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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap 

Post#441 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue May 20, 2025 12:32 pm

ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.


PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.
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Post#442 » by Archx » Tue May 20, 2025 12:32 pm

ACMFFL wrote:
Archx wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.


That would be a dream but i feel like he'll get a better offer somewhere.


Yeah, unfortunately we can only offer 140% of his current salary. I think too he will test his market in FA.


They'll have his Bird rights, so that's not an issue.

Michaellam1987 wrote:I think we are over 2nd apron after including the deadweight money for McGee. That is why we currently have nothing that can offer in the FA market. We need to dump Hardy/Powell/Omax to lower our salary, so that we can get our mini MLE back to spend it wisely in the FA market for a point guard.


Here you go.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total
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Post#443 » by arkuo » Tue May 20, 2025 12:34 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.


PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.


This is correct.

If I had the choice, Gaff and Klay need to be offloaded. Gaff and AD at the same time on the court doesn't have much synergy
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Post#444 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue May 20, 2025 12:36 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Archx wrote:
That would be a dream but i feel like he'll get a better offer somewhere.


Yeah, unfortunately we can only offer 140% of his current salary. I think too he will test his market in FA.


It would suck to lose PJ for on- and off-the-court reasons. He's a team first, as tough as they come, and he was a huge part of last year's Finals run. AD is a clown and should be the one moved.


AD is the ONLY player that can perform in the big stage. The only problem is that he needs someone to share the workload and create for him to boost his efficiency. Even Klay can give you something offensively, when the opponent chase him all the time in the 3 point line as we don’t have other reliable shooter on the floor. Don’t get me wrong. I like PJ, I like Naji. They are maverick fan favourites. But they are role players, we can never count on them in big stage. We need 2 real star players to be successful. Trading away one wont help at all.
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Post#445 » by Archx » Tue May 20, 2025 12:39 pm

arkuo wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.


PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.


This is correct.

If I had the choice, Gaff and Klay need to be offloaded. Gaff and AD at the same time on the court doesn't have much synergy


On top of that. They have to start seriously thinking about developing Lively even further. You can't have him constantly playing around 20 mins because he has to share a spot with 2 additional centers in AD and Gaff... They have to find a way to play him for 30+ mins. Otherwise what's the point, right? He'll just stay as he is with no further development.
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Post#446 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue May 20, 2025 12:39 pm

Archx wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Archx wrote:
That would be a dream but i feel like he'll get a better offer somewhere.


Yeah, unfortunately we can only offer 140% of his current salary. I think too he will test his market in FA.


They'll have his Bird rights, so that's not an issue.

Michaellam1987 wrote:I think we are over 2nd apron after including the deadweight money for McGee. That is why we currently have nothing that can offer in the FA market. We need to dump Hardy/Powell/Omax to lower our salary, so that we can get our mini MLE back to spend it wisely in the FA market for a point guard.


Here you go.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total


If include the first year of Flagg’s salary, then we will be over the 2nd apron.
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Post#447 » by Archx » Tue May 20, 2025 12:43 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
Archx wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Yeah, unfortunately we can only offer 140% of his current salary. I think too he will test his market in FA.


They'll have his Bird rights, so that's not an issue.

Michaellam1987 wrote:I think we are over 2nd apron after including the deadweight money for McGee. That is why we currently have nothing that can offer in the FA market. We need to dump Hardy/Powell/Omax to lower our salary, so that we can get our mini MLE back to spend it wisely in the FA market for a point guard.


Here you go.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total


If include the first year of Flagg’s salary, then we will be over the 2nd apron.


They'll have aprox 2.2M wiggle room until the 2nd apron. Any vet min contract and they'll be over.
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Post#448 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue May 20, 2025 12:52 pm

Archx wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
Archx wrote:
They'll have his Bird rights, so that's not an issue.



Here you go.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_total


If include the first year of Flagg’s salary, then we will be over the 2nd apron.


They'll have aprox 2.2M wiggle room until the 2nd apron. Any vet min contract and they'll be over.


Really get lost on how you get 2.2M. Per summary, we are only 12.5M under 2nd apron. But Flagg first year salary is 13.8M
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Post#449 » by Teffer10 » Tue May 20, 2025 12:53 pm

Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.


This is correct.

If I had the choice, Gaff and Klay need to be offloaded. Gaff and AD at the same time on the court doesn't have much synergy


On top of that. They have to start seriously thinking about developing Lively even further. You can't have him constantly playing around 20 mins because he has to share a spot with 2 additional centers in AD and Gaff... They have to find a way to play him for 30+ mins. Otherwise what's the point, right? He'll just stay as he is with no further development.

I would normally agree with this but I'm not sure Lively playing 30 mins is a good thing considering his injury history. Gaff needs to be traded, but we better have a solid backup if we trade him. I like Brown better than Jones as a replacement, or the combination of Jones and Sharp (2-way).
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Post#450 » by daoneandonly » Tue May 20, 2025 12:54 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:
Yeah, unfortunately we can only offer 140% of his current salary. I think too he will test his market in FA.


It would suck to lose PJ for on- and off-the-court reasons. He's a team first, as tough as they come, and he was a huge part of last year's Finals run. AD is a clown and should be the one moved.


AD is the ONLY player that can perform in the big stage. The only problem is that he needs someone to share the workload and create for him to boost his efficiency. Even Klay can give you something offensively, when the opponent chase him all the time in the 3 point line as we don’t have other reliable shooter on the floor. Don’t get me wrong. I like PJ, I like Naji. They are maverick fan favourites. But they are role players, we can never count on them in big stage. We need 2 real star players to be successful. Trading away one wont help at all.


PJ hit the game winner against OKC which advanced us in the playoffs. AD would have sat that game out because he got a paper cut from the $100 bill in his wallet
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Post#451 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue May 20, 2025 12:55 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.


PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.


We can’t rebuild right now, unless we tank hard and target to draft another cornerstone player in 2026 draft. After that we don’t have control of our own pick for quite some years.
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Post#452 » by ACMFFL » Tue May 20, 2025 12:55 pm

Mavs 25/26 payroll:
54,13 Davis
44,96 Irving [PLAYER OPTION]
16,67 Thompson
14,65 Washington
14,39 Gafford
13,83 Flagg
10,41 Martin
9,00 Marshall
7,71 Christie
6,00 Hardy
5,25 Lively
4,00 Powell [PLAYER OPTION]
3,01 Prosper
2,27 Williams [NON-GRT]
(2,21 McGee) deadmoney

TOT: 208,49M committed to 14 players.
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Post#453 » by arkuo » Tue May 20, 2025 12:57 pm

Archx wrote:
arkuo wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.


This is correct.

If I had the choice, Gaff and Klay need to be offloaded. Gaff and AD at the same time on the court doesn't have much synergy


On top of that. They have to start seriously thinking about developing Lively even further. You can't have him constantly playing around 20 mins because he has to share a spot with 2 additional centers in AD and Gaff... They have to find a way to play him for 30+ mins. Otherwise what's the point, right? He'll just stay as he is with no further development.


This.

Which is why I'm in favor of starting Lively. He needs court time. We know he's better than Mitchell Robinson and what he's currently doing in NY now. But he has to show us. Give him 35 mins a night at C. AD closes at C in the 4th quarter for the time being.

Lively's part of Flagg's timeline now. He needs to develop into something.
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Post#454 » by ACMFFL » Tue May 20, 2025 12:57 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
ACMFFL wrote:I think Mavs should look to lock up PJ, if he's willing to extend. 89/4 is a great deal for a quality starting caliber forward, then we could move him, if needed, for even more value in the future.


PJ in the 20-22M range (like Aaron Gordon ) is a bargain and he Kidd loves him so i think they will do everything to resign him

Gafford is gone. I hope just not to Lakers.

I prefer to trade AD for something younger and healthy but until Harrison is around here that's impossible. I know.

Our 2/3 Window is ended with Kyrie injury, trade everyone older than 26yo e start a new Mavs era. Please.


We can’t rebuild right now, unless we tank hard and target to draft another cornerstone player in 2026 draft. After that we don’t have control of our own pick for quite some years.


You could easily get them back by trading AD, those picks value has decreased a lot since we won the lottery.
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Post#455 » by arkuo » Tue May 20, 2025 12:59 pm

Prior to the Doncic trade, AD was in the MVP conversation. I think we are severely underrating him. He's still All NBA on both sides. The trade messed up both Luka and AD's mind but both should be back on track after a full camp.
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Post#456 » by Michaellam1987 » Tue May 20, 2025 1:00 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
It would suck to lose PJ for on- and off-the-court reasons. He's a team first, as tough as they come, and he was a huge part of last year's Finals run. AD is a clown and should be the one moved.


AD is the ONLY player that can perform in the big stage. The only problem is that he needs someone to share the workload and create for him to boost his efficiency. Even Klay can give you something offensively, when the opponent chase him all the time in the 3 point line as we don’t have other reliable shooter on the floor. Don’t get me wrong. I like PJ, I like Naji. They are maverick fan favourites. But they are role players, we can never count on them in big stage. We need 2 real star players to be successful. Trading away one wont help at all.


PJ hit the game winner against OKC which advanced us in the playoffs. AD would have sat that game out because he got a paper cut from the $100 bill in his wallet


If you use 1 game or 1 series to define PJ being better than AD, or you would rather keep PJ over AD. Then I really have nothing to say. For me, I prefer having Irving/AD as the clear cut all star level 1/2 punch.
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Post#457 » by arkuo » Tue May 20, 2025 1:01 pm

AD is a few levels above PJ man. C'mon.
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Post#458 » by ACMFFL » Tue May 20, 2025 1:05 pm

arkuo wrote:Prior to the Doncic trade, AD was in the MVP conversation. I think we are severely underrating him. He's still All NBA on both sides. The trade messed up both Luka and AD's mind but both should be back on track after a full camp.


Imho he's a top10 player when healthy, best big man in the game only behind Jokic and Giannis (still not sold at all on Wemby offensive potential). Huge problem is he's not reliable and that's even worst considering how bad our med staff is. I feel too nervous to build the team around him, that's why I'd rather move him at his peak value.
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Post#459 » by daoneandonly » Tue May 20, 2025 1:09 pm

Michaellam1987 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Michaellam1987 wrote:
AD is the ONLY player that can perform in the big stage. The only problem is that he needs someone to share the workload and create for him to boost his efficiency. Even Klay can give you something offensively, when the opponent chase him all the time in the 3 point line as we don’t have other reliable shooter on the floor. Don’t get me wrong. I like PJ, I like Naji. They are maverick fan favourites. But they are role players, we can never count on them in big stage. We need 2 real star players to be successful. Trading away one wont help at all.


PJ hit the game winner against OKC which advanced us in the playoffs. AD would have sat that game out because he got a paper cut from the $100 bill in his wallet


If you use 1 game or 1 series to define PJ being better than AD, or you would rather keep PJ over AD. Then I really have nothing to say. For me, I prefer having Irving/AD as the clear cut all star level 1/2 punch.


Never said PJ was better, I said Dallas should keep him over AD and there are many reasons why

1. AD's trade value would return much better pieces
2. PJ is closer to Flagg's timeline
3. PJ is more available and a better teammate
4. PJ's new contract will be less expensive, so more flexibility
5. PJ is willing to do anything asked of him, AD is not.
6. West is stacked, Dallas sint going anywhere this year with Ky out. So waste to have AD at his age
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Post#460 » by arkuo » Tue May 20, 2025 1:12 pm

We've had enough a sample size and R&D to say that Kyrie is at his best if he goes berserk in the 4th quarter. Best 4th quarter scorer in the game.

So any guard they get has to be able to carry a playoff level offense for 3 quarters. I suggest someone of quality rather than a stop gap solution that would make us search for a new guy every season.

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