary slot it'd be more beneficial. While yes young players do not win in the playoffs they can soak up a lot of minutes in the regular season to try to get our old guys some rest. The players i'm suggesting drafting aren't young guys that are raw. They're 22 (coming off a national championship game) and 23 year old (probably more worried about yaxel or sorber tbf) but we can supplement that rawness from the big position with Adams with the full mle.

[thunderdunk]

Whether you like JK or not, he definitely has value to someone. He's still young, he's been in the league for a few years, and if he continues to develop under the right system, he's a potential future all star. But at least to date, for whatever reasons, he just doesn't fit here.

I'm glad that he got some PT in the last series and played well. Who knows - with Steph in the lineup, the Dubs would have beaten Minny, and maybe he would have played well enough in the WCF to change the whole conversation. But anyway, I definitely don't want to see him walk for nothing, and I think someone out there will want to do a S&T that will work for everybody. So I'm optimistic about this. I trust that MDJ can come up with something that will work. Just not sure what. In any case, it will take at least three to tango -- MDJ, JK, and the other GM -- unless a third or fourth team needs to be involved to make it all work.

I think statsman is crazy if he thinks that the Nets can do better with their mid-to-late picks than JK. But I also wouldn't trade JK for a 19 and a 26. Pretty sure the Dubs can do better.

[HiRez]

Whether you like JK or not, he definitely has value to someone. He's still young, he's been in the league for a few years, and if he continues to develop under the right system, he's a potential future all star. But at least to date, for whatever reasons, he just doesn't fit here.

I'm glad that he got some PT in the last series and played well. Who knows - with Steph in the lineup, the Dubs would have beaten Minny, and maybe he would have played well enough in the WCF to change the whole conversation. But anyway, I definitely don't want to see him walk for nothing, and I think someone out there will want to do a S&T that will work for everybody. So I'm optimistic about this. I trust that MDJ can come up with something that will work. Just not sure what. In any case, it will take at least three to tango -- MDJ, JK, and the other GM -- unless a third or fourth team needs to be involved to make it all work.

I think statsman is crazy if he thinks that the Nets can do better with their mid-to-late picks than JK. But I also wouldn't trade JK for a 19 and a 26. Pretty sure the Dubs can do better.

MDJ seems to have a pretty good nose for out-of-lottery picks but unless they're flipping those picks for a veteran player, I have to vote no on it, I thought we were past that. Rookies and even any young players (like under 25) aren't going to work here on the Steph/Kerr timeline. They should have gone all-in on vets (preferably playoff-tested) 2-3 years ago but it's insane to think that draft picks are going to benefit them now.

First tier is move everyone but Steph, Draymond, and Jimmy for immediate help. Second tier is move everyone but Steph, probably the better option in a vacuum, but they won't do that because of continuity. But hoping the current youngsters will contribute or trying to find draft picks who will, should not be options at all. They had their chance and failed miserably, literally no one stepped up except maybe Kuminga and the repeatability of that, especially alongside Steph, is questionable.

[vvoland]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)? Draft one of Sorber/Fleming/Lendebourg at 19 and then at 26 draft one of Clayton or Pettiford. We then fill 2 needs with cheap prospects in a 2 way big and a shot creator. At 41 we could then take one of the 3 and d prospects (Byrd, Powell, Proctor). We'd also have our full mle to fill out the roster

Curry/Clayton
Podz/Buddy/Byrd
Jimmy/MM
Dray/Santos
Post/Sorber/TJD

I'm still trying to understand the logic of trading a guy that can contribute right now for 2 draft picks that will, almost certainly, cost us games. Maybe we can move them if you think those picks have more value to other teams than JK but how does that help next year. The draft is exiting and young players offer more than just hope but, if you're about competing next year or beyond, JK needs to be moved for a starter/6man type (cobi white, at the worst). Otherwise, just keep him.

In the most important games JK wasn't in the rotation. So if you can get any production from his salary slot it'd be more beneficial. While yes young players do not win in the playoffs they can soak up a lot of minutes in the regular season to try to get our old guys some rest. The players i'm suggesting drafting aren't young guys that are raw. They're 22 (coming off a national championship game) and 23 year old (probably more worried about yaxel or sorber tbf) but we can supplement that rawness from the big position with Adams with the full mle.

Sure, so trade him for Avdija or Cobi White, but draft picks? You're counting on late first rounders playing backup pg and C minutes in the playoffs? To a team that's trying to make a title run? I just don't see it happening for us and not sure when it happened.

I do hope he didn't play late because of the injury/ramp up/etc. but I get that hope is not a plan so I'm ok trading him. Not for draft picks, though.

[Onus]

I'm still trying to understand the logic of trading a guy that can contribute right now for 2 draft picks that will, almost certainly, cost us games. Maybe we can move them if you think those picks have more value to other teams than JK but how does that help next year. The draft is exiting and young players offer more than just hope but, if you're about competing next year or beyond, JK needs to be moved for a starter/6man type (cobi white, at the worst). Otherwise, just keep him.

In the most important games JK wasn't in the rotation. So if you can get any production from his salary slot it'd be more beneficial. While yes young players do not win in the playoffs they can soak up a lot of minutes in the regular season to try to get our old guys some rest. The players i'm suggesting drafting aren't young guys that are raw. They're 22 (coming off a national championship game) and 23 year old (probably more worried about yaxel or sorber tbf) but we can supplement that rawness from the big position with Adams with the full mle.

Sure, so trade him for Avdija or Cobi White, but draft picks? You're counting on late first rounders playing backup pg and C minutes in the playoffs? To a team that's trying to make a title run? I just don't see it happening for us and not sure when it happened.

I do hope he didn't play late because of the injury/ramp up/etc. but I get that hope is not a plan so I'm ok trading him. Not for draft picks, though.

Backup pg yes. Backup c no. Adams would be the backup c in the playoffs.

[Indomitable]

Would anyone S&T JK to Brooklyn for 2 of their 1sts (19 and 26)?

Can't imagine the Nets being agreeable to this. Probably not even for one of those picks.

You don't think JK is worth the 26th pick? He just avg 25 ppg against one of the best 1v1 defenses in the league in Minnesota in the playoffs and is only 22.

Yaxel is about to be 23. Fleming is 21. Only Sorber is noticeably younger at 19.5. Most of these prospects at the mid to late 1st are 20-23 years old.

19+26 is maybe a stretch but I think they would jump at the chance to trade for JK for 26+27. They have 9 players on their team for next year with 3 restricted free agents. There's no way they actually keep their 5 (8, 19, 26, 27, and 36) draft picks.

They have cap room. The Nets do not require your assistance.

[Onus]

Can't imagine the Nets being agreeable to this. Probably not even for one of those picks.

You don't think JK is worth the 26th pick? He just avg 25 ppg against one of the best 1v1 defenses in the league in Minnesota in the playoffs and is only 22.

Yaxel is about to be 23. Fleming is 21. Only Sorber is noticeably younger at 19.5. Most of these prospects at the mid to late 1st are 20-23 years old.

19+26 is maybe a stretch but I think they would jump at the chance to trade for JK for 26+27. They have 9 players on their team for next year with 3 restricted free agents. There's no way they actually keep their 5 (8, 19, 26, 27, and 36) draft picks.

They have cap room. The Nets do not require your assistance.

We can match and most likely will match any offer he gets. So if the nets really want him then they will need our assistance.

[Indomitable]

You don't think JK is worth the 26th pick? He just avg 25 ppg against one of the best 1v1 defenses in the league in Minnesota in the playoffs and is only 22.

Yaxel is about to be 23. Fleming is 21. Only Sorber is noticeably younger at 19.5. Most of these prospects at the mid to late 1st are 20-23 years old.

19+26 is maybe a stretch but I think they would jump at the chance to trade for JK for 26+27. They have 9 players on their team for next year with 3 restricted free agents. There's no way they actually keep their 5 (8, 19, 26, 27, and 36) draft picks.

They have cap room. The Nets do not require your assistance.

We can match and most likely will match any offer he gets. So if the nets really want him then they will need our assistance.

Then you are stuck with no cap room. Without any real way to improve your team.

Your team has 2 years at most left and you have no flexibility.

Brooklyn has cap room and no expectations. They will offer him the money and if you guys match. It does not help you.

It does not help the Warriors lack of size.

[Ilovethebay]

They have cap room. The Nets do not require your assistance.

We can match and most likely will match any offer he gets. So if the nets really want him then they will need our assistance.

Then you are stuck with no cap room. Without any real way to improve your team.

Your team has 2 years at most left and you have no flexibility.

Brooklyn has cap room and no expectations. They will offer him the money and if you guys match. It does not help you.

It does not help the Warriors lack of size.

This situation definitely has me worried. The Nets maybe looking at this very situation just to make sure they can meet the salary cap floor. If they want him I hope we at least come away with a big trade exception.

[Onus]

They have cap room. The Nets do not require your assistance.

We can match and most likely will match any offer he gets. So if the nets really want him then they will need our assistance.

Then you are stuck with no cap room. Without any real way to improve your team.

Your team has 2 years at most left and you have no flexibility.

Brooklyn has cap room and no expectations. They will offer him the money and if you guys match. It does not help you.

It does not help the Warriors lack of size.

Lacob has turned down Siakam, og, Caruso, Lauri for jk and you think lacob is just going to let jk walk for nothing?

[Onus]

I'm still trying to understand the logic of trading a guy that can contribute right now for 2 draft picks that will, almost certainly, cost us games. Maybe we can move them if you think those picks have more value to other teams than JK but how does that help next year. The draft is exiting and young players offer more than just hope but, if you're about competing next year or beyond, JK needs to be moved for a starter/6man type (cobi white, at the worst). Otherwise, just keep him.

In the most important games JK wasn't in the rotation. So if you can get any production from his salary slot it'd be more beneficial. While yes young players do not win in the playoffs they can soak up a lot of minutes in the regular season to try to get our old guys some rest. The players i'm suggesting drafting aren't young guys that are raw. They're 22 (coming off a national championship game) and 23 year old (probably more worried about yaxel or sorber tbf) but we can supplement that rawness from the big position with Adams with the full mle.

Sure, so trade him for Avdija or Cobi White, but draft picks? You're counting on late first rounders playing backup pg and C minutes in the playoffs? To a team that's trying to make a title run? I just don't see it happening for us and not sure when it happened.

I do hope he didn't play late because of the injury/ramp up/etc. but I get that hope is not a plan so I'm ok trading him. Not for draft picks, though.

Say we trade jk for either deni or coby, which free agents are you getting to fill out the roster?
Say we get coby how do you get a poa defender and center?

Coby and Deni are also green and never been to the playoffs so relying on them to perform in the playoffs is most likely just as fool hardy.

[Onus]

Bulls podcast saying we can rescind the qo to JK and then sign and trade him at a max of 3 years but then it would remove the 50% byc and can trade for the full amount. Anyone know if this is true?

Watch on YouTube

[vvoland]

In the most important games JK wasn't in the rotation. So if you can get any production from his salary slot it'd be more beneficial. While yes young players do not win in the playoffs they can soak up a lot of minutes in the regular season to try to get our old guys some rest. The players i'm suggesting drafting aren't young guys that are raw. They're 22 (coming off a national championship game) and 23 year old (probably more worried about yaxel or sorber tbf) but we can supplement that rawness from the big position with Adams with the full mle.

Sure, so trade him for Avdija or Cobi White, but draft picks? You're counting on late first rounders playing backup pg and C minutes in the playoffs? To a team that's trying to make a title run? I just don't see it happening for us and not sure when it happened.

I do hope he didn't play late because of the injury/ramp up/etc. but I get that hope is not a plan so I'm ok trading him. Not for draft picks, though.

Say we trade jk for either deni or coby, which free agents are you getting to fill out the roster?
Say we get coby how do you get a poa defender and center?

Coby and Deni are also green and never been to the playoffs so relying on them to perform in the playoffs is most likely just as fool hardy.

I don't think relying on avdija or white is nearly as risky as relying on two rookies to play minutes.

In terms of free agency, I think there are going to be a lot of players that get squeezed this summer and end up signing 1 year deals. If we get avdija (for just JK, let's pretend), I'd sign boucher and tyus for close to the min. Then I'd trade moody and a pick for cobi. All of a sudden, I have

Steph
Jimmy
Deni
Dray
Post/Boucher

Tyus
Podz
Cobi
Buddy
Boucher/post
Tjd
Gui

I realize it leaves us thin at the 5 but it's probably be fine for RS and come playoff time, we're closing with dray at 5 and either podz, cobi or buddy.