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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#101 » by DwayneSchintzus » Tue May 20, 2025 3:14 pm

OKC is really strong. I hate them though whether they are good or bad (lol) so I'm sitting here trying to think of ways they can be beaten.

The question I have had since they lost last year is about Jalen Williams and Chet Holmgren.

When the Mavs were able to tilt their entire defense to SGA last year, both of them struggled. I haven't seen anything this year to show me that they can perform consistently. Jalen had good moments in the Denver series but not really in the halfcourt, imo.

Denver was too banged up this year to take advantage of OKC's supporting players. If the Nuggets were healthy (or healthier) I think they could have beaten them. That isn't to discredit the win over the Nuggets because this happens in every title run. For example, I don't think the Celtics were really challenged last year.

I think Minnesota can put together a real defensive gameplan, their coaches are competent-to-good imo. I will be watching the bigs matchup early in the game - Randle is too strong for Chet to defend, and if you put Hartenstein on him, I think Gobert can feast on the glass versus Chet.
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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#102 » by THE J0KER » Tue May 20, 2025 3:38 pm

They just won a 7-game series, winning game #4 and game #5 after facing a double-digit deficit in the final quarter. That said, I doubt anyone else will be that close to beat them (especially after Tatum's injury), but still, it is not that they outclassed anyone else like the thread title suggests.
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Post#103 » by CharityStripe34 » Tue May 20, 2025 4:19 pm

They're not miles better than everyone, but they're talented and deep. They're also growing up in terms of playoff maturity. That being said, it wouldn't be a huge shocker if Minny gives them a run for their money.
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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#104 » by Wannabe MEP » Tue May 20, 2025 4:19 pm

THE J0KER wrote:They just won a 7-game series, winning game #4 and game #5 after facing a double-digit deficit in the final quarter. That said, I doubt anyone else will be that close to beat them (especially after Tatum's injury), but still, it is not that they outclassed anyone else like the thread title suggests.

That's not really the argument as framed in the original post. The question is this: Are they good enough to win despite the lack of playoff reps?

Beating a recent championship team 4-3 is not a counterpoint by itself. The debate is whether something tougher than Denver is headed their way, and how they'll handle it.
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Post#105 » by Lalouie » Tue May 20, 2025 4:36 pm

why is it that when these subjects are brought up, no one mentions PARITY at the top of the list

parity is a bunch of mediocre teams. parity IS NOT a bunch of really good teams. parity is the LACK of really good teams

neither okc or knicks or wolves or indy or nuggets or celts could beat any of the previous ring teams. although they MIGHT give detroit, toronto, and dallas a run. they're just lucky the kawhis, currys, hardens, kd's and lebrons are all old with one foot out the door

okc is much better because they have the best exec, and the other contenders ARE EQUALLY as young as okc.
okc just got extended to 7games against a denver team where no one showed up except OCCASIONALLY jokic.
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Post#106 » by Black Jack » Tue May 20, 2025 4:42 pm

You have to slow the game down and make good decisions, their athletes feast on bad passes leading to breaks.

I do think Minnesota has the best chance vs OKC of anyone in the league of beating them (maybe pre Tatum injury Celtics too).

Also their young guys get a little tight so vets like Minny has are an advantage.

I don't see how Knicks or Pacers have a chance vs OKC. They'll both just get ran over.
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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#107 » by lethalizer » Tue May 20, 2025 5:29 pm

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They definitely survived, but I’m more confident in Minny’s size giving them problems than I was before the series. Yes the wolves don’t have Jokic and aren’t as smart, but they are deeper, more athletic, and just better than Denver, with a ton of length/beef.


Minnesota is bigger in other positions compared to Denver. I like Randle, but we have the option of sticking Jalen Williams to him. He likes to take people off the dribble and bullying them that way, instead of Aaron Gordon who likes to use his strength inside the painted area.

Now, I have always maintained the thought of Minny being the hardest opponent OKC could face in the Western Conference after their January stretch when Randle started to click with the team, so I don't anticipate any easy series at all, but I think OKC is rightfully the favorites here.

Reasons being:

1) Conley and Ant will basically be harrassed all series. They'll have to play a very smart series altogether because you're guaranteed to lose the turnover battle against this OKC team anyway, but you have to at least limit some of the turnovers. Ant showed some good playmaking chops this playoff season, he'll have to keep that up.

2) Expanding on Ant, I don't put a whole stock when it comes to regular season performances, but him only averaging 22.3 PPG against the Thunder this season while playing 36+ minutes in each game could be a bit worrisome. He won't really get double teams and face single coverage, Thunder will dare him to beat him from the outside. You'll see the immediate coverage shifts when it comes to Ant vs Jokic. This current iteration of the Thunder would always need a total team effort to limit Jokic. The perimeter star players OKC has a much better success rate against.

Now, this OKC team isn't unbeatable and there's a reason I think Wolves will be a big challenge, cause their roleplayers can absolutely give the Thunder fits. Like I wouldn't even be shocked if we get a 28 point Naz Reid game sometime in this series. Or if Gobert is able to stay on the court, he can totally swing a game by himself with his defense alone.

It's just that the probability isn't really high for everything to go Minny's way in a 7 game series against this team. If they can do it, I'll be the first person to give them props.


Yeah, OKC just doesn’t have any great options to slow down Randle. This is a guy who was able to push Giannis around as a Knick, he’s not just big, he’s so freaking strong even for his size. They can throw bodies at him, but Jdub & Dort aren’t strong enough to handle Julius without help, and he’s just become too good at beating double teams.

And that’s before throwing Rudy, McDaniels and Reid into the equation as other dudes OKC will struggle to match up with even if they can contain Randle alone.

The Thunder do force a lot of turnovers and Minnesota likes to be dumb, but the wolves force a lot of turnovers themselves & they play up or down to their opposition a lot. So anyone expecting them to be as sloppy as they were against the undermanned Lakers & Warriors, is likely in for a surprise.


I think you'll be in a surprise seeing how good Jalen Williams will stand against Julius Randle, and I'll leave it at that. Hoping for a fun series.
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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#108 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 5:42 pm

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Minnesota is bigger in other positions compared to Denver. I like Randle, but we have the option of sticking Jalen Williams to him. He likes to take people off the dribble and bullying them that way, instead of Aaron Gordon who likes to use his strength inside the painted area.

Now, I have always maintained the thought of Minny being the hardest opponent OKC could face in the Western Conference after their January stretch when Randle started to click with the team, so I don't anticipate any easy series at all, but I think OKC is rightfully the favorites here.

Reasons being:

1) Conley and Ant will basically be harrassed all series. They'll have to play a very smart series altogether because you're guaranteed to lose the turnover battle against this OKC team anyway, but you have to at least limit some of the turnovers. Ant showed some good playmaking chops this playoff season, he'll have to keep that up.

2) Expanding on Ant, I don't put a whole stock when it comes to regular season performances, but him only averaging 22.3 PPG against the Thunder this season while playing 36+ minutes in each game could be a bit worrisome. He won't really get double teams and face single coverage, Thunder will dare him to beat him from the outside. You'll see the immediate coverage shifts when it comes to Ant vs Jokic. This current iteration of the Thunder would always need a total team effort to limit Jokic. The perimeter star players OKC has a much better success rate against.

Now, this OKC team isn't unbeatable and there's a reason I think Wolves will be a big challenge, cause their roleplayers can absolutely give the Thunder fits. Like I wouldn't even be shocked if we get a 28 point Naz Reid game sometime in this series. Or if Gobert is able to stay on the court, he can totally swing a game by himself with his defense alone.

It's just that the probability isn't really high for everything to go Minny's way in a 7 game series against this team. If they can do it, I'll be the first person to give them props.


Yeah, OKC just doesn’t have any great options to slow down Randle. This is a guy who was able to push Giannis around as a Knick, he’s not just big, he’s so freaking strong even for his size. They can throw bodies at him, but Jdub & Dort aren’t strong enough to handle Julius without help, and he’s just become too good at beating double teams.

And that’s before throwing Rudy, McDaniels and Reid into the equation as other dudes OKC will struggle to match up with even if they can contain Randle alone.

The Thunder do force a lot of turnovers and Minnesota likes to be dumb, but the wolves force a lot of turnovers themselves & they play up or down to their opposition a lot. So anyone expecting them to be as sloppy as they were against the undermanned Lakers & Warriors, is likely in for a surprise.


I think you'll be in a surprise seeing how good Jalen Williams will stand against Julius Randle, and I'll leave it at that. Hoping for a fun series.


Fair enough, and vice versa lol. Don’t mean it as a way to disrespect Jdub, but we don’t have a great answer for Julius either…and OG is a lot more powerful.

Hoping it’s a fun…and long…series; so whoever comes in is winded for the Knicks if we get past Indy :lol:
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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#109 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 5:47 pm

Black Jack wrote:You have to slow the game down and make good decisions, their athletes feast on bad passes leading to breaks.

I do think Minnesota has the best chance vs OKC of anyone in the league of beating them (maybe pre Tatum injury Celtics too).

Also their young guys get a little tight so vets like Minny has are an advantage.

I don't see how Knicks or Pacers have a chance vs OKC. They'll both just get ran over.


Knicks take care of the ball really well, OKC doesn’t have good answers for Brunson / Towns, we execute better late in games, they don’t have answer for our double big lineup on the glass, and we have the wings to make life hell for Shai & Jdub.

Pacers path to victory is that they are too fast for the Thunder’s game to throw them off, they are better coached, better in crunchtime, and they can exhaust SGA.
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Post#110 » by bbms » Tue May 20, 2025 6:09 pm

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They definitely survived, but I’m more confident in Minny’s size giving them problems than I was before the series. Yes the wolves don’t have Jokic and aren’t as smart, but they are deeper, more athletic, and just better than Denver, with a ton of length/beef.


Minnesota is bigger in other positions compared to Denver. I like Randle, but we have the option of sticking Jalen Williams to him. He likes to take people off the dribble and bullying them that way, instead of Aaron Gordon who likes to use his strength inside the painted area.

Now, I have always maintained the thought of Minny being the hardest opponent OKC could face in the Western Conference after their January stretch when Randle started to click with the team, so I don't anticipate any easy series at all, but I think OKC is rightfully the favorites here.

Reasons being:

1) Conley and Ant will basically be harrassed all series. They'll have to play a very smart series altogether because you're guaranteed to lose the turnover battle against this OKC team anyway, but you have to at least limit some of the turnovers. Ant showed some good playmaking chops this playoff season, he'll have to keep that up.

2) Expanding on Ant, I don't put a whole stock when it comes to regular season performances, but him only averaging 22.3 PPG against the Thunder this season while playing 36+ minutes in each game could be a bit worrisome. He won't really get double teams and face single coverage, Thunder will dare him to beat him from the outside. You'll see the immediate coverage shifts when it comes to Ant vs Jokic. This current iteration of the Thunder would always need a total team effort to limit Jokic. The perimeter star players OKC has a much better success rate against.

Now, this OKC team isn't unbeatable and there's a reason I think Wolves will be a big challenge, cause their roleplayers can absolutely give the Thunder fits. Like I wouldn't even be shocked if we get a 28 point Naz Reid game sometime in this series. Or if Gobert is able to stay on the court, he can totally swing a game by himself with his defense alone.

It's just that the probability isn't really high for everything to go Minny's way in a 7 game series against this team. If they can do it, I'll be the first person to give them props.


Yeah, OKC just doesn’t have any great options to slow down Randle. This is a guy who was able to push Giannis around as a Knick, he’s not just big, he’s so freaking strong even for his size. They can throw bodies at him, but Jdub & Dort aren’t strong enough to handle Julius without help, and he’s just become too good at beating double teams.

And that’s before throwing Rudy, McDaniels and Reid into the equation as other dudes OKC will struggle to match up with even if they can contain Randle alone.

The Thunder do force a lot of turnovers and Minnesota likes to be dumb, but the wolves force a lot of turnovers themselves & they play up or down to their opposition a lot. So anyone expecting them to be as sloppy as they were against the undermanned Lakers & Warriors, is likely in for a surprise.


you can check jdub's tape on randle. he's definitely an option, randle struggled vs him, even though randle is improved from earlier this season. caruso is also a very good option. hartenstein and jwill. basically everything they threw at jokic they can throw at randle.

randle is a good player that will probably have some good games, but he's nothing to scheme for. just throw a collection of defenders on him and see what it does best in the first 4 games, and then pound with it.

i'd much rather to play single coverage against anyone in this series because what scares me in minny is their three point shooting. can't give the corner three away for them like they did vs denver.
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Post#111 » by bbms » Tue May 20, 2025 6:25 pm

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Post#112 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 6:34 pm

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cgf wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
Minnesota is bigger in other positions compared to Denver. I like Randle, but we have the option of sticking Jalen Williams to him. He likes to take people off the dribble and bullying them that way, instead of Aaron Gordon who likes to use his strength inside the painted area.

Now, I have always maintained the thought of Minny being the hardest opponent OKC could face in the Western Conference after their January stretch when Randle started to click with the team, so I don't anticipate any easy series at all, but I think OKC is rightfully the favorites here.

Reasons being:

1) Conley and Ant will basically be harrassed all series. They'll have to play a very smart series altogether because you're guaranteed to lose the turnover battle against this OKC team anyway, but you have to at least limit some of the turnovers. Ant showed some good playmaking chops this playoff season, he'll have to keep that up.

2) Expanding on Ant, I don't put a whole stock when it comes to regular season performances, but him only averaging 22.3 PPG against the Thunder this season while playing 36+ minutes in each game could be a bit worrisome. He won't really get double teams and face single coverage, Thunder will dare him to beat him from the outside. You'll see the immediate coverage shifts when it comes to Ant vs Jokic. This current iteration of the Thunder would always need a total team effort to limit Jokic. The perimeter star players OKC has a much better success rate against.

Now, this OKC team isn't unbeatable and there's a reason I think Wolves will be a big challenge, cause their roleplayers can absolutely give the Thunder fits. Like I wouldn't even be shocked if we get a 28 point Naz Reid game sometime in this series. Or if Gobert is able to stay on the court, he can totally swing a game by himself with his defense alone.

It's just that the probability isn't really high for everything to go Minny's way in a 7 game series against this team. If they can do it, I'll be the first person to give them props.


Yeah, OKC just doesn’t have any great options to slow down Randle. This is a guy who was able to push Giannis around as a Knick, he’s not just big, he’s so freaking strong even for his size. They can throw bodies at him, but Jdub & Dort aren’t strong enough to handle Julius without help, and he’s just become too good at beating double teams.

And that’s before throwing Rudy, McDaniels and Reid into the equation as other dudes OKC will struggle to match up with even if they can contain Randle alone.

The Thunder do force a lot of turnovers and Minnesota likes to be dumb, but the wolves force a lot of turnovers themselves & they play up or down to their opposition a lot. So anyone expecting them to be as sloppy as they were against the undermanned Lakers & Warriors, is likely in for a surprise.


you can check jdub's tape on randle. he's definitely an option, randle struggled vs him, even though randle is improved from earlier this season. caruso is also a very good option. hartenstein and jwill. basically everything they threw at jokic they can throw at randle.

randle is a good player that will probably have some good games, but he's nothing to scheme for. just throw a collection of defenders on him and see what it does best in the first 4 games, and then pound with it.

i'd much rather to play single coverage against anyone in this series because what scares me in minny is their three point shooting. can't give the corner three away for them like they did vs denver.


Well soon enough we’ll see how well that works for OKC.
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Post#113 » by flow » Tue May 20, 2025 6:40 pm

cgf wrote:
Black Jack wrote:You have to slow the game down and make good decisions, their athletes feast on bad passes leading to breaks.

I do think Minnesota has the best chance vs OKC of anyone in the league of beating them (maybe pre Tatum injury Celtics too).

Also their young guys get a little tight so vets like Minny has are an advantage.

I don't see how Knicks or Pacers have a chance vs OKC. They'll both just get ran over.


Knicks take care of the ball really well, OKC doesn’t have good answers for Brunson / Towns, we execute better late in games, they don’t have answer for our double big lineup on the glass, and we have the wings to make life hell for Shai & Jdub.

Pacers path to victory is that they are too fast for the Thunder’s game to throw them off, they are better coached, better in crunchtime, and they can exhaust SGA.


Yep, Pacers are deep. If they really defend, they can def be a problem for OKC.

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Post#114 » by Yoshun » Tue May 20, 2025 6:46 pm

OKC is a really good team.

They are good, they're deep, and they have the MVP. The only reason Denver took them to 7 is because Jokic is that good. OKC had a great game plan to neutralize him in game 7 and Denver didn't have an answer.
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Post#115 » by flow » Tue May 20, 2025 6:59 pm

Yoshun wrote:OKC is a really good team.

They are good, they're deep, and they have the MVP. The only reason Denver took them to 7 is because Jokic is that good. OKC had a great game plan to neutralize him in game 7 and Denver didn't have an answer.


Denver didn't have an answer because Jokic is all they had. It doesn't matter how great Jokic was, that series should never have gone 7.

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Post#116 » by M2J » Tue May 20, 2025 11:20 pm

M2J wrote:They will need injury help to win the West or title. I still don't love their offense. If Chet fully matures into an all star scoring threat. They'll be ready.

For now they rely on talent, but playing hard on defense and running. They shoot better than before, but I don't think they'll beat GS , Lakers or wolves. Difference between wolves and OKC is simply. The Wolves don't just get scoring from Randle, they can actually run their offense through him and Ant can play off of him, and Naz and they all can play off of the Rudy pick and roll.


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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#117 » by Warspite » Tue May 20, 2025 11:21 pm

Lalouie wrote:why is it that when these subjects are brought up, no one mentions PARITY at the top of the list

parity is a bunch of mediocre teams. parity IS NOT a bunch of really good teams. parity is the LACK of really good teams

neither okc or knicks or wolves or indy or nuggets or celts could beat any of the previous ring teams. although they MIGHT give detroit, toronto, and dallas a run. they're just lucky the kawhis, currys, hardens, kd's and lebrons are all old with one foot out the door

okc is much better because they have the best exec, and the other contenders ARE EQUALLY as young as okc.
okc just got extended to 7games against a denver team where no one showed up except OCCASIONALLY jokic.



I have to agree with you. OKC is the best team I have seen this year but they simply wouldnt scare teams that were built in previous eras under different CBAs. The Historic great teams of the 60s-2010s would be very successful vs this Thunder team. If the NBA expands again the bar will be lowered even more and this team could win 75 games. Afterall OKC will be better in 26-28 than they are today.
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Post#118 » by Gus McCrae » Tue May 20, 2025 11:30 pm

Odd thing is I don’t think anyone particularly likes OKC or is rooting for them. They’re small market, they don’t showboat, not dirty. Plus you’d think everyone wants OKC to see some success with the Seattle connection; the failed Big 3 with Kd and co.

Yet, I found myself rooting for Denver and now Minnesota against them. My only thought is maybe too boring. Kinda weird. My theory is Midwest.
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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#119 » by lethalizer » Wed May 21, 2025 6:23 am

M2J wrote:
M2J wrote:They will need injury help to win the West or title. I still don't love their offense. If Chet fully matures into an all star scoring threat. They'll be ready.

For now they rely on talent, but playing hard on defense and running. They shoot better than before, but I don't think they'll beat GS , Lakers or wolves. Difference between wolves and OKC is simply. The Wolves don't just get scoring from Randle, they can actually run their offense through him and Ant can play off of him, and Naz and they all can play off of the Rudy pick and roll.


Feeling validated, we'll see. OKC still too reliant on the MVP



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Re: Is OKC just that much better than everyone else? 

Post#120 » by lethalizer » Wed May 21, 2025 6:25 am

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Well soon enough we’ll see how well that works for OKC.


Well, so far so good. Randle had a good start, but as the game went on, OKC gave him fits.

Randle has to take much better care of the ball if the Wolves want to win this series.

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