The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[Saberestar]

I do not see the point in getting the number 3 if you are not going to demolish the team. What could be the reasons to exchange a 37 YO KD for a 35 YO PG that has two more contract years than KD and seems to be, suddenly, is far worse conditions...???

I would try to do this, if attainable...

PG and number 3 to Utah
Markannen to Phoenix
KD to Philly

What ese could the Jazz need to accept receiving PG?
In a year 98 million dollars will come off the books for them.

Markannen is a worse player than KD, that would be an straight downgrade without getting any picks back.

Markannen + #5? Yeah, that would be a fair deal.

[Frank Lee]

We have regressed into “People are saying….” passing as news.

Some ridiculous deals being proposed. Ghost please focus on the draft because your trades are absolutely mythical …and worse is your ‘anything can happen why not man? ’ defense of them. Stick to your forte and shelve the trader ghost notion. My gawd, is there a team you haven’t tried to trade KD or Beal, and now PGeorge to? Also, I’m amazed that some hold onto to trading Beal as an out.

Our hands are so tied and assets so few that it is more likely the bare minimum gets done than any of these clickbaiting artificial content stories and wildly lopsided trades. Y’all are expecting teams to do exactly what F-d us… trade for Beal and gut your team for Durant.

I’ll give you my prediction…. We buyout and stretch Beal, Sign Nance Jr, draft a point guard and resign Gillespie. Then Snag a couple second rounders/undrafted bigs…oh, and more importantly, keep and later extend KD.

The only thing that deters this is a colossal offer for The Dim Reaper. Which just seems far fetched at this point as Houston looks to be the only true suitor.

This should be an Occam,s Razor off season. The more this front office tries to do the bigger risk of complete failure. And with out our picks, a monumental disaster looms. I’ll be damned if I go down with the ship. Been treading water 10 of the last 12 years as it is.

[Rebound Mound]

I do not see the point in getting the number 3 if you are not going to demolish the team. What could be the reasons to exchange a 37 YO KD for a 35 YO PG that has two more contract years than KD and seems to be, suddenly, is far worse conditions...???

I would try to do this, if attainable...

PG and number 3 to Utah
Markannen to Phoenix
KD to Philly

What ese could the Jazz need to accept receiving PG?
In a year 98 million dollars will come off the books for them.

Markannen is a worse player than KD, that would be an straight downgrade without getting any picks back.

Markannen + #5? Yeah, that would be a fair deal.

Markannen is 10 years younger. On a longer contract. Can play 2/3 positions, is a PF that shoots and can defend the post and even centres.
Not a scorrer as KD is... sure... who wants that?
This is a team sport in which the addition of the pieces should improve the return of all those pieces as separates parts...

[Slim Charless]

Yes. There'll be a number of bottom feeder teams that can't ever seem to attract stars or big name players. And George unlike Beal doesn't have a NTC. So we could really send him anywhere we'd need to for pieces and assets.

Which bottom feeder is going to splash that kind of money on a 35 year old PG. The lack of an NTC makes him marginally more attractive only when you compare him to Beal but no one is seriously looking at Beal

Just a few that come to mind are Atlanta (who pursued him around the deadline), Charlotte who hasn't made the playoffs or really landed a big name in almost a decade. And they haven't had a legit big name star talent since LJ back in 92. And BOTH the Hornets and Hawks are desperate to add talent so that their singular star players in Tre Young and Lamelo Ball don't leave/ ask out!

Also Sacramento, Memphis, Washington,
and possibly Chicago (most likely) even though we'd obviously have to take back P Williams contract. Because they're all desperately trying to make the playoffs and be more competitive! Sound familiar? So really any of those teams has potential as a trade partner for George or Beal in a trade back/ trade down scenario man.

Utah is desperate to move up, so what if we traded George or Beal and the 3rd pick for some combination of Collins/ Sexton/ Martin/ 21st pick/ 43rd pick/ LAL 28' 1st/ PHX 31' 1st back. Or maybe just trade them George/ 3rd for Markannen/ 21/ 43/ PHX 31' 1st??

Or maybe trade George/ 3rd pick for..................

Sacramento-
George/ 3rd for DeRozan/ Monk/ Valuncias/ SAC 26'1st/ CHI 25' 2nd (41st pick)/ CHO 27' 2nd.

Charlotte-
George/ 3rd pick for Nurkic expiring/ Bridges/ M Williams/ 33rd pick/ 34th pick/ CHO 27' 1st/ CHO 29' 1st (Top 8 protected)??

Houston-
Beal/ 3rd for J Green/ Sheppard/ Landale/ Whitmore/ 10th pick/ PHX 27' 1st.

Memphis-
George/ 3rd pick for Clarke/ Konchar/ Edey/ GG Jackson/ Wells/ 48th pick/ MEM 27' 1st/ MEM 29' 1st.

Brooklyn-
Cam Johnson/ Clowney/ 19th 26th and 27th picks?

Orlando-
Beal/ Richards/3rd pick for Isaac/ KCP/ Bidatze/ De Silva/ 16th pick/ 25th pick/ORL 28' 1st ( top 10 protected).

Chicago-
George/ Richards/ 3rd pick for Vucevic/ P Williams/ Huerter/ 12th pick/ 45th pick/ POR 26' 1st.

New Orleans-
George/ 3rd for D Murray/ Olynyk/ Hawkins/ Boston/ 26' and 27' Milwaukee 1st (swap rights). ** Then any trade done with Giannis would have to include us for them to get their picks back!

So if Houston trades for Giannis, then Milwaukee can get most of the players, we'd get two back, and we'd get our PHX 1sts back and then give them their firsts back in the three team deal!
** I'd also seek Andre Jackson Jr and Tyler Smith from Milwaukee and Eason and Whitmore from Houston!

If those trade were possible, then why wouldn't Philly just do that themselves? They want KD that badly? If we get PG, then he's stuck here.

[Slim Charless]

If we take PG off the sixers hands I’m asking for 3rd AND the 35th pick. I’m then going to Brooklyn and offering the 3rd, 29th and 35th for the 9th, 19th, 26th and 27th. BK does it for Giannis ammo, Phx does it because no explanation needed.

That defeats the purpose of the trade than. The whole point to trade KD to Sixers and take on the PG contract is the #3 pick which will likely be Ace Bailey. I don't think the 76ers though will be stupid enough to do this. Turning Durant into the #3 pick in this NBA draft is likely the best the Suns can do.

If we do that trade, I would ask Utah for #5 and Walker Kesssler. Gets us a legit young C, and we can probably take someone good still at #5

[Rebound Mound]

I do not know how some of you mix the two paths of drafting young players with keeping Booker and Beal.
Trading KD is a way to get inmediate help, and also not losing him for nothing in a year.

Booker is not going to be here sitting on a chair to see how we develop young players... unless we pay him that 70 mill/year contract. Oh, wait...

I wonder whether he would do something like Brunson and sing for 12/14 mill less and increase our options to go deeper...

[sunsbg]

I do not know how some of you mix the two paths of drafting young players with keeping Booker and Beal.
Trading KD is a way to get inmediate help, and also not losing him for nothing in a year.

Booker is not going to be here sitting on a chair to see how we develop young players... unless we pay him that 70 mill/year contract. Oh, wait...

I wonder whether he would do something like Brunson and sing for 12/14 mill less and increase our options to go deeper...

Nah, he'll just say the team will be bad anyway, let's just get the money.

[ChuckS]

I do not see the point in getting the number 3 if you are not going to demolish the team. What could be the reasons to exchange a 37 YO KD for a 35 YO PG that has two more contract years than KD and seems to be, suddenly, is far worse conditions...???

I would try to do this, if attainable...

PG and number 3 to Utah
Markannen to Phoenix
KD to Philly

What ese could the Jazz need to accept receiving PG?
In a year 98 million dollars will come off the books for them.

Markannen is a worse player than KD, that would be an straight downgrade without getting any picks back.

Markannen + #5? Yeah, that would be a fair deal.

Markannen is 10 years younger. On a longer contract. Can play 2/3 positions, is a PF that shoots and can defend the post and even centres.
Not a scorrer as KD is... sure... who wants that?
This is a team sport in which the addition of the pieces should improve the return of all those pieces as separates parts...

Like you, I am a Markkenan fan. And your strongest point IMO is that he seemingly will still be good after KD retires. I once thought the current team with him would make us instantly competitive, even lacking a good PG. But if I understand correctly losing KD for him is opposed to what you are saying in your last sentence about additions. We certainly would not improve our size problem. He does "nothing" as well as KD. And as far as the answer as to who would want such a scorer like Durant, I think everybody. The Knicks are a great example. They have made such good trades to strengthen the team (Mikal, etc). But without Brunson, and to some degree KAT, IMO, they would still be "also rans". How does it profit a team without a good draft pick until 2032 (if we don't lose that) to exchange a player averaging 27PPG @ 53/43% for one who averages 19PPG at 42/35% and gets fewer rebounds and assists? "Saber" has a good point, if we also get a good pick in this year's draft (and I think if it helps our size problem).

I could be wrong. I have no aptitude for trade proposals.

[Saberestar]

I do not see the point in getting the number 3 if you are not going to demolish the team. What could be the reasons to exchange a 37 YO KD for a 35 YO PG that has two more contract years than KD and seems to be, suddenly, is far worse conditions...???

I would try to do this, if attainable...

PG and number 3 to Utah
Markannen to Phoenix
KD to Philly

What ese could the Jazz need to accept receiving PG?
In a year 98 million dollars will come off the books for them.

Markannen is a worse player than KD, that would be an straight downgrade without getting any picks back.

Markannen + #5? Yeah, that would be a fair deal.

Markannen is 10 years younger. On a longer contract. Can play 2/3 positions, is a PF that shoots and can defend the post and even centres.
Not a scorrer as KD is... sure... who wants that?
This is a team sport in which the addition of the pieces should improve the return of all those pieces as separates parts...

Markannen is like KD but basically worse at everything.

Yeah, he is younger and I like him but he isn't a good post defender or rebounder, so he wouldn't add anything of that.

[Slim Charless]

Markannen is a worse player than KD, that would be an straight downgrade without getting any picks back.

Markannen + #5? Yeah, that would be a fair deal.

Markannen is 10 years younger. On a longer contract. Can play 2/3 positions, is a PF that shoots and can defend the post and even centres.
Not a scorrer as KD is... sure... who wants that?
This is a team sport in which the addition of the pieces should improve the return of all those pieces as separates parts...

Markannen is like KD but basically worse at everything.

Yeah, he is younger and I like him but he isn't a good post defender or rebounder, so he wouldn't add anything of that.

Bill simmons floated the idea on his podcast about trading Booker for AD. THe idea is that Dallas shifts to making the team about Flagg, so they trade for Booker to make room in the front court.

AD at the 5 with Beal and Durant isn't a bad team. As long as AD doesn't mind playing 5

[bwgood77]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

For sure.

[bwgood77]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

If Paul George can get back to his normal self it would be great. I always feel like he's underrated. I wonder how Book would feel about that.

Unfortunately it seems like there is quite a drop off after #2 in the draft, though I don't follow it too closely.

[bwgood77]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Paul George's contract might be the worst in the league. That man is toast. But if this isn't the deal, I don't know what is.

... any chance Houston would be willing to send us one of our unprotected future firsts back to swap #3 and #10?

... is #3 and Booker enough for Giannis as part of a three-team deal? Giannis wouldn't end up here, obviously.

If nothing else, having a #3 pick to watch develop might make the next few years bearable. Is VJ Edgecombe really the guy? Another SG... yeesh! I'll go check some highlights.

George was still awesome 2 years ago (year before this one ending)...41.3% from 3, 52.3% from 2, 90.7% from the line, over 61% TS%, 22.6ppg, 5.2rpg, 3.5apg, 1.5 spg.

In the preaseason he hyperextended his knee and dealt with knee issuess all season, the he had a groin issue. He only was able to play in 41 games, o a new dysfunctional team without a consistent lineup.

I don't know that his health issues mean they are there for good. He has had some over the years, but played in 74 games the year before this past one.

[bwgood77]

Taking on another top 3 worst contract in the league sounds like a great idea

So in other words, Ish has to be all for it.

[ChuckS]

Markannen is 10 years younger. On a longer contract. Can play 2/3 positions, is a PF that shoots and can defend the post and even centres.
Not a scorrer as KD is... sure... who wants that?
This is a team sport in which the addition of the pieces should improve the return of all those pieces as separates parts...

Markannen is like KD but basically worse at everything.

Yeah, he is younger and I like him but he isn't a good post defender or rebounder, so he wouldn't add anything of that.

Bill simmons floated the idea on his podcast about trading Booker for AD. THe idea is that Dallas shifts to making the team about Flagg, so they trade for Booker to make room in the front court.

AD at the 5 with Beal and Durant isn't a bad team. As long as AD doesn't mind playing 5

With KD at the three, AD could even play the four, and Richards would be acceptable at the five IMO.

[Slim Charless]

Markannen is like KD but basically worse at everything.

Yeah, he is younger and I like him but he isn't a good post defender or rebounder, so he wouldn't add anything of that.

Bill simmons floated the idea on his podcast about trading Booker for AD. THe idea is that Dallas shifts to making the team about Flagg, so they trade for Booker to make room in the front court.

AD at the 5 with Beal and Durant isn't a bad team. As long as AD doesn't mind playing 5

With KD at the three, AD could even play the four, and Richards would be acceptable at the five IMO..

If we're gonna have Beal starting, then I kinda want Dunn at the 3 if possible. The lack of defense will be apparent and Dunn will help there.

Richards at the 5 would also work if AD refuses to play there I guess.

[Frank Lee]

May be one of these whacked proposals will yield a starting PG?…. Seems like that should be a priority this off season. (And again the DLo chills creep in) I mean, technically, we do not have one inked up. Not even a back up.

Free agency is not going to be the solution

[Calvin Klein]

We have regressed into “People are saying….” passing as news.

.

We've been there for a few years now.

"Some executives in the league reportedly believe Bucks could think about maybe listening to offers for Giannis".


That could be news.

[lilfishi22]

Taking on another top 3 worst contract in the league sounds like a great idea

Just need to move Booker for Embiid for the trifecta of the Top 3

[lilfishi22]

Gambo about the new HC:

Four top candidates that has impressed by now:

• Quinn. Terrific in his interview. Gambo said that he will be shocked if he isn't in the final round.

• Sweeney. Defensive coach. First assistant for so many years.

• Nori. He usually wins the press conference. Smart. First assistant for so many years.

• Ott. Upcoming coach. He has ties with Michigan State. 2nd assistant on the Cavs.

He hasn't heard anything good or bad about Bryant, Hetzel or Bliss.

Fizdale and Borrego are long-shots but he can't rule them out yet.

I'm the anti-Isbhia. If their 3rd aunt's post man walked across a Michigan State lawn 40 years ago, I don't want anything to do with them.