Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[MickeyDavis]

About to blow through the previous thread.

[humanrefutation]

At the Bucks Meeting:

Horst: "Look, Giannis. We need to rebuild. We can either tear down what we've had and you can sulk and wait it out for a couple years, or we can trade you to Atlanta for a bunch of young talent and picks. Then, in two years, you can opt out and come back here to a young, well-stocked roster with a ton of tradeable assets to improve for another multi-year run."

Giannis: "Welcome to Atlanta where the players play."

[aboveAverage]

There’s no way he’s coming back if we trade him. Stop with these fantasies.

[tydett]

Giannis wins MVP next season, has a monster season, sees how he likes the team next summer, and if he's still unhappy, then he can ask for a trade, and teams will still line up with killer offers for the chance to get the league MVP and extend him for 3 years. Conversely, if he likes what happens here, he can just finish out his career in Milwaukee and retire as the greatest Buck ever.

[paulpressey25]

There’s no way he’s coming back if we trade him. Stop with these fantasies.

I agree and And1 this. Ray Allen never wanted to come back

But let’s see where the family lives. Maybe they stay or maybe they all go.

[aboveAverage]

There’s no way he’s coming back if we trade him. Stop with these fantasies.

I agree and And1 this. Ray Allen never wanted to come back

But let’s see where the family lives. Maybe they stay or maybe they all go.

Just out of curiosity, do you seem to be set on trading Giannis? Seems like it from your recent posts.

I personally think Giannis wants to be a Buck for life and I think we will be able to convince him that we can still build a contender. I also think trading Giannis would be extremely foolish. We’ve got second apron dilemmas coming for many teams and a golden age of parity on the way. You should never trade your generational superstar in this era. You only need to add a few solid guys and a little bit of bench production on the fringes to build a contender if you’ve got a Giannis.

[JayMKE]

Next offseason the team should be able to make a more flashy move and Dame presumably would be back too, the regular season doesn’t matter just make the playoffs next year. I don’t buy Giannis has way less value with 1 year less on contract

[CharityStripe34]

The sell for him this meeting should be that we've blackmailed Doc into running a modern NBA offense with Giannis as the fulcrum flanked by shooting, athleticism and pace. And the starting lineup won't be a slow C and three forwards.

Horst and the owners should just give Doc a ceremonial Executive VPOBO so he can play golf weekly and out of the 435 assistant coaches find the guy who has a more contemporary vision on both sides of the ball.

[BUCKnation]

There’s no way he’s coming back if we trade him. Stop with these fantasies.

I agree and And1 this. Ray Allen never wanted to come back

But let’s see where the family lives. Maybe they stay or maybe they all go.

I wonder what Thanasis would do. He seems pretty tied into a lot of local businesses with his podcast and other media.

[humanrefutation]

There’s no way he’s coming back if we trade him. Stop with these fantasies.

I wasn't serious, my dude.

[raferfenix]

Bucks amply shaking things up and making another run with Giannis in seasons to come seems much more likely to me than us becoming contenders some other way over the next 7 years.

I fear we’d be looking at an Andrew Bogut era level peak if we do deal Giannis as opposed to the Kareem trade.

[jschligs]

Bucks amply shaking things up and making another run with Giannis in seasons to come seems much more likely to me than us becoming contenders some other way over the next 7 years.

I fear we’d be looking at an Andrew Bogut era level peak if we do deal Giannis as opposed to the Kareem trade.

Wouldn't it be absolutely hilarious if Giannis somehow led us to the finals or won it all this year? Like he goes super Sayan and just rolls through the playoffs. That would be *chefs kiss*.

[raferfenix]

Bunch of teams are shedding salary due to the new apron dynamics.

If ownership would take on more dollars that'd open up possibilities.

Getting beneath the 2nd apron to close out this season gave us more flexibility this offseason. But it's not like Kuzma worked out on the court if we could combine him with Pat or whoever else for someone more expensive.

[th87]

I wonder how Horst answers if Giannis pointedly asks about trading Middleton and AJ for Kuzma

"Doc did it. We should be rid of him."

[Frank Nova]

The only trade I’m even remotely considering is with Dallas. Giannis wants a title so bad he can go play with Kyrie and AD and be in the west. But if we’re not talking Flagg, Lively, Prosper, whatever salary fillers and at least 1 more future 1st, swaps and future 2nds, I’m not even entertaining it.

[jschligs]

Made the mistake of commenting on the Cavs subreddit post about the Mobley for Giannis trade. I'm really not sure why I did it, but mentioned that Horst would hang up the phone immediately and I'm getting downvoted lol. The response was "stars get traded for far worse"...sure, top 15-20 players in their prime get traded all the time for far worse. What am I doing to myself?

[MickeyDavis]

Fans usually over value their own players. Some here under value Giannis though.

[paulpressey25]

Just out of curiosity, do you seem to be set on trading Giannis? Seems like it from your recent posts.

Giannis being Buck for life is my preference. That said I'm a realist.

Have a hard time seeing how this team obtains a #2 or #3 star in the next two years unless Horst suddenly learns how to identify late first and second round talent and/or catches lightning in a bottle with a young prospect.

In the meantime the plan we have to sell him is "hey, play 35-38 minutes a game all out as point-forward" which is going to wear down his knees quickly.

The Dame trade and then subsequent injury ruined the ability for Giannis to have a contending 2nd act here IMO

[averageposter]

Normally I am pretty unconcerned about any Giannis leaving stories, predictions, what have you. But looking at the possibility that a 35 year old Dame misses all of next year and opts into his 36 year old season and at first glance is cooked blows two years up. Achilles seem to be the worst injury and late in career achilles worse still. I don't think Giannis takes a chance on two lost years, and I wouldn't blame him.

[Frank Nova]

Fans usually over value their own players. Some here under value Giannis though.

I’m not even sure it’s really Bucks fans under valuing Giannis. I think it’s more Bucks fans drinking the koolaid and preparing themselves for ultimate disappointment and then looking for a silver lining in the mess. These trades are all awful and nowhere close to the value of Giannis as the player and locked into his contract. If it’s not fleecing Dallas for a haul that includes the #1 pick, it should be a non starter.