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[Baddy Chuck]

KPJ/Vassell/AJG/Bobby/Sims with Harper/Rollins/Tyler Smith/14/2nd rounder is a nice start to a rebuild.

That looks pretty miserable .

If you want miserable, take a look at the 2027-28 Bucks if Giannis walks in free agency and they don’t have their next four firsts.

(Since people are legit proposing trading an unprotected 31 first for one season of Sexton)

If you want to trade Giannis I can't really blame you. Trading him to San Antonio for essentially just the second pick and a mishmash of stuff San Antonio wouldn't give a **** about losing is gross. You talk about leaving them with enough to be contenders like they wouldn't have an MVP candidate, the best prospect since LeBron and an all-star. You could absolutely gut them and they'd be a contender. You don't get Castle, who beat out a weak crop for ROTY but isn't exactly a top tier prospect. Hell, they got him at 4 in the weakest draft in recent history. Can't even pull Sochan who is probably their best asset outside of Castle/#2? Don't pull some type of deal to get some of your own picks back, the ones you do get aren't really looking that prosperous at all, its just a collection of picks with nothing standing out and because of that you have to trot out some 30 win roster of guys you probably rather piece out for more assets or just let walk. I'm not super high on Harper/Bailey, so maybe that's where we differ. If Flagg is the S tier prospect, are they even like an A tier? To me they're probably closer to a B tier, like some Brandon Miller/Scoot level consolation. Hell, you aint even got him starting over KPJ. That's just miserable. If you're trading Giannis you'd better be getting damn near like the best package a player has ever pulled, that package wouldn't even make San Antonio squirm.

[Baddy Chuck]

Baddy you are missing Kuzma’s 3 mil unlikely incentives that could against the aprons.

The gift that keeps giving.

[Ron Swanson]

MIL Out: Kuzma, Pat
MIL In: MPJ, Saric (absorbed into the Middleton TPE)

DEN Out: MPJ, Dario Saric, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 Top-3 protected 1st
DEN In: Cam Johnson

BKN Out: Cam Johnson
BKN In: Kuzma, Pat, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 DEN 1st.

[mattg]

Why would Denver make an almost entirely lateral move like that and give up a swap and a 1st rounder to do so?

[German Athens]

Cam’s a better shooter than MPJ, and a much smarter player. He’s a connector. MPJ isn’t.

Cam’s 2 and half years older, and more injury prone, though.

[Ron Swanson]

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Lot of people on the main boards giving Bill grief about this proposal but I actually think he's being pretty realistic here. Which should also highlight how absolutely dog **** these Giannis offers are (this is basically the Rockets' offer plus Reed Sheppard and a 1st or two). Ultimately I don't think they're trading Brown this offseason, but how far off is this from a package that we can put together next offseason when we'll have expirings (Dame, Kuzma) and 3-4 future picks and swaps to deal?

[Ron Swanson]

Why would Denver make an almost entirely lateral move like that and give up a swap and a 1st rounder to do so?

Look at Denver's tax situation. It's brutal.

[BigO]

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Lot of people on the main boards giving Bill grief about this proposal but I actually think he's being pretty realistic here. Which should also highlight how absolutely dog **** these Giannis offers are (this is basically the Rockets' offer plus Reed Sheppard and a 1st or two). Ultimately I don't think they're trading Brown this offseason, but how far off is this from a package that we can put together next offseason when we'll have expirings (Dame, Kuzma) and 3-4 future picks and swaps to deal?

It's a great proposal for the Celtics and horrible for Houston.

Jalen is a good player, but even surrounded by a lot of shooters, he is very inefficient. Only Bill Simmons would think this is a good idea. But the Celtics have a good GM and there are a lot of Horsts out there waiting to be had.

[soxperry]

MIL Out: Kuzma, Pat
MIL In: MPJ, Saric (absorbed into the Middleton TPE)

DEN Out: MPJ, Dario Saric, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 Top-3 protected 1st
DEN In: Cam Johnson

BKN Out: Cam Johnson
BKN In: Kuzma, Pat, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 DEN 1st.

38.3 + 5.4 = 43.7 (mpj and saric)

22.4 + 9.4 = 31.8 (kuzma and pat)

While we could do this trade, we essentially chew up most of the MLE space for a player who cant stay healthy on a massive cap figure.

whats the incentive for us? Id rather focus on getting talent with the mle or retaining kpj/trent

[Ron Swanson]

MIL Out: Kuzma, Pat
MIL In: MPJ, Saric (absorbed into the Middleton TPE)

DEN Out: MPJ, Dario Saric, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 Top-3 protected 1st
DEN In: Cam Johnson

BKN Out: Cam Johnson
BKN In: Kuzma, Pat, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 DEN 1st.

38.3 + 5.4 = 43.7 (mpj and saric)

22.4 + 9.4 = 31.8 (kuzma and pat)

While we could do this trade, we essentially chew up most of the MLE space for a player who cant stay healthy on a massive cap figure.

whats the incentive for us? Id rather focus on getting talent with the mle or retaining kpj/trent

I think people right now are massively overrating fringe assets (cap exceptions, mid-level prospects) and massively underrating good and/or talented players that are simply overpaid. Like, if you tell me that we're gonna get a guy on the MLE that's gonna be as or more impactful than a dude like MPJ was the past couple seasons, I'm gonna disagree pretty vehemently.

Take a gander at the list of guys who signed full and tax-payer MLE type deals last offseason (your Caleb Martin's, Kyle Anderson's, and Gary Harris') and contrast that with the list of guys that signed for the minimum (Trent, Prince, Tyus Jones, KPJ, Kornet). I just don't see much of a difference in the quality of player you're getting. The NBA's cap structure has all but squeezed out the middle class, and I think it's become a waste of resources to not just wait the market out for these types of dudes.

[Profound23]

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Lot of people on the main boards giving Bill grief about this proposal but I actually think he's being pretty realistic here. Which should also highlight how absolutely dog **** these Giannis offers are (this is basically the Rockets' offer plus Reed Sheppard and a 1st or two). Ultimately I don't think they're trading Brown this offseason, but how far off is this from a package that we can put together next offseason when we'll have expirings (Dame, Kuzma) and 3-4 future picks and swaps to deal?

Agreed and I think it is a good trade for both teams. Houston putting Amen and Jrue together would be intense. For the Bucks to go the Houston route I need Amen and multiple picks. Don't care about Sengun unless we are shipping him off for more picks. Don't want FVV or Jalen Green.

[th87]

KPJ/Vassell/AJG/Bobby/Sims with Harper/Rollins/Tyler Smith/14/2nd rounder is a nice start to a rebuild.

That looks pretty miserable .

If you want miserable, take a look at the 2027-28 Bucks if Giannis walks in free agency and they don’t have their next four firsts.

(Since people are legit proposing trading an unprotected 31 first for one season of Sexton)

Functionally the same. Garbage versus Less Smelly Garbage.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

one top pick now with 10 picks later regardless of position 1st and 2nd round.... and salry matching guys that are net positives..... is a stupid good reset

wed literally be better next year than we just were if we flipped all those picks in 3 ways for ballers.

then consider its incredibly possible if not likely that giannis next extension makes him a bad contract by the middle of it. anybody that disagrees is a homer in fact.

the argument to keep him is like lets see what next year can be with a modern team and approach... but mostly its because hes earned the right to retire a buck and we can be mediocre and cap strapped with him but its giannis and we all love him who cares. the mavs did it with dirk we need to do it with giannis.

im cool either way here btw. i find it difficult to agree with the guys arguing like somebody is a moron if they think trading him is the end of the world tho. keeping him is just as much a risk or bigger even. keeping him is cool tho. we'd suck but sucking with a cool story is....well who doesnt like a cool story bro right?

[Bernman]

The issue w/ the very young prospect/draft heavy (ala Spurs) Giannis trades is we'd have to get New Orleans to agree to be part of it, otherwise we concede our potentially high picks in the next 2 drafts. And they know that.

The issue w/ the single very good player or two trades is it probably puts us in a similar spot as we are w/ just Giannis right now, which is them accompanying a limited supporting cast.

I actually think the Atlanta model, w/ multiple starters, prospects, & picks; is the most practical one for our situation, if Giannis asks out. But if Dallas were to deal Flagg, Lively, a role player filler for salary; I'd still bite the bullet on losing those picks to NO. We'd have a very likely future star, who's more ready to contribute than most. And the team might make the playoffs. If not got to hope we avoid the fate like a couple teams this yr.

[buckboy]

I see that SA trade working out if we trade Giannis. Only if we can fleece them.

Bucks: Castle, Vastle, Johnson, #2 pick, #14 pick
SA: Giannis and Conny(ops in for salarly) or other

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Pass. Unless there's about 6 picks attached

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

giannis gaurantees mediocrity btw. we dont have a championship window. what he gaurantees is mediocrity.

if he has a career ending injury it would be the darkest moment in any nba franchises history. like who could trump that?

if you deal him wed be mediocre but have upside and have some serious risk abatement.

its tough all around but my personal take is if he comes out publically and announces he wants to retire a buck you keep him. short of that you deal him

[Ron Swanson]

one top pick now with 10 picks later regardless of position 1st and 2nd round.... and salry matching guys that are net positives..... is a stupid good reset

wed literally be better next year than we just were if we flipped all those picks in 3 ways for ballers.

Absolutely crazy to type this out. I get that you're a pretty extreme Giannis critic, but there's a zero percent chance we're a better team next season with rookies and whatever salary filler we get back in a Giannis trade. Some of you guys love to play asset-manager a little too much and are in for a rude awakening of what life without a mega-star player and rooting for 19-20 year olds is like. The rebuild might be worth it eventually, but make no mistake, these next 2-3 years at a minimum are gonna be absolutely brutal.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

final idiot post... i could care less about our own picks. get the most picks. doesnt matter where they are. get more picks. get the most picks. prioritizing ours is of little consequence especially considering the swaps are with the freaking blazers and pelicans ffs

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

one top pick now with 10 picks later regardless of position 1st and 2nd round.... and salry matching guys that are net positives..... is a stupid good reset

wed literally be better next year than we just were if we flipped all those picks in 3 ways for ballers.

Absolutely crazy to type this out. I get that you're a pretty extreme Giannis critic, but there's a zero percent chance we're a better team next season with rookies and whatever salary filler we get back in a Giannis trade. Some of you guys love to play asset-manager a little too much and are in for a rude awakening of what life without a mega-star player and rooting for 19-20 year olds is like. The rebuild might be worth it eventually, but make no mistake, these next 2-3 years at a minimum are gonna be absolutely brutal.

id agree.... that was a reach to say it carte blanche. depends heavily on the package. we sucked this year tho so dont act like im crazy. we were in a race with the **** pistons and without the finish were flirting with .500. lets be real here. we are a really nothing team with maybe a last hail mary left

make the right deal and get some depth to our action we could literally improve. **** bobby portis stretching the floor at the 4 with a 20/10 season and an entire new lockerrom around him....hmmm

[Prez]

I think that Celtics/Rockets deal proposed by Bill is **** awful for Houston. I've long felt Jaylen Brown was wildly overrated and I'm not swayed by him getting FMVP because Tatum pooped his pants offensively again in the finals. Jaylen getting paid $60 mil/yr for the next 4 years after this season is not something I'd be excited about taking on.

And that's before taking on the Jrue deal, which frankly makes zero sense for a young team like Houston that would have a ton of different pathways to find a good PG as good or better than a 35-37 year old Jrue and has several young guys they'd need to pay (Sengun, Amen, Green, possibly Whitmore). Jrue at $35 mil/yr for 3 more years after this one is abysmal.

Anyways back to the Bucks, the only deal that would actually interest me for Giannis would be #2, Castle, #14, Sochan and a few additional 1sts. The first 3 pieces of that are a must have, if they wanna negotiate on Sochan and the # of additional firsts. But if the first 3 aren't on the table I'm just keeping Giannis.