2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7

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Hansen Yang is in much better shape currently than prior drafts. His defense was very poor before so not sure what it's like now. If it's just bad-below average, he's still playable as a backup. Just zone the defense more and maximize his offense on the other end. Should be available early 2nd round.

I see Wang Zhi-Zhi 2.0.

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In an ideal scenario this draft will produce 3 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of elite role players.

I'm in the group where I think if you come out with a role player who has elite qualities, that's a very good outcome. I mean no one's complaining if they draft an OG Anunoby or Herb Jones in the lottery. People need to temper their expectations when it comes to the draft. This draft looks to be on the weaker end when it comes to star quality, but I see a ton of guys who can hopefully become starter quality. I think Fleming is going to be an absolute stud at the NBA level, he's probably gone before we pick. I personally wouldn't mind dropping down and grabbing two good players... say a Walter Clayton JR, Cedric Coward, or Nique Clifford.

I don't think there are a handful of OG Anunoby's in every draft.

Definitely not, you're lucky to get 1 in a draft. Guys like OG, McDaniels, and Herb Jones are so vital to every contending team. I also think these type of players are also easier to get in later picks.

What time trying to get at is, if we come out with a role player, and a high end one at that (OG Anunoby), no one is complaining. It would be great if every pick was a a shot creating top 3 option, but in reality that's not true, most of those guys flame out. People need to temper their expectations with the #9 pick.

Maybe it would have been better to say 3/4 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of high end bench pieces.

Ya, just keep on getting depth then trade for KD.

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I don't think there are a handful of OG Anunoby's in every draft.

Definitely not, you're lucky to get 1 in a draft. Guys like OG, McDaniels, and Herb Jones are so vital to every contending team. I also think these type of players are also easier to get in later picks.

What time trying to get at is, if we come out with a role player, and a high end one at that (OG Anunoby), no one is complaining. It would be great if every pick was a a shot creating top 3 option, but in reality that's not true, most of those guys flame out. People need to temper their expectations with the #9 pick.

Maybe it would have been better to say 3/4 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of high end bench pieces.

Ya, just keep on getting depth then trade for KD.

This.

We just saw the Houston Rockets get the #4 record in the NBA (52 wins), with the #4 defense. They've been hoarding 3+D players and accelerated their rebuild. It's actually the route I want Masai to take.

Give me Fleming, Bryant, Coward, etc...

[OakleyDokely]

Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'6.25 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

[ATLTimekeeper]

In an ideal scenario this draft will produce 3 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of elite role players.

I'm in the group where I think if you come out with a role player who has elite qualities, that's a very good outcome. I mean no one's complaining if they draft an OG Anunoby or Herb Jones in the lottery. People need to temper their expectations when it comes to the draft. This draft looks to be on the weaker end when it comes to star quality, but I see a ton of guys who can hopefully become starter quality. I think Fleming is going to be an absolute stud at the NBA level, he's probably gone before we pick. I personally wouldn't mind dropping down and grabbing two good players... say a Walter Clayton JR, Cedric Coward, or Nique Clifford.

I don't think there are a handful of OG Anunoby's in every draft.

Definitely not, you're lucky to get 1 in a draft.

What time trying to get at is, if we come out with a role player, and a high end one at that (OG Anunoby), no one is complaining. It would be great if every pick was a a shot creating top 3 option, but in reality that's not true, most of those guys flame out.

Maybe it would have been better to say 2/3 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of high end bench pieces.

I don't disagree with a general breakdown of what you can expect in the draft. It's the optimism around players that have proven very little to fulfil the best possible outcomes. We would be happy to get OG with #9. We shouldn't be aiming at OG at #9 because of how rare of a player that is.

The Pat Williams draft is super apt, because you had Pat, Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro all going before Tyrese Haliburton in the top 10. When it comes time to retain them, they're not really all that interested in being paid like Aaron Wiggins.

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Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Fleming also has a 9-1.5 standing reach, while OG had a 8-11.5 standing reach. Fleming is a modern day 4, who can play small ball 5, and he's going to be able to switch onto the perimeter. This is such a valuable commodity in the current NBA landscape... with that being said, I don't think he's available at #9.

[Duffman100]

Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. That Masai wants to find his OG replacement. And we do need more size, more ability to guard bigger 3s/4s.

i think fleming is near the top of their list.

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I don't think there are a handful of OG Anunoby's in every draft.

Definitely not, you're lucky to get 1 in a draft.

What time trying to get at is, if we come out with a role player, and a high end one at that (OG Anunoby), no one is complaining. It would be great if every pick was a a shot creating top 3 option, but in reality that's not true, most of those guys flame out.

Maybe it would have been better to say 2/3 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of high end bench pieces.

I don't disagree with a general breakdown of what you can expect in the draft. It's the optimism around players that have proven very little to fulfil the best possible outcomes. We would be happy to get OG with #9. We shouldn't be aiming at OG at #9 because of how rare of a player that is.

The Pat Williams draft is super apt, because you had Pat, Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro all going before Tyrese Haliburton in the top 10. When it comes time to retain them, they're not really all that interested in being paid like Aaron Wiggins.

I agree with you 100%

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Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. That Masai wants to find his OG replacement. And we do need more size, more ability to guard bigger 3s/4s.

i think fleming is near the top of their list.

I want to add Miles Byrd to this list. Big guard, with a 7-2 wingspan, who has shown playmaking abilities, and hes athletic. Efficiency has been a problem, but he played on a horrible team who forced him to take many shots off the dribble. He's going to thrive in a more structured environment in the NBA IMO.

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Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Fleming also has a 9-1.5 standing reach, while OG had a 8-11.5 standing reach. Fleming is a modern day 4, who can play small ball 5, and he's going to be able to switch onto the perimeter. This is such a valuable commodity in the current NBA landscape... with that being said, I don't think he's available at #9.

I think Cedric Coward is more likely to fly into the top 8 than Fleming.

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Definitely not, you're lucky to get 1 in a draft. Guys like OG, McDaniels, and Herb Jones are so vital to every contending team. I also think these type of players are also easier to get in later picks.

What time trying to get at is, if we come out with a role player, and a high end one at that (OG Anunoby), no one is complaining. It would be great if every pick was a a shot creating top 3 option, but in reality that's not true, most of those guys flame out. People need to temper their expectations with the #9 pick.

Maybe it would have been better to say 3/4 allstars, a handful of high end starters, and a handful of high end bench pieces.

Ya, just keep on getting depth then trade for KD.

This.

We just saw the Houston Rockets get the #4 record in the NBA (52 wins), with the #4 defense. They've been hoarding 3+D players and accelerated their rebuild. It's actually the route I want Masai to take.

Give me Fleming, Bryant, Coward, etc...

Been saying this all season. You can build a decent team in the NBA with a couple of decent borderline allstar scorers & a whole bunch of veteran 3+D types.

3+D always hold value & they are always useful assets for team building.

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Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

OG measured 6'6.25" without shoes so Fleming is 2 inches taller

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Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Interesting stat comp.

I think Fleming is the most useful player for this roster.

So Junior year Fleming is essentially rookie OG in terms of development. OG improved his 3 point shooting in his "Junior" year as well. Fleming is more of a 4 & OG is more of a 3.

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The ball handling and creation is the big difference between Fleming and Siakam. Fleming is not an on-ball player on offense.

Outside his predictable spin move, I don't remember rookie Pascal having any great handles.

Agreed. Rasheer may not be a jumbo creator but one can see that he can be like a lankier Bam Adebayo that can shoot 3's.

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Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

OG measured 6'6.25" without shoes so Fleming is 2 inches taller

Yeah thats correct. I was just going to post.

[David-Kornel]

Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Not sure where you got Anunoby's measurements from, but I only find his measurements listed as 6'6".25. There's no way he's 2.5" taller than Siakim, who measured 6'8".25.

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this vid is good.. also gets into the OG comps comps

Watch on YouTube

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Anyone else seeing rookie Pascal Siakam in Rasheer Flemmings game?

Smaller Ibaka?

[OakleyDokely]

Combine Measurements:
Fleming: 6'8.25 height, 7'5.25 wingspan, 9.50 hand length, 232.4 lbs
Anunoby: 6'8.75 height, 7'2.25 wingspan, 9.25 hand length, 232.4 lbs

Soph stats:
Fleming: 26.8 MIN, 10.7 PPG, 7.4 REB, 0.8 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.5 BLK, .528 FG, .324 3PT, .612 FT, .600 TS, 18.9 USG, 4.6 BPM
Anunoby: 25.1 MIN, 11.1 PPG, 5.4 REB, 1.4 AST, 1.3 STL, 1.3 BLK, .557 FG, .311 3PT, .563 FT, .611 TS, 20.8 USG, 8.9 BPM

Jr Stats:
Fleming: 31.3 MIN, 14.7 PPG, 8.5 REB, 1.3 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.5 BLK, .531 FG, .390 3PT, .743 FT, .638 TS, 21.2 USG, 7.7 BPM
Anunoby: N/A

Not sure where you got Anunoby's measurements from, but I only find his measurements listed as 6'6".25. There's no way he's 2.5" taller than Siakim, who measured 6'8".25.

I fixed it, I took OG in shoes.