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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#741 » by zzaj » Tue May 20, 2025 5:24 pm

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Walton1one wrote:POR was not one of the teams that sent a scout to watch Yang this year, I doubt they take him

How do you know? Where did you hear this?


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Of course, this does not mean they didn't scout him, they could have, but I would also say that I don't think he fits the profile of player POR is looking for?

Does POR need another drop coverage big? Maybe a Duop Reath replacement?

Pro scout told HoopsHype that Yang compares to Luka Garza for his offensive skills as a passer and shooter. His realistic upside potential is like akin of a Dewayne Dedmon-type career – providing reliable minutes as a stretch big and high-post facilitator. Yang’s combination of floor spacing, passing vision, and high-IQ play could help him carve out a niche as a bench contributor for teams needing a change-of-pace five.


https://hoopshype.com/lists/hansen-yang-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-intel/


I've watched a lot of Yang over the past year and a half...there are quite a few full games available to watch if you search for them.

The player he reminds me most of is Arvydas Sabonis. He obviously doesn't have the advanced court awareness that Sabonis had (which was elite), but some of the interior passing and the way he moves are Sabas-esque.

I think Yang helped himself at the combine. IMHO, he'll be an early second rounder. 2 months ago he was typicall mocked either late second or undrafted.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#742 » by Walton1one » Tue May 20, 2025 5:39 pm

Queen's athletic combine testing results, in short....not good.

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This matches what Givony said when asked by O'Connor what lottery player had the biggest "red flag" and Givony rephrased it and said concern and it was Queen, needs to be in better shape, needs to take take the process & his body\conditioning more seriously. IMO, that is not a good sign, cause he talks about needing the right team, surrounding him with the right people, a nutritionist etc...

IMO that is a lot of extra work, to get\keep a player in shape\right frame of mind. Yes, he is offensively skilled (defense is another matter) & could well end up being a good\great player, but like Ware LY (motor issues) who had a good Y1, I don't think it is worth taking that risk.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#743 » by Walton1one » Tue May 20, 2025 7:47 pm

No Ceilings Scout on Alex Condon, most likely he goes back to school

Condon is the type of player that could fit well with DC as a backup center, a little more mobile, better shooter, good connective player like Clingan can be, plays hard, runs the court, defends well. I would rather see POR try and draft him than PF types trying to work as a small ball center.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/alex-condon-is-the-fixer?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=536361&post_id=163500055&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1f5gb9&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

A player who can fill roles and holes on a team’s offense or defense is an extremely valuable asset. While rarely a star, a fixer on the basketball court simply makes their team better and opens up new heights to reach. In this year’s draft, one player that’s stood out as a potential fixer at the next level, given what he did to help spring his team to a title win: Perth native and Florida Gator Alex Condon.


Alex Condon...He and Haugh were the only players on Florida’s roster to rank in the team’s top five in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks per game, with the important distinction that Condon did so while starting 35 games. While playing as many minutes per game as Haugh, Condon arguably had the more important role given his status on both ends of the floor for the Gators...Condon was never relied upon to carry the load on offense for the Gators...was key to Florida, ranking second in BartTorvik’s adjusted offensive efficiency.


His speed is one of his rare traits as a center, and he even beat wings and springy forwards down the court regularly. Once down the floor, Condon’s great catch radius and finishing touch shone, along with his body positioning to wedge himself under the hoop with a deep seal. It’s no wonder, per Synergy, that Condon shot a sterling 78.8% on his transition twos when you tune into the tape...His gargantuan size is a big part, alongside his surprisingly springy leaping ability, but he also brings a soft touch and has great hands to catch lobs and bounce passes. Per Synergy, Condon shot 63.5% at the rim this season, with a “Very Good” rating. Whether off screens, dives to the rim, cuts, or putbacks, there weren’t many looks that Condon couldn’t put into the basket when he got the ball.


...Condon is great on the interior on offense. He’s just as good at passing on the inside, alongside his outside looks...Condon’s stifling screens played a big part, as he would hand off to shooters before walling off their pursuing defenders, but Condon was also great at big-to-big passing and spraying shots out to the perimeter off rebounds. His 1.44 assist-to-turnover ratio, with just a 12.6% turnover percentage, also highlights how careful of a distributor Condon was in the Florida offense.


You shouldn’t confuse Condon as a center-initiator in the vein of Nikola Jokic or Domantas Sabonis. Still, he does show enough verve and vision on his passes that comparisons to a player like, say, Alperen Sengun are a bit more apt. Condon has the size advantage to see over a defense; although he lacks the passing reads to create windows, he’s quite suited to keeping an offense flowing and opening up a few new creases on the court.


To have a good defense requires a team effort, but it also requires a player of Condon’s caliber to anchor the middle and clean up the areas of improvement and weakness...Condon’s defensive aptitude starts and ends with his behemoth size. At the combine, he measured just over 6’11” without shoes with a seven-foot wingspan; he weighed in at 221 pounds. While his lack of plus wingspan is a bit concerning, his presence as a mobile seven-footer is most important. The same great athleticism from a running and jumping perspective that helped Condon in transition and on the offensive glass is apparent in everything he does on defense...Per Synergy, opponents only shot 41.5% at the basket with Condon as the primary defender, which earned a “Very Good” grade...Condon had a 5.8% block percentage in his freshman season and a 5.5% block percentage in his sophomore campaign this past year. Combined with his rim defense percentage, those numbers form the statistical picture of a terrifying monolith inside.


On tape, it’s exhilarating to watch how Condon gets his blocks. He’s just as imposing with his verticality and long reach as a primary defender as he is coming off the weakside for a surprising swat. Condon is also notable for his chase-down expertise and ability to stay stuck to driving perimeter players before knocking away their would-be attempts. Condon’s most important “fix” for the Florida defense was that even when he didn’t contest the shot, Condon’s long arm of the law could dissuade and disrupt attempts at the rim...ability to absorb contact at the rim without fouling is another major feather in his defensive cap. He only averaged 2.3 fouls committed per game this season despite serving as the last line of defense...Condon’s body control and physicality without fouling also helped him to back-to-back seasons with a 22.5% defensive rebounding percentage and a 19.3% defensive rebounding percentage, each representing dominance over the defensive glass.


...he isn’t the mega-athlete needed to be a true switch defender, Condon holds his own on defense outside of the paint. It won’t be his role at the next level, but based upon his athleticism, technique, and reflexes, Condon is built to switch pick-and-rolls before getting back to wall off the paint...active hands...does cover a large area of the court with his presence...stance is hard to drive right by, and even when he’s beaten, his hips are fluid enough to whip around. Then, he uses his hands to disrupt passes and jar the ball loose on drives and dishes...ended up with a 2.0% steals percentage. That’s high enough for me to project him as a multifaceted defensive playmaker, as he often forces turnovers and keeps his blocks inbound.


From a true perimeter standpoint, Condon is firmly average in his defense on guards and wings. He’s often a step slow on his contests, which comes partially due to his positioning near the paint, but his massive size and quick first steps let him contest shots he shouldn’t have the right to get to. Condon also usually closes out under control, letting his reach do the talking, and he never flies by far enough for a defender to shake him out for an open shot. He gets blown by on the outside, but his lateral movement and hips flip fast enough to stay attached to drives and pull-up attempts.

Per Synergy, Alex Condon had some of the most eye-popping defensive numbers this season on spot-ups, isos, and against pick-and-roll ball handlers. Against spot-ups, Condon held opponents to an “Excellent” rating of 30.5% on 82 attempts. Against isolations,he put up a “Very Good” mark of just 25.0% on 36 shots. Finally, although it was on just 15 possessions, Condon gave up a minuscule 6.7% from the field against pick-and-roll ball-handlers...I don’t think he can be a true DPOY-level rim anchor. He’s got a bit of a short reach and isn’t a top percentile athlete, but other than that, Condon’s got most of the other important bases covered...pro-ready his interior defense is, which, as a 20-year-old player, should entice many NBA teams.


If Alex Condon never improves a single aspect of his game again, he’s still a likely multi-year NBA player. A seven-footer with real defensive chops inside and out, who can also rim-run and play well within the flow of an offense, is the exact type of backup big man that plays for a decade in the NBA...all of what Alex Condon could improve upon in his game would make him a likely starter-level NBA player...


The first place to nitpick Condon’s game for fixes is how often he turns the ball over. Critiquing a big man with a 12.6% turnover percentage may feel asinine, but there’s room for improvement for a guy who will never be a high-usage offensive player. Condon’s turnovers fall into two major buckets: errant passes and clumsy stumbles. I can live with the passes, as he hits those reads more often than he misses, but improving his balance and footwork could make Condon’s turnover percentage go from great to spectacular quickly.

From a scoring perspective, there are a few places that Condon is either leaving behind scraps or could be picking up more buckets. Despite his great finishing at the rim, per Synergy, Condon only hit 53.3% of his two-point attempts as the roll man in screening situations. Given Condon’s stiff screen game and likely future uptick as a roller, this is an essential area for him to fix. If he can show more finishes like in the flashes below, it’s hard to find fault in his interior offensive scoring arsenal.

The last bit to add to Condon’s inside-the-arc offense would be evolving as a driver and cutter. He’s already great at ducking into the dunker’s spot, but he shot just 61.0% on his cuts. That number should be higher for a player of his size. As a driver, although it was few and far between, Condon did show off a great pump-and-drive from the perimeter. His handle is too stiff and robotic to earn him any ball-handling roles, but having the occasional drive in his back pocket would round out his game and raise his offensive ceiling.


So, how is Condon’s shooting at this juncture? It’s limited. He’s a judicious shooter, only taking 58 threes this year and 38 last year for a career 31.3% percentage from deep. From a mechanical perspective, Condon’s not a great shooter, as he has a slow release that starts lower and passes a bit too much in front of his field of vision. He does keep his feet set, however; that, alongside his towering height, makes release issues surmountable in the long run...Per Synergy, as a spot-up shooter, Alex Condon shot 16/35, or 45.7%, on these attempts...As a screener, however, it was a different story. Condon only hit 2/18, or 11.1%, of his shots as a pick-and-roll roll man. These possessions are where Condon gets off-balance, can’t square his base, and thus puts up some of the uglier shot attempts...

Condon does fit into a potent modern BartTorvik of players who have an offensive rebounding percentage over 10.0%, a >5.0% blocks percentage, a >2.0 steals percentage, and more than 50 three-point attempts in a season.


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He isn’t quite the elusive “unicorn” that every team would love to have, but Condon is certainly a modern big man who can do almost everything his team asks of him on either end...he’s ready right now to play NBA minutes on a good team. That’s not something you can say about other similar big men in this draft, who could use a few more seasons of seasoning to develop...With a few more improvements, Condon would be the same jack-of-all-trades fixer he expertly was for the Gators this season. It would be a case of outlier development for Condon to improve as a shooter and a ball-handler, but the shooting and some touching up of his rolling and footwork would make him a clear starting NBA center. That player, who can fix mistakes on offense and defense while raising the team’s ceiling, is the type that every team in the league covets for filling out and fixing their roster.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#744 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue May 20, 2025 8:22 pm

Walton1one wrote:Queen's athletic combine testing results, in short....not good.

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This matches what Givony said when asked by O'Connor what lottery player had the biggest "red flag" and Givony rephrased it and said concern and it was Queen, needs to be in better shape, needs to take take the process & his body\conditioning more seriously. IMO, that is not a good sign, cause he talks about needing the right team, surrounding him with the right people, a nutritionist etc...

IMO that is a lot of extra work, to get\keep a player in shape\right frame of mind. Yes, he is offensively skilled (defense is another matter) & could well end up being a good\great player, but like Ware LY (motor issues) who had a good Y1, I don't think it is worth taking that risk.


Ayton without the size or athleticism. Anyone who doesn't like Ayton is going to hate Queen for the same reasons.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#745 » by zzaj » Tue May 20, 2025 8:34 pm

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Walton1one wrote:Queen's athletic combine testing results, in short....not good.

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This matches what Givony said when asked by O'Connor what lottery player had the biggest "red flag" and Givony rephrased it and said concern and it was Queen, needs to be in better shape, needs to take take the process & his body\conditioning more seriously. IMO, that is not a good sign, cause he talks about needing the right team, surrounding him with the right people, a nutritionist etc...

IMO that is a lot of extra work, to get\keep a player in shape\right frame of mind. Yes, he is offensively skilled (defense is another matter) & could well end up being a good\great player, but like Ware LY (motor issues) who had a good Y1, I don't think it is worth taking that risk.


Ayton without the size or athleticism. Anyone who doesn't like Ayton is going to hate Queen for the same reasons.


Queen's skill with the ball off the dribble and with the ball in his hands + his passing ability are already about 5x what Ayton has as an NBA veteran.

Personally, while being "last" in anything is always going to be a concern for a lottery pick...I find most of the athletic testing at the combine to be completely overrated. Last year around this time Edey was beating SFs in the lane agility drill...
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#746 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue May 20, 2025 9:04 pm

I dont think Queen should even be on our board. He is a horrible fit next to DC and will be a C in the league.

The guy is a facsimile of Jared Sullinger and IDK how more people dont see it. In the NBA Sullinger was a decent scorer, rebounder and passer in terms of raw stats but was a turnstyle and never good enough to justify the usage that his archetype demanded. Queen is in the same category.

Queen FR 6'10 / 7'0WS / 250lbs / 28" Max Vert / 9'1.5 SR
16.5ppg / 9.0rpg / 1.9apg / 1.1bpg / 1.1spg / 2.4TO / 0.2-1.0 3PT (20%) / 52% FG / 4.6-6.1 FT (76%) / 30mpg
16.9 TRB% / 11.6 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 3.8 BLK% / 26.6% USG / 3.1 OWS / 2.8 DWS / 5.8 WS / .216 WS48 / 5.1 OBPM / 4.2 DBPM / 117 ORTG / 92.4 DRTG

Sullinger FR 6'9 / 7.1WS / 268lbs / 31" Max Vert / 8'11 SR
17.2ppg / 10.2rpg / 1.2apg / 0.5bpg / 1.0spg / 1.6TO / 0.1-0.3 3PT (.25%) / 54% FG / 5.1-7.2 FT (70%) / 31mpg
20.1 TRB% / 7.4 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 2.0 BLK% / 27% USG / 5.4 OWS / 2.9 DWS / 8.3 WS / .283 WS48 / 7.1 OBPM / 2.4 DBPM / 126 ORTG / 89.6 DRTG

They are strikingly similar. The 9% ORB for Queen is pretty poor as well for someone with his size and strength. I dont see the value of a poor mans Sengun in Portland. And I dont think Queen is nearly the passer or possesses nearly the subtle finess moves Sengun does that gets his guy off balance / gets Sengun to his spots.

CMB and Queen are my two easy 'im out' guys in this draft.
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Post#747 » by dckingsfan » Tue May 20, 2025 9:13 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I dont think Queen should even be on our board. He is a horrible fit next to DC and will be a C in the league.

The guy is a facsimile of Jared Sullinger and IDK how more people dont see it. In the NBA Sullinger was a decent scorer, rebounder and passer in terms of raw stats but was a turnstyle and never good enough to justify the usage that his archetype demanded. Queen is in the same category.

Queen FR 6'10 / 7'0WS / 250lbs / 28" Max Vert / 9'1.5 SR
16.5ppg / 9.0rpg / 1.9apg / 1.1bpg / 1.1spg / 2.4TO / 0.2-1.0 3PT (20%) / 52% FG / 4.6-6.1 FT (76%) / 30mpg
16.9 TRB% / 11.6 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 3.8 BLK% / 26.6% USG / 3.1 OWS / 2.8 DWS / 5.8 WS / .216 WS48 / 5.1 OBPM / 4.2 DBPM / 117 ORTG / 92.4 DRTG

Sullinger FR 6'9 / 7.1WS / 268lbs / 31" Max Vert / 8'11 SR
17.2ppg / 10.2rpg / 1.2apg / 0.5bpg / 1.0spg / 1.6TO / 0.1-0.3 3PT (.25%) / 54% FG / 5.1-7.2 FT (70%) / 31mpg
20.1 TRB% / 7.4 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 2.0 BLK% / 27% USG / 5.4 OWS / 2.9 DWS / 8.3 WS / .283 WS48 / 7.1 OBPM / 2.4 DBPM / 126 ORTG / 89.6 DRTG

They are strikingly similar. The 9% ORB for Queen is pretty poor as well for someone with his size and strength. I dont see the value of a poor mans Sengun in Portland. And I dont think Queen is nearly the passer or possesses nearly the subtle finess moves Sengun does that gets his guy off balance / gets Sengun to his spots.

CMB and Queen are my two easy 'im out' guys in this draft.

Queen should be a PF and "could be" a good fit next to DC. The could be is if he develops a better shot and puts the work in on his body.

On the defensive end, Queen needs to be next to a really good defensive rebounder, know any of those? On the offense end, he has really good skills - add a 3 point shot and there you have it...

Not saying Queen is who I would pick but he does have a high offensive ceiling if he gets developed on the right team.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#748 » by Case2012 » Tue May 20, 2025 9:21 pm

zzaj wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Walton1one wrote:Queen's athletic combine testing results, in short....not good.

Read on Twitter


This matches what Givony said when asked by O'Connor what lottery player had the biggest "red flag" and Givony rephrased it and said concern and it was Queen, needs to be in better shape, needs to take take the process & his body\conditioning more seriously. IMO, that is not a good sign, cause he talks about needing the right team, surrounding him with the right people, a nutritionist etc...

IMO that is a lot of extra work, to get\keep a player in shape\right frame of mind. Yes, he is offensively skilled (defense is another matter) & could well end up being a good\great player, but like Ware LY (motor issues) who had a good Y1, I don't think it is worth taking that risk.


Ayton without the size or athleticism. Anyone who doesn't like Ayton is going to hate Queen for the same reasons.


Queen's skill with the ball off the dribble and with the ball in his hands + his passing ability are already about 5x what Ayton has as an NBA veteran.

Personally, while being "last" in anything is always going to be a concern for a lottery pick...I find most of the athletic testing at the combine to be completely overrated. Last year around this time Edey was beating SFs in the lane agility drill...


I agree about the athletic measurements but I'm not sure what the gripe about Edey is? He just made first team all rookie. I like Clingan but i'm still really annoyed we took him over Edey who is a better player, more gifted physically, higher iq, etc etc. Schmitz clearly has tunnel vision evaluating prospects and was going take Clingan no matter what, when there were better players on the board. Same goes for Scoot, Sharpe, Murray etc. I think there will be better players on the board when we pick than Demin, but I'll bet anyone here that's our pick.
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Post#749 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue May 20, 2025 9:30 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I dont think Queen should even be on our board. He is a horrible fit next to DC and will be a C in the league.

The guy is a facsimile of Jared Sullinger and IDK how more people dont see it. In the NBA Sullinger was a decent scorer, rebounder and passer in terms of raw stats but was a turnstyle and never good enough to justify the usage that his archetype demanded. Queen is in the same category.

Queen FR 6'10 / 7'0WS / 250lbs / 28" Max Vert / 9'1.5 SR
16.5ppg / 9.0rpg / 1.9apg / 1.1bpg / 1.1spg / 2.4TO / 0.2-1.0 3PT (20%) / 52% FG / 4.6-6.1 FT (76%) / 30mpg
16.9 TRB% / 11.6 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 3.8 BLK% / 26.6% USG / 3.1 OWS / 2.8 DWS / 5.8 WS / .216 WS48 / 5.1 OBPM / 4.2 DBPM / 117 ORTG / 92.4 DRTG

Sullinger FR 6'9 / 7.1WS / 268lbs / 31" Max Vert / 8'11 SR
17.2ppg / 10.2rpg / 1.2apg / 0.5bpg / 1.0spg / 1.6TO / 0.1-0.3 3PT (.25%) / 54% FG / 5.1-7.2 FT (70%) / 31mpg
20.1 TRB% / 7.4 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 2.0 BLK% / 27% USG / 5.4 OWS / 2.9 DWS / 8.3 WS / .283 WS48 / 7.1 OBPM / 2.4 DBPM / 126 ORTG / 89.6 DRTG

They are strikingly similar. The 9% ORB for Queen is pretty poor as well for someone with his size and strength. I dont see the value of a poor mans Sengun in Portland. And I dont think Queen is nearly the passer or possesses nearly the subtle finess moves Sengun does that gets his guy off balance / gets Sengun to his spots.

CMB and Queen are my two easy 'im out' guys in this draft.


CMB at least plays hard and is a good defender. On a team with shooters who needs someone to attack the basket he could have a role.

I can see Queen being a 20/10 guy but those stats are going to empty, Ayton could put up 20/10 if a team let him. Maybe he's slightly better offensively but empty stats are empty stats.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#750 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue May 20, 2025 9:31 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:I dont think Queen should even be on our board. He is a horrible fit next to DC and will be a C in the league.

The guy is a facsimile of Jared Sullinger and IDK how more people dont see it. In the NBA Sullinger was a decent scorer, rebounder and passer in terms of raw stats but was a turnstyle and never good enough to justify the usage that his archetype demanded. Queen is in the same category.

Queen FR 6'10 / 7'0WS / 250lbs / 28" Max Vert / 9'1.5 SR
16.5ppg / 9.0rpg / 1.9apg / 1.1bpg / 1.1spg / 2.4TO / 0.2-1.0 3PT (20%) / 52% FG / 4.6-6.1 FT (76%) / 30mpg
16.9 TRB% / 11.6 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 3.8 BLK% / 26.6% USG / 3.1 OWS / 2.8 DWS / 5.8 WS / .216 WS48 / 5.1 OBPM / 4.2 DBPM / 117 ORTG / 92.4 DRTG

Sullinger FR 6'9 / 7.1WS / 268lbs / 31" Max Vert / 8'11 SR
17.2ppg / 10.2rpg / 1.2apg / 0.5bpg / 1.0spg / 1.6TO / 0.1-0.3 3PT (.25%) / 54% FG / 5.1-7.2 FT (70%) / 31mpg
20.1 TRB% / 7.4 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 2.0 BLK% / 27% USG / 5.4 OWS / 2.9 DWS / 8.3 WS / .283 WS48 / 7.1 OBPM / 2.4 DBPM / 126 ORTG / 89.6 DRTG

They are strikingly similar. The 9% ORB for Queen is pretty poor as well for someone with his size and strength. I dont see the value of a poor mans Sengun in Portland. And I dont think Queen is nearly the passer or possesses nearly the subtle finess moves Sengun does that gets his guy off balance / gets Sengun to his spots.

CMB and Queen are my two easy 'im out' guys in this draft.

Queen should be a PF and "could be" a good fit next to DC. The could be is if he develops a better shot and puts the work in on his body.

On the defensive end, Queen needs to be next to a really good defensive rebounder, know any of those? On the offense end, he has really good skills - add a 3 point shot and there you have it...

Not saying Queen is who I would pick but he does have a high offensive ceiling if he gets developed on the right team.


What are some other comparable PF that are above-replacement level starters in this league and have similar athletic limitations as Queen?

I mean, look at who we just saw in the 2nd round re starting PF -

DEN - Aaron Gordon
OKC - Chet Holmgren
NYK - OG
IND - Pascal Siakiam
CLE - Even Mobley
BOS - Jayson Tatum
MIN - Julius Randle
GSW - Jimmy Butler

Randle is the only one even remotely close - basically all the other guys on that list could be switched onto a SF with ease. Worth noting that Randle at the same weight and size as Queen had a 35.5" max vert. Randle is a exception, not a rule, and it has taken him quite a circuitous route to get to the spot he is currently in. I simply dont see the same wiggle and fluidity in Queen as Randle either- I have a hard time seeing Queen do three crossovers at the 3PT line to get open and hit a 35 footer like Randle does. In fact I see Randle almost as a Barkley in that a guy his size with his fluidity is just so, so rare that looking for the 'next one' is almost certainly not going to work out.

IDK, I know I am being super down on him, but I just cant talk myself into any other viewpoint.

CMB at least plays hard and is a good defender. On a team with shooters who needs someone to attack the basket he could have a role.

I can see Queen being a 20/10 guy but those stats are going to empty, Ayton could put up 20/10 if a team let him. Maybe he's slightly better offensively but empty stats are empty stats.


I agree here. RHJ was a very good defender in his short NBA stint. I see CMB as much of the same as him.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#751 » by zzaj » Tue May 20, 2025 9:37 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I dont think Queen should even be on our board. He is a horrible fit next to DC and will be a C in the league.

The guy is a facsimile of Jared Sullinger and IDK how more people dont see it. In the NBA Sullinger was a decent scorer, rebounder and passer in terms of raw stats but was a turnstyle and never good enough to justify the usage that his archetype demanded. Queen is in the same category.

Queen FR 6'10 / 7'0WS / 250lbs / 28" Max Vert / 9'1.5 SR
16.5ppg / 9.0rpg / 1.9apg / 1.1bpg / 1.1spg / 2.4TO / 0.2-1.0 3PT (20%) / 52% FG / 4.6-6.1 FT (76%) / 30mpg
16.9 TRB% / 11.6 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 3.8 BLK% / 26.6% USG / 3.1 OWS / 2.8 DWS / 5.8 WS / .216 WS48 / 5.1 OBPM / 4.2 DBPM / 117 ORTG / 92.4 DRTG

Sullinger FR 6'9 / 7.1WS / 268lbs / 31" Max Vert / 8'11 SR
17.2ppg / 10.2rpg / 1.2apg / 0.5bpg / 1.0spg / 1.6TO / 0.1-0.3 3PT (.25%) / 54% FG / 5.1-7.2 FT (70%) / 31mpg
20.1 TRB% / 7.4 AST% / 2.0 STL% / 2.0 BLK% / 27% USG / 5.4 OWS / 2.9 DWS / 8.3 WS / .283 WS48 / 7.1 OBPM / 2.4 DBPM / 126 ORTG / 89.6 DRTG

They are strikingly similar. The 9% ORB for Queen is pretty poor as well for someone with his size and strength. I dont see the value of a poor mans Sengun in Portland. And I dont think Queen is nearly the passer or possesses nearly the subtle finess moves Sengun does that gets his guy off balance / gets Sengun to his spots.

CMB and Queen are my two easy 'im out' guys in this draft.



OHHHH thank you...I was trying to remember who Queen reminded me of and couldn't quite put my finger on it. It's TOTALLY Sullinger...
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#752 » by zzaj » Tue May 20, 2025 9:41 pm

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zzaj wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Ayton without the size or athleticism. Anyone who doesn't like Ayton is going to hate Queen for the same reasons.


Queen's skill with the ball off the dribble and with the ball in his hands + his passing ability are already about 5x what Ayton has as an NBA veteran.

Personally, while being "last" in anything is always going to be a concern for a lottery pick...I find most of the athletic testing at the combine to be completely overrated. Last year around this time Edey was beating SFs in the lane agility drill...


I agree about the athletic measurements but I'm not sure what the gripe about Edey is? He just made first team all rookie. I like Clingan but i'm still really annoyed we took him over Edey who is a better player, more gifted physically, higher iq, etc etc. Schmitz clearly has tunnel vision evaluating prospects and was going take Clingan no matter what, when there were better players on the board. Same goes for Scoot, Sharpe, Murray etc. I think there will be better players on the board when we pick than Demin, but I'll bet anyone here that's our pick.


I'm not griping on Edey--I'm only pointing out that he moved faster than some SFs that tested at the combine, and still won't ever be considered "fast".

While I like Edey, I personally don't think he's a better prospect than Clingan, given their age. The concensus had Clingan ahead of Edey largely for that reason. I'm glad both are in the league--I think those player types are good for the NBA.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#753 » by tester551 » Tue May 20, 2025 9:44 pm

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Walton1one wrote:Queen's athletic combine testing results, in short....not good.

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This matches what Givony said when asked by O'Connor what lottery player had the biggest "red flag" and Givony rephrased it and said concern and it was Queen, needs to be in better shape, needs to take take the process & his body\conditioning more seriously. IMO, that is not a good sign, cause he talks about needing the right team, surrounding him with the right people, a nutritionist etc...

IMO that is a lot of extra work, to get\keep a player in shape\right frame of mind. Yes, he is offensively skilled (defense is another matter) & could well end up being a good\great player, but like Ware LY (motor issues) who had a good Y1, I don't think it is worth taking that risk.


Ayton without the size or athleticism. Anyone who doesn't like Ayton is going to hate Queen for the same reasons.


Queen's skill with the ball off the dribble and with the ball in his hands + his passing ability are already about 5x what Ayton has as an NBA veteran.

Personally, while being "last" in anything is always going to be a concern for a lottery pick...I find most of the athletic testing at the combine to be completely overrated. Last year around this time Edey was beating SFs in the lane agility drill...

I agree with you that the combine agility drills are very over-rated... But they do have "some" value.
Your attempt to reference Edey isn't the win you think it is...
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#754 » by zzaj » Tue May 20, 2025 10:00 pm

tester551 wrote:
zzaj wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Ayton without the size or athleticism. Anyone who doesn't like Ayton is going to hate Queen for the same reasons.


Queen's skill with the ball off the dribble and with the ball in his hands + his passing ability are already about 5x what Ayton has as an NBA veteran.

Personally, while being "last" in anything is always going to be a concern for a lottery pick...I find most of the athletic testing at the combine to be completely overrated. Last year around this time Edey was beating SFs in the lane agility drill...

I agree with you that the combine agility drills are very over-rated... But they do have "some" value.
Your attempt to reference Edey isn't the win you think it is...


I'm not really sure what the point of your post is.

I was just using Edey as an example of how the athletic testing results can be overrated. I like Edey as a player (a lot, actually), but nobody is ever going to qualify him as "fast" in the NBA despite doing pretty damned well in the agility drills and performing better than some players almost a foot shorter and 50 pounds lighter than him.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#755 » by Walton1one » Tue May 20, 2025 11:30 pm

Edey had a good year, stat wise he was better than Clingan LY across the board, except for many defensive metrics, which was expected. Edey is also 2 years older than Clingan and playing on a better team overall, those factors are kind of important to note.

How much will Edey improve over the next 2-3 years (25/26 age years)?

Compare that to how much Clingan will improve over the next 4-5 years (age 25/26)

We won't know those answers for a few years, but I am more willing to bet Clingan sees a fair amount of growth and Edey is relatively who he is now. Edey's advanced stats are better on most metrics than Clingan right now, but not by as much as you would expect, and the ones where they are farthest off are, as one would expect on the offensive end.

Zach Edey's advanced stats LY are good
eFG - 86th percentile
TS% - 87th percentile
Rebounding - 96th percentile
ORB - 98th percentile
DRB - 88th percentile
Usage rate: 15.8%, 35th percentile

A\TO was poor @ 18th percentile
assists in the 10th percentile
turnovers in the 10th percentile

Donavan Clingan
eFG - 67th percentile
TS% - 59th percentile
Rebounding - 96th percentile
ORB - 97th percentile
DRB - 91st percentile
Usage rate: 13.8%, 19th percentile

A\TO was 29th percentile
assists 24th percentile
turnovers 12th percentile
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#756 » by Walton1one » Tue May 20, 2025 11:42 pm

Wasserman\BR with a combine risers\fallers.

MILES BYRD
Byrd still seems more likely to wind up in the second round on teams' big boards. Whether he stays in the draft or withdraws will come down to personal preference and goals, specifically how much he cares about securing a guaranteed NBA contract and/or playing in the G League versus returning to be a college star making NIL money. But Byrd clearly has an attractive NBA archetype as a three-and-D wing who can create for others in ball-screen situations.


CEDRIC COWARD
Between his 6'5" height in socks, 213-pound frame, 7'2" wingspan, impressive shooting performances during drills and per-game averages of 17.7 points, 7.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.7 blocks this season, there is suddenly a serious level of intrigue around the 21-year-old. The mystery around his development/upside seems to be working for him, as that has snowballed interest. Scouts are now starting to predict that Coward will sneak into the first round.

With measurements that mirror Kawhi Leonard's from the 2011 combine, Coward has a standout NBA body to go with shotmaking skill, which is a favorable combination for predraft workouts. Buzz/interest like this tends to grow, which could lead to a unique and rapid rise for the former D-II forward.


YANIC KONAN NIEDERHAUSER
Some scouts have admitted to missing or overlooking Yanic Konan Niederhauser at Penn State. One said he'd never seen a player go from mostly unknown to generating this much interest in a span of a few days this late in the process.

After being the talk of Elite Camp last week, Niederhauser got up for a 33-inch standing vertical and a 37-inch max vertical. The eye test backed up those numbers on his finishes during workouts and scrimmages. Despite some moments during scrimmages that highlight a raw feel/game, he created a number of easy baskets off sheer physical and athletic talent.

NBA teams are sure to see him as a dangerous lob target as well as a defensive presence, particularly after reviewing more film of his career 10.2 block percentage in college. I got to see him for a private workout with potential first-round pick Alex Condon, and it wasn't obvious which prospect was more highly regarded.

Niederhauser has quickly gone from off the draft radar into the mid-second-round discussion.


LACHLAN OLBRICH
His instincts were evident and functional for timing dives to the basket, spin moves and offensive rebounds. He showed advanced footwork and body control to create separation and touch to convert from different angles.

Scouts asked about whether he could stay on an NBA floor defensively, but they also sounded optimistic due to his IQ. Olbrich has built a compelling case for teams looking for late-round value.


JAMIR WATKINS
His 6'11" wingspan earned strips and contested shots from on and off the ball. Standing 6'5" barefoot with a 215-pound frame and outstanding length, NBA teams will be drawn to Watkins' potential to lock down and guard multiple positions. The idea of a wing his size that can handle, attack and defend guards and forwards is obviously appealing, especially if he's able to knock down open threes at a respectable rate.

Considering he'll be 24 years old in July, the biggest question now is whether Watkins tries to ride this momentum deeper into the draft process, or if he returns to college, transfers and declares in 2026.


HANSEN YANG
Yang looked like he belonged, playing with swagger and confidence and scoring instincts. He delivered a number of wow-factor plays, including a three-pointer, some fancy footwork from the post and a few beautiful dimes that highlighted obvious passing IQ and quick processing.

There are still some questions about how he'll be able to guard away from the basket in the NBA. But for a 19-year-old who's 7'1" barefoot with the class' second-largest hands, Yang showed enough physicality, skill and feel to look like a worthwhile gamble in the second round.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25195849-2025-nba-draft-combine-biggest-winners-include-emerging-7-footer-china

My guess is that Byrd & watkins will go back to school and get good NIL money.

Lot of talk of Coward rising to lottery, but more likely he goes in the mid\late first

Yang & Niederhauser look to be 2nd round picks, maybe Olbrich as well
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#757 » by Walton1one » Tue May 20, 2025 11:57 pm

Following up that is No Ceilings combine recap:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/the-2025-nba-draft-combine-recap?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=536361&post_id=163731852&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1f5gb9&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

The biggest measurement winners were Thomas Sorber, Rasheer Fleming, and Cedric Coward. At 6’9.25” barefoot, Georgetown’s Sorber always lacked ideal height for a center, and he’s not the bounciest dude, either. But the fact that he came in with an outstanding 7’6” wingspan and 9’1” standing reach goes a long way. His combination of size and skill makes him extremely intriguing. Fleming’s measurables had been bandied about for some time, but getting his 6’8.25” height and 7’5.25” wingspan on official paper is great to see. He also put his quickness on display, registering the second-fastest shuttle run time. Given Fleming’s massive frame, agility, and 39% mark from deep this past year, he’s an exciting proposition for teams picking in the middle and back end of the first round. Cedric Coward came in long, too, standing 6’5.25” with a 7’2.25” wingspan. His fluid movement profile, high motor, gorgeous stroke (career 38.8% from three), and ability to move the ball within a team concept check many role-playing boxes. The last month has been spent telling the public to be prepared for him to go higher than expected. And he still might even go higher than we expect him to go, even after all of that buzz.


Derik Queen had a rough week. His measurements were fine. He stood 6’9.25” barefoot with a 7’0.5” wingspan and a 9’1.5” standing reach while weighing in at 247.8, which isn’t terrible for a smaller center. His athletic testing left a lot to be desired, though. He had the worst lane agility time while coming in second-to-last in every other athletic drill. Add in that he didn’t shoot the ball particularly well, and he didn’t help his “positional tweener” argument...Right now, Queen is a little short for the five-spot without having the bounce to compensate, while being on the slow side for a four without the requisite jump shot. The fact that he’s been productive and won at every level throughout his career cannot go overlooked. He’s still a great bet to hear his name called in the top ten. He just didn’t move the needle or do anything to erase concerns about his game in Chicago.


Drake Powell blew his athletic testing out of the water. His measurements were good, as he stood 6’5.25” with a 7’0” wingspan, but the drills were what put him over the top. He finished in the top ten of every agility drill and registered an event-best 43” max vertical leap. There are still basketball questions to be had here...He’s an okay standstill passer, but his handle could use a lot of work. He was a really good defender, but not an exceptional one. Plus, we didn’t get to see him hoop this week, as he sat out the event’s scrimmages. From an on-court standpoint, there’s a lot of work to be done, and he’s more of a project than a finished product. But a team could easily sell itself on the framework of a player in this mold.


Ryan Kalkbrenner continues to gain favor with me as a “not super exciting, but clearly rock solid” prospect. He measured at 7’1” with a 7’6” wingspan and a 9’4” standing reach...He hit his shots during the shooting drills, and he made 34.4% of his threes this past season. He’s a great finisher and rim protector. If the trailer three gets there, that would make him an ideal backup big man. His subpar rebounding and inconsistent passing give me pause about slotting him too high, but it was a good week for the Creighton product.


Jase Richardson had one of the more disappointing heights in the field. He was listed at 6’3” by Michigan State, but he came in at 6’0.5” barefoot and 178.4 pounds. Throw in athletic testing that was predominantly run-of-the-mill, and he’s going to be faced with a lot of “small guard questions” in the coming weeks. On a positive note, his 6’6” wingspan will go a long way. His excellent shooting off the catch and polished handle shouldn’t go overlooked, either. Still, it feels as if enthusiasm around him has quelled since season’s end.


The biggest winner of the scrimmages this week, in my book, was Yanic Konan Niederhauser. The Penn State big man wasn’t even supposed to be here! He was a G League Elite Camp invitee who earned a call-up to “the big combine.”

Niederhauser came in at 6’11.25” with a 7’3.25” wingspan and did an excellent job in all of the athletic drills...He has serious gravity as a roller. He gets to the basket in a hurry and has ridiculous bounce. If he catches the ball with a runway, the play is over. He gets off the floor with the greatest ease, and he’s always a threat for a put-back dunk if opposing big men fail to put a body on him. Defensively, he has the foot speed to hold his own in space, but he’s best around the basket, where he’s an excellent deterrent. The rim-running, shot-blocking big man has its place on just about every roster, but he’s not a modern, skilled floor spacer or anything like that. Still, Niederhauser is excellent in the areas where he needs to be excellent


Maxime Raynaud was the other big man who made a big splash during the scrimmages. It wouldn’t shock me if he starts to turn up on the first round of draft boards more consistently after this week. He was this year’s Jon Taffer Award Winner, as he SHUT IT DOWN after a dominant first scrimmage...Still, there’s a degree of split consensus around Raynaud. The opposing big men he faced in that game (Michael Ruzic and Lachlan Olbrich) aren’t anything to write home about. And while his defensive positioning in Chicago was better than most of his college tape, he did surrender a bucket to Mark Sears after keeping his hands down for too long deep in the paint...To stick, the jumper is going to have to be legit, or he’ll need to make other improvements. The reason for optimism here is Raynaud’s improvement trajectory. He went from being a non-descript role player to 20.2 PPG scorer over the course of his college career. He’s a late bloomer who has continued to get better and may only be scratching the surface.


Miles Byrd had an interesting week. The defensive specialist out of San Diego State didn’t measure particularly well. His 6’4.75” height, 6’10” wingspan, and 181.8-pound weight were all below what you’d like to see from a player who projects to provide value predominantly on the defensive side of the ball... He used his length well at the point of attack and was eager to make plays as a helper. While he’s always been a willing shooter, the results in college were subpar, as he went 30.1% from deep this past year. In Chicago, he was red-hot, going 5-for-11 from long range...He has the option to return to school, but if he stays in the draft, he could be one of the better value plays on the board.


Tahaad Pettiford had a fascinating week. I’ve long been skeptical of the 6’0.25” guard out of Auburn, but credit to him, he got after it in Chicago. Pettiford’s lack of size and sub-170-pound weigh-in mean he has little room for error at the next level. Still, he helped himself with his 42” vertical leap and an excellent first scrimmage...The second game didn’t go nearly as well. In that one, he went 4-for-15 with six turnovers. Jamir Watkins (who we’ll get to later) absolutely smothered him, and Pettiford struggled to create space when covered by bigger players.


I’ve long found Hansen Yang to be a tricky evaluation. The 7’1” prospect out of China was dominant in the CBA, but my lack of familiarity with the league and his unorthodox style have long left me curious as to how much value to put into that. I thought he helped himself at the combine in Chicago. I do still have questions about his defense and his strength. He’s slow-footed and struggles to recover when beaten on the perimeter. He also fell victim to a strip block from Neoklis Avdalas after failing to go up strong enough inside. When he got mismatches against smaller players, he wasn’t able to pound them under the basket.

But my goodness, is this guy skilled. He has baby soft touch and showed off his three-ball. He made some mesmerizing passes, too. What excites me the most about Yang’s playmaking is its functionality. He can look off dimes and wire accurate, clever dishes. But there’s also a lack of nonsense to his approach. He doesn’t take too long to make a decision, so he’s not a guy who is going to see his value diminished in a non-heliocentric role...I do still think he’s going to take time. His jumper hasn’t fully actualized, and he’s not as quick or strong as the most effective players in his archetype. Still, the package of size, feel, and skill here isn’t a super common one.


I thought Alex Toohey was really solid. On the measurement side, he was a rare “guy who is as tall as he says he is” at 6’7.75” with a 6’10.75” wingspan and a rock-solid 222.8-pound frame...He kept the ball moving, continued advantages, and showed assertiveness from long range...He’s not quite as good of a shooter as I wish he were, but his frame, defensive production, and connective passing all make him worthy of a priority two-way for me


Mackenzie Mgbako had a great week. The 6’7.5” wing earned himself a call-up from G League Elite Camp and played well at the big combine, too...He also showed a better motor on the glass, which was nice to see given his tendency to be a passive player. My gut says his priors aren’t strong enough to stay in this year, but if he were to, it would be a much less puzzling decision now than it would have been a month ago.


Yaxel Lendeborg...He made razor-sharp passes, looked smooth in the open floor, and took his shots with confidence...In the past, staying in the draft would be a no-brainer for someone with his size, skill, and resume. But given the NIL package he’s likely in line for, his decision remains a toss-up, with my guess being that he stays in school for another year.


Florida State’s down year kept Jamir Watkins largely out of sight, out of mind, but he was fantastic. He forced a ton of turnovers (five steals in his second game), made nice passes, and his shot looked good. His smothering defense was the highlight of the third game. Given that the NIL market is starting to dry up at this stage in the process and he hasn’t committed to a school yet, I could see him staying in


Sion James looked a step ahead of the game mentally out there. He was routinely in the right spots defensively, showcased positive body language, and manipulated defenses with his ball skills. His low usage throughout college is troublesome, but his size, strength, and savvy could enable him to hang around the NBA for a long time


Micah Peavy’s specialist-level defense turned heads throughout scrimmage play. He made hustle plays and used his frame well defensively. He ended the week with four steals and a block in two games. His shot remains a concern, and he forced some tough mid-range shots that I could do without, but his passing and defense make him intriguing.
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#758 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 21, 2025 1:35 am

Got this from Blazers Reddit, an article from 2021 on Denim with quotes from Schmitz.

https://en.as.com/en/2021/09/17/nba/1631870761_527152.html

It’s pretty clear they will have Denim super high on their board and may have even been happy his had a mediocre college outing. Question now tho is if Denim will make it all the way down to 11. He had a great combine, great measurements, and I don’t believe scouts will care about his college performance if they believe in his talent.

I could see Denim surprising a lot of people for where he actually ends up getting picked (thinking 6-8 range).
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#759 » by Walton1one » Wed May 21, 2025 4:41 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Got this from Blazers Reddit, an article from 2021 on Denim with quotes from Schmitz.

https://en.as.com/en/2021/09/17/nba/1631870761_527152.html

It’s pretty clear they will have Denim super high on their board and may have even been happy his had a mediocre college outing. Question now tho is if Denim will make it all the way down to 11. He had a great combine, great measurements, and I don’t believe scouts will care about his college performance if they believe in his talent.

I could see Denim surprising a lot of people for where he actually ends up getting picked (thinking 6-8 range).


Yeah, it is clear Schmitz is a fan, and he was front and center for his pro workout day and it was reported that POR had one of the longer meetings with him at the combine and had contract terminology discussions, whatever that means...
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Re: 2025 Blazer Draft Prospects 

Post#760 » by Walton1one » Wed May 21, 2025 4:48 pm

Klutch pro day in LA, Schmitz was in attendance...

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