PF targets

[Pistons-LR]

Hi guys, i am a french pistons fan for more than 30 years and i read this forum everyday.

There's a guy i really like that you don't mention often and we should keep an eye on: Monsieur Guershon YABUSELE.
He's free agent this summer and the sixers already know they can't keep him. He can shoot, has a lot of energy and a perfect mentality; You fans would love him as the sixers fans did.

I can understand you don"t want to hear about french players anymore but trust me on this one !

[Mr Peanut]

Hi guys, i am a french pistons fan for more than 30 years and i read this forum everyday.

There's a guy i really like that you don't mention often and we should keep an eye on: Monsieur Guershon YABUSELE.
He's free agent this summer and the sixers already know they can't keep him. He can shoot, has a lot of energy and a perfect mentality; You fans would love him as the sixers fans did.

I can understand you don"t want to hear about french players anymore but trust me on this one !

Welcome!

I've heard Yabusele's name thrown around by a few fans - I think he'd be a great fit as our backup PF (can also play C if need be too). The Pistons need a French redemption project after the Killian/Sekou disasters.

If we could trade Fontecchio for cap space and sign Yabusele, Beasley and Schroder all for reasonable deals I'd consider the off-season a win.

Duren/Stewart
Harris/Yabusele
Ausar/Holland
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/Schroder

[Rip32]

Hi guys, i am a french pistons fan for more than 30 years and i read this forum everyday.

There's a guy i really like that you don't mention often and we should keep an eye on: Monsieur Guershon YABUSELE.
He's free agent this summer and the sixers already know they can't keep him. He can shoot, has a lot of energy and a perfect mentality; You fans would love him as the sixers fans did.

I can understand you don"t want to hear about french players anymore but trust me on this one !

I looked this cat up on youtube. He has some game but not much of a shot creator. Also, he looks about 6'5 or 6'6

Watch on YouTube

[Pistons-LR]

He’s really strong and can play 5, pretty good at shooting .
Problem is sometimes he disappears a bit in tough matchups or makes defensive mistakes, but he's solid overall. Perfect back-up

[NYPiston]

Detroit is a half season away from making it's big move. Ivey needs to prove his health, Duren needs to take another step and Thompson and Holland need a full off-season of putting work in. Get away from this draft with no pick and be at next year's trade deadline with an expiring Harris and Font monies, our pick ready to be able to convey right away and Ivey, Duren and one of Thompson or Holland at even higher value ready to flip.

Memphis will be in rebuild and not wanting to pay JJJ supermax money and thus will burn that relationship to where they need to trade him.

Bring back Beasley and call it an off season.

I would bid for Giannis, but we get outbid right now to the level I don't want to have an official offer leak and burn the comradery of the team for something that wouldn't happen.

I also expect this to be a quiet offseason outside of potential re-signing and edge of the roster moves.

First of all, I don't think it's time for the big all in move and, secondly, I think they should see what they have in Ivey first and his fit with this group before pursuing big trades to disrupt the core. It's possible that Ivey is the missing piece to elevate them to the next level OR they could take a step back and miss the playoffs but I think this core has earned another kick at the can to see if they can take another step together.

I know that Ivey played some of last season but he never played with this group once they figured it out, I think Langdon will want to see how that works first before making any drastic moves. Plus any big move will require Harris's contract being moved out and I can't see them moving a real culture guy like him.

[theBigLip]

I might post this on the trade board as an open question - what would it take for us to get Jabari Smith Jr? That would be a perfect piece to add to our young core.

But I don’t want to give up core players, basically just draft choices. So we can’t trade FRP until 2027, so what about FRPs in 2027, 2029 and 2031? These will likely be in the 20s, so it isn’t too bad. But maybe not even good enough for Houston.

[smann7]

I might post this on the trade board as an open question - what would it take for us to get Jabari Smith Jr? That would be a perfect piece to add to our young core.

But I don’t want to give up core players, basically just draft choices. So we can’t trade FRP until 2027, so what about FRPs in 2027, 2029 and 2031? These will likely be in the 20s, so it isn’t too bad. But maybe not even good enough for Houston.

Why can’t we trade a 26 first? I though we were good to go now that the pick we owed the Knicks conveyed this year.

[theBigLip]

I might post this on the trade board as an open question - what would it take for us to get Jabari Smith Jr? That would be a perfect piece to add to our young core.

But I don’t want to give up core players, basically just draft choices. So we can’t trade FRP until 2027, so what about FRPs in 2027, 2029 and 2031? These will likely be in the 20s, so it isn’t too bad. But maybe not even good enough for Houston.

Why can’t we trade a 26 first? I though we were good to go now that the pick we owed the Knicks conveyed this year.

Because you can’t trade them in consecutive years. It would have to wait a year, but we could make a deal w 2026 pick by drafting the player a team wants, then just trade the draft rights. But that doesn’t help us get JSJ for next season.

[TPA]

I might post this on the trade board as an open question - what would it take for us to get Jabari Smith Jr? That would be a perfect piece to add to our young core.

But I don’t want to give up core players, basically just draft choices. So we can’t trade FRP until 2027, so what about FRPs in 2027, 2029 and 2031? These will likely be in the 20s, so it isn’t too bad. But maybe not even good enough for Houston.

Why can’t we trade a 26 first? I though we were good to go now that the pick we owed the Knicks conveyed this year.

Because you can’t trade them in consecutive years. It would have to wait a year, but we could make a deal w 2026 pick by drafting the player a team wants, then just trade the draft rights. But that doesn’t help us get JSJ for next season.

We can trade future first-round draft picks immediately after this June's draft, correct?

[MotownMadness]

Why can’t we trade a 26 first? I though we were good to go now that the pick we owed the Knicks conveyed this year.

Because you can’t trade them in consecutive years. It would have to wait a year, but we could make a deal w 2026 pick by drafting the player a team wants, then just trade the draft rights. But that doesn’t help us get JSJ for next season.

We can trade future first-round draft picks immediately after this June's draft, correct?

Yea

You just can’t have consecutive picks owed out at the same time. Once that pick is made we’re good. Unless I’m wrong here but that’s the way I’ve always thought.

[Crymson]

I've noticed a widespread misconception among those who don't watch the Rockets about what JSJ is. He has somehow gotten the reputation of being a solid three-and-D wing. He is not, and he's been a major disappointment for the Rockets so far.

The main question marks about Jabari going into the 2022 draft centered around his handle, his passing, and his ability to create offense, but he was judged to have a safe floor as a jumbo three-and-D guy who could shoot a high percentage from the perimeter even on contested shots and defend three positions. He has fallen well below even his floor projection. He's extremely limited on offense: he can't dribble, can't pass, can't create any offense for himself, and can't even attack closeouts well. All he can do is shoot open standstill threes, and he's only average rather good at that. His defense is more just solid rather than anything special.

If he'd been taken #1 as many draft analysts predicted, he'd be facing the huge bust label right now.

Because you can’t trade them in consecutive years. It would have to wait a year, but we could make a deal w 2026 pick by drafting the player a team wants, then just trade the draft rights. But that doesn’t help us get JSJ for next season.

The Stepien Rule applies only to future drafts. Once any given draft is complete, that rule no longer references it. The Pistons will be free to trade their 2026 first-round pick after the first round of the upcoming concludes.

We can trade future first-round draft picks immediately after this June's draft, correct?

That's correct.

[theBigLip]

The Stepien Rule applies only to future drafts. Once any given draft is complete, that rule no longer references it. The Pistons will be free to trade their 2026 first-round pick after the first round of the upcoming concludes.

We can trade future first-round draft picks immediately after this June's draft, correct?

That's correct.

Thx for the clarification.

[theBigLip]

I've noticed a widespread misconception among those who don't watch the Rockets about what JSJ is. He has somehow gotten the reputation of being a solid three-and-D wing. He is not, and he's been a major disappointment for the Rockets so far.

The main question marks about Jabari going into the 2022 draft centered around his handle, his passing, and his ability to create offense, but he was judged to have a safe floor as a jumbo three-and-D guy who could shoot a high percentage from the perimeter even on contested shots and defend three positions. He has fallen well below even his floor projection. He's extremely limited on offense: he can't dribble, can't pass, can't create any offense for himself, and can't even attack closeouts well. All he can do is shoot open standstill threes, and he's only average rather good at that. His defense is more just solid rather than anything special.

If he'd been taken #1 as many draft analysts predicted, he'd be facing the huge bust label right now.

So we can agree he hasn’t lived up to the #3 pick, which might make him be more obtainable. He just turned 22 so clearly has room to grow. If we think Ausar and Holland can improve their offensive game, JSJ at 22 seems to still have some potential.

What do you think Houston would need for a trade? And another big question is what kind of extension do you think he’ll expect when that comes up?

[Rip32]

Zion Williamson is a beast when healthy. A change of scenery will do him good. Because of his injury history, he can be had on the cheap. Tobias (cap relief) and a couple of future 1st rd draft picks. All picks tied to his health.

He instantly becomes the #1 scoring option and a closer imo

Make it happen Langdon

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[MotownMadness]

Zion Williamson is a beast when healthy. A change of scenery will do him good. Because of his injury history, he can be had on the cheap. Tobias (cap relief) and a couple of future 1st rd draft picks. All picks tied to his health.

He instantly becomes the #1 scoring option and a closer imo

Make it happen Langdon

Watch on YouTube

The upside could be massive if everything worked out. I think they would want way too much for him though.

[Rip32]

Zion Williamson is a beast when healthy. A change of scenery will do him good. Because of his injury history, he can be had on the cheap. Tobias (cap relief) and a couple of future 1st rd draft picks. All picks tied to his health.

He instantly becomes the #1 scoring option and a closer imo

Make it happen Langdon

Watch on YouTube

The upside could be massive if everything worked out. I think they would want way too much for him though.

He could demand he wants out and will only play for the Pistons. Teams are going to trade for a guy that doesn't want to be there. I think he has a lot of leverage
A healthy Zion and healthy Piston team win the Chip next year.

[theBigLip]

Zion Williamson is a beast when healthy. A change of scenery will do him good. Because of his injury history, he can be had on the cheap. Tobias (cap relief) and a couple of future 1st rd draft picks. All picks tied to his health.

He instantly becomes the #1 scoring option and a closer imo

Make it happen Langdon

Watch on YouTube

The upside could be massive if everything worked out. I think they would want way too much for him though.

He could demand he wants out and will only play for the Pistons. Teams are going to trade for a guy that doesn't want to be there. I think he has a lot of leverage
A healthy Zion and healthy Piston team win the Chip next year.

Would Dumars do that for us?

[the_l_train]

Zion Williamson is a beast when healthy. A change of scenery will do him good. Because of his injury history, he can be had on the cheap. Tobias (cap relief) and a couple of future 1st rd draft picks. All picks tied to his health.

He instantly becomes the #1 scoring option and a closer imo

Make it happen Langdon

Watch on YouTube

The upside could be massive if everything worked out. I think they would want way too much for him though.

He could demand he wants out and will only play for the Pistons. Teams are going to trade for a guy that doesn't want to be there. I think he has a lot of leverage
A healthy Zion and healthy Piston team win the Chip next year.

Lots of what-ifs here, but if Trajan does this we have to trust his judgement. He knows what he’s getting into.

Players like Zion don’t fall into your lap like this. Lots of people are gonna complain but then shut up real quick as soon as they see that first Cade to Zion alley-oop combo.

He is worth the risk, and our situation and JB is exactly what he needs…we don’t need draft picks if we are in win-now mode, so for the exact trade you laid out, you do it in a heartbeat.

(…Aaaaaaand here come the haters to remind us he is fat and has an injury history)

[bstein14]

Dumars and Weaver would want Ausar(or Duren) and Ivey for Zion.

[Crymson]

(…Aaaaaaand here come the haters to remind us he is fat and has an injury history)

Today I learned that pointing out the downsides of acquiring one of the least healthy, most injury-prone players in the league, one who has missed more games than he's played in the NBA, makes one a "hater."

The one and only reason Zion is even available on the trade market is his chronic injuries, which have made him an overall dud and a huge disappointment in New Orleans. It's the same reason he's likely to provide poor value to anyone else: his health is extremely unlikely to get better at this point, and it might even get worse. And anyone who forgets about Zion's injury history at the first alley-oop will certainly remember it when he inevitably ends up out of the lineup for an extended stretch. And then when it happens again. And again.

When a player is off the court with injury, he isn't merely providing zero value -- he's also levying the opportunity cost of the team not having spent the salary and assets used on him instead on somebody who's regularly able to play.

No offense, but it's like you folks are focusing only on Zion's talent while completely ignoring the reason he's on the trade block to begin with. Trading assets for him would be like splurging on a highly breakdown-prone Ferrari that's exceedingly likely to spend most of its time in the shop getting repaired because of its constant breakdowns, then getting surprised when it keeps breaking down. Except worse, in fact, because auto purchases don't have a CBA and players don't have components you can replace.