NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

Why would you guys like to ruin youth movement with some bad washed up PG13 or Durant trades??? Just uuuugh

How is trading three expiring vets for one vet and a number 3 pick rookie not leaning into a youth movement? Nobody's doing it to get PG13, lol. That pick could be our best young player. Giving up present cap space to add a 19-20 yr old star to Giddey/Matas seems consistent with a youth movement. Anything else we get from George would be extra.

[GuardianEnzo]

I saw that report re: Zion and wondered whether it's actually legit or if it's a ploy to increase his market value.

I think it pretty transparently is just that.

You guys thinks it increases his market value by taking him off the market after his season is already over? In a summer when Ja and Giannis may be available? Ballsy move. Once the first big moves get made, harder and harder to find trades. Teams aren't going to ignore his injury history because he's taken off the block, just going to result in less teams calling.

They're not taking him off the market, they's saying they're taking him off the market. As opposed to saying "we're done with him and want him out at any cost".

[Clint Eastwood]

3 trades that make sense to me between Bulls and Mavs. Mavs need guard help for sure, and when Irving returns, that guard help should be a good defensive compliment. They have front court depth to spare, with Davis, Lively and Flagg set to dominate their front court.

Ayo and jevon carter for gafford works
Ayo and jevon carter for PJ washington works
Ayo and vuc for gafford and Pj washington works

I think the 3rd one makes a lot of sense for both teams. Helps bridge irving recovery, and when irving returns ayo is the perfect compliment to that backcourt. It gives a bench big or starter in vuc who pairs well with davis’s defensive abilities. For bulls, we get a rim running shot blocker to pair with giddey. We get a player in PJ who is what we hoped Pat will was going to be.

Gafford/collins/smith
PJ washington/matas/pat will
Matas/huerter/pat will/phillips
Coby/huerter/lonzo
Giddey/lonzo/tre jones


Is how is see roster breakdown after.

[sco]

3 trades that make sense to me between Bulls and Mavs. Mavs need guard help for sure, and when Irving returns, that guard help should be a good defensive compliment. They have front court depth to spare, with Davis, Lively and Flagg set to dominate their front court.

Ayo and jevon carter for gafford works
Ayo and jevon carter for PJ washington works
Ayo and vuc for gafford and Pj washington works

I think the 3rd one makes a lot of sense for both teams. Helps bridge irving recovery, and when irving returns ayo is the perfect compliment to that backcourt. It gives a bench big or starter in vuc who pairs well with davis’s defensive abilities. For bulls, we get a rim running shot blocker to pair with giddey. We get a player in PJ who is what we hoped Pat will was going to be.

Gafford/collins/smith
PJ washington/matas/pat will
Matas/huerter/pat will/phillips
Coby/huerter/lonzo
Giddey/lonzo/tre jones


Is how is see roster breakdown after.

I think you are way overvaluing Ayo's value after a terrible season resulting in season-ending surgery. They can get way more value for Gafford and no way we can also get PJ in that deal. I think we'd need to include Coby to get Gafford and I don't think we have enough to get PJ without picks thrown in.

[Clint Eastwood]

3 trades that make sense to me between Bulls and Mavs. Mavs need guard help for sure, and when Irving returns, that guard help should be a good defensive compliment. They have front court depth to spare, with Davis, Lively and Flagg set to dominate their front court.

Ayo and jevon carter for gafford works
Ayo and jevon carter for PJ washington works
Ayo and vuc for gafford and Pj washington works

I think the 3rd one makes a lot of sense for both teams. Helps bridge irving recovery, and when irving returns ayo is the perfect compliment to that backcourt. It gives a bench big or starter in vuc who pairs well with davis’s defensive abilities. For bulls, we get a rim running shot blocker to pair with giddey. We get a player in PJ who is what we hoped Pat will was going to be.

Gafford/collins/smith
PJ washington/matas/pat will
Matas/huerter/pat will/phillips
Coby/huerter/lonzo
Giddey/lonzo/tre jones


Is how is see roster breakdown after.

I think you are way overvaluing Ayo's value after a terrible season resulting in season-ending surgery. They can get way more value for Gafford and no way we can also get PJ in that deal. I think we'd need to include Coby to get Gafford and I don't think we have enough to get PJ without picks thrown in.

Honestly, I think you are undervaluing Ayo. But I would trade coby and vuc if it got us gafford and PJ in return.

Remember, gafford has had injury as well, and both will be coming off the bench going forward if they stay on Dallas.

[Almost Retired]

What are the Thunder going to do with 2 First Round picks this year? They've got 14 guys on contract already. Maybe they would swap out one of those picks for a future 1st? Talk about an embarrassment of riches. The difference between the front office of the Thunder and the AKME regime is glaring.

[Infinity2152]

What are the Thunder going to do with 2 First Round picks this year? They've got 14 guys on contract already. Maybe they would swap out one of those picks for a future 1st? Talk about an embarrassment of riches. The difference between the front office of the Thunder and the AKME regime is glaring.

Thunder were incredibly lucky, lol. Traded George for SGA, Gallinari, and five first round picks plus pick swaps, one of which is Jalen Wiliams. Great move, but SGA becoming a MVP level player and #12 pick Jalen Williams becoming an All-Star has a LOT to do with where the Thunder are. AK's luck, sign a great young PG who takes us to first in the conference and he's injured for three years. Our number 4 pick who showed great potential is a complete bust. Don't know that the Bulls have had a player since AK has been here who would draw a similar offer to that Thunder deal.

Ball stays healthy, Pat Will is as good as Jalen Williams, we'd have been to at least one Conference Finals, imo. Biggest cause of the Bulls downfall to me was drafting Williams instead of Haliburton. We'd all be singing way different tunes and the team would be way different.

Reports coming out Warriors targeting Derrick White in trade. Could affect our Vuc/Kuminga trade possibilities. Sure we could beat a Warriors offer for White. League circles believe the Celtics will be in fire sale mode this summer. One problem with White is I think he has a 15% trade kicker, but would be great to add him if he waives that. Also seeing more and more people saying Bulls are targeting Kuminga in S&T. Saying the Heat and Nets are interested, do NOT want to get into a bidding war and overpay Kuminga.

[Chi town]

Kuminga is fool’s gold. Empty calories. He’d put up big numbers with Giddey and our pace but it wouldn’t be winning ball. He’s more athlete than hooper.

Celts will only trade White if they can’t unload Jrue

[Infinity2152]

Kuminga is fool’s gold. Empty calories. He’d put up big numbers with Giddey and our pace but it wouldn’t be winning ball. He’s more athlete than hooper.

Celts will only trade White if they can’t unload Jrue

Agree about Kuminga. What's Holiday's market? Presume they would want expirings, who besides the Bulls (and we shouldn't), who's giving up $32.4 mill in expiring contracts for the privilege of adding 35 year old Holiday with two more years on his contract? The few teams I can think of that might do it, and have an open starting guard spot, don't have the expirings they could give up without hurting the team enough to make the trade moot. Think the Celtics can only trade 1 future crap pick.

The money is close between White and Holiday. Holiday they may have to give a pick to move, White might bring a pick or two back for expirings. If you're saving about the same money, and you're not focused on winning this year, which looks more attractive? Assuming the main point is money. Not like White is a tier above Holiday as an actual player or on the court performance. Jrue career low per 36 last year, White career high, 5 years younger, return and team interest will be way different. Bucks would prefer to trade Lillard before Giannis too. White's like the fourth or fifth best player, can't see him being off limits. Porzingas is more valuable to the Celtics, imo. 7'2, PER 22, TS 62%, 41% 3pt, 24 pts, 8.4 rbs, 1 steal 2 blocks per 36 last year. And a year younger than White.

[WesPeace]

I would swap Derrick for Coby and Dalen Terry.. DW is great player and still undervalued after all these last years with Celtics. Also his contract aint bad at all for what he brings, legit 3&D weapon.

[pipfan]

Port pick for #24/Dieng

This makes sense for both
Port pick should be a #15-17 in the next 3 years
OKC saves $ and roster spots

We add a young talent who needs minutes and a pick now

[sco]

Port pick for #24/Dieng

This makes sense for both
Port pick should be a #15-17 in the next 3 years
OKC saves $ and roster spots

We add a young talent who needs minutes and a pick now

I would think OKC could do better for that package, but sign me up.

[Infinity2152]

Think the best deal we can do for that Portland pick is trade it back to Portland. It would mean way more to them than anyone else, frees their picks up for trade. Seems like one has to go between Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, and Anfernee Simons. Would love a package where they get their pick back plus Ayo for Sharpe. Or they own pick 11 now, trade them their pick back plus a second or two for pick 11. They lose a little in pick value, but gain a ton of flexibility. They have quite a few players who should be on the block and ability to add picks helps a lot.

[sco]

Think the best deal we can do for that Portland pick is trade it back to Portland. It would mean way more to them than anyone else, frees their picks up for trade. Seems like one has to go between Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, and Anfernee Simons. Would love a package where they get their pick back plus Ayo for Sharpe. Or they own pick 11 now, trade them their pick back plus a second or two for pick 11. They lose a little in pick value, but gain a ton of flexibility. They have quite a few players who should be on the block and ability to add picks helps a lot.

I totally agree. POR is in an interesting place. The have a bunch of high picks who show varying degrees of promise. They have 3 good guards and 3 good C's, they have Deni, who had a breakout season. They are in a good position to trade for a star. Taking off the restrictions of our pick, could benefit them in terms of putting together a package of future picks to get someone. Separately, I read somewhere that ORL is targeting Simons.

[Infinity2152]

Think the best deal we can do for that Portland pick is trade it back to Portland. It would mean way more to them than anyone else, frees their picks up for trade. Seems like one has to go between Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, and Anfernee Simons. Would love a package where they get their pick back plus Ayo for Sharpe. Or they own pick 11 now, trade them their pick back plus a second or two for pick 11. They lose a little in pick value, but gain a ton of flexibility. They have quite a few players who should be on the block and ability to add picks helps a lot.

I totally agree. POR is in an interesting place. The have a bunch of high picks who show varying degrees of promise. They have 3 good guards and 3 good C's, they have Deni, who had a breakout season. They are in a good position to trade for a star. Taking off the restrictions of our pick, could benefit them in terms of putting together a package of future picks to get someone. Separately, I read somewhere that ORL is targeting Simons.

When you look at their highly paid players, it gets worse. Ayton at $35 mill, Grant at $32 mill and Simons at $27 mill. Robert Williams getting $13 mill next season, played 20 games last season, no place to play him. Thybulle at $11.5 mill. That's a lot of money spent for no real stars. And the only players you'd want off their team are on rookie contracts. Horrible cap management. You're right, star trade is a must, they're stuck in the middle.

[Chi town]

Think the best deal we can do for that Portland pick is trade it back to Portland. It would mean way more to them than anyone else, frees their picks up for trade. Seems like one has to go between Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, and Anfernee Simons. Would love a package where they get their pick back plus Ayo for Sharpe. Or they own pick 11 now, trade them their pick back plus a second or two for pick 11. They lose a little in pick value, but gain a ton of flexibility. They have quite a few players who should be on the block and ability to add picks helps a lot.

I totally agree. POR is in an interesting place. The have a bunch of high picks who show varying degrees of promise. They have 3 good guards and 3 good C's, they have Deni, who had a breakout season. They are in a good position to trade for a star. Taking off the restrictions of our pick, could benefit them in terms of putting together a package of future picks to get someone. Separately, I read somewhere that ORL is targeting Simons.

Blazers are a playoff team next year if they get a legit vet PG to show Scoot the ropes.

[Am2626]

Kuminga is fool’s gold. Empty calories. He’d put up big numbers with Giddey and our pace but it wouldn’t be winning ball. He’s more athlete than hooper.

Celts will only trade White if they can’t unload Jrue

I think the Bulls need to take a chance on Kuminga. It’s not the worst possible thing if the Bulls lose a lot of games next year. They need more talent and the draft is the best way to improve the roster.

Kuminga has lots of talent and is very young. He has a chance to be a star. Agreed he may not live up to his potential but the Bulls don’t have many options to improve.

[WesPeace]

Think the best deal we can do for that Portland pick is trade it back to Portland. It would mean way more to them than anyone else, frees their picks up for trade. Seems like one has to go between Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, and Anfernee Simons. Would love a package where they get their pick back plus Ayo for Sharpe. Or they own pick 11 now, trade them their pick back plus a second or two for pick 11. They lose a little in pick value, but gain a ton of flexibility. They have quite a few players who should be on the block and ability to add picks helps a lot.

I totally agree. POR is in an interesting place. The have a bunch of high picks who show varying degrees of promise. They have 3 good guards and 3 good C's, they have Deni, who had a breakout season. They are in a good position to trade for a star. Taking off the restrictions of our pick, could benefit them in terms of putting together a package of future picks to get someone. Separately, I read somewhere that ORL is targeting Simons.

When you look at their highly paid players, it gets worse. Ayton at $35 mill, Grant at $32 mill and Simons at $27 mill. Robert Williams getting $13 mill next season, played 20 games last season, no place to play him. Thybulle at $11.5 mill. That's a lot of money spent for no real stars. And the only players you'd want off their team are on rookie contracts. Horrible cap management. You're right, star trade is a must, they're stuck in the middle.

Not that bad contracts for todays standards and they basically have bunch of expirings next season. They will have ton of flexibility..

[boozapalooza]

Think the best deal we can do for that Portland pick is trade it back to Portland. It would mean way more to them than anyone else, frees their picks up for trade. Seems like one has to go between Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Sharpe, and Anfernee Simons. Would love a package where they get their pick back plus Ayo for Sharpe. Or they own pick 11 now, trade them their pick back plus a second or two for pick 11. They lose a little in pick value, but gain a ton of flexibility. They have quite a few players who should be on the block and ability to add picks helps a lot.

For sure love the idea of doing something with Portland to give them their pick back. Feels like Sharpe would cost far more, but maybe an Ayo/POR pick deal could be made for the other two.

Scoot could be a solid buy low player similar to what we got with Giddey last year. He’d be a great 6th man/spark plug off the bench.

[boozapalooza]

The PG + #3 package was mentioned for Kevin Durant or Lauri Markkanen, well above Coby's grade. I don't even know if Lauri would be good enough after his down year.

Coby’s trade value is on par with Lauri, imo. I would love to make the PG and #3 deal just because I believe Ace Bailey has enough upside to take a swing on. Could be a special player. I just don’t see Coby appealing to Philly given they have Maxey and McCain. Coby would be redundant there and surely isn’t the missing piece they really need. KD and Lauri much better fits for them.