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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1121 » by WizarDynasty » Tue May 20, 2025 7:51 pm

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The Consiglieri wrote:Well in terms of aloof, dude is French.

I'm interested, raw as hell, helps the tank, has a high ceiling and low floor. I'll consider that at 18. Both he and Beringer (and Traore to a lesser extent) have been primary targets for me because I see them as 2-3 year plan prospects that won't hurt the tank in '25-'26 or '26-'27, and offer long term upside potential, and yeah, the floor is much lower than virtually every preferred 2nd round target on this board, but nearly all those targets I've heard about offer the same that we already have in spades and is typically cheap in FA: Competent, floor prospects that provide some utility and zero chance at stardom or even "very goodness".

For me, with zero future stars on the roster currently (although probably 2 of them still have some minute degree of that potential in Sarr, Bilal, and now that I think of it, even AJ), we need to take big fat swings, not settle for walks, and singles. I don't care if we have a great 5th guy on an average team, that is meaningless (other than as a trade chip, which I concede will have value), I'm hunting for hidden stars, even if the chances of that are only 3-8%, look at Dallas/San Antonio/Philly winning this lottery (Cough), that was 1 in 1000 or rigged. So yeah, I'll swing for the fences, period, until we have our star(s), at which point I think we can afford to try and grab singles, doubles and even walks.

I'm generally leery of the French. I think they have been consistently disappointing as NBA players. Here is a list of French players drafted in the last 25 years:

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I highlighted the few times that their team was actually happy with the draft pick. Every other pick was either a total bust or a modest disappointment. The jury is still out on Risacher.

Wemby was obviously a big success, but that's just because he is a total outlier physical specimen. Other than that, Bilal is the only guy in the last decade who wasn't either a total bust or a significant disappointment relative to his draft.


I feel like Ian Mahinmi and Evan Fournier are in the own category. The teams that had Ian Mahinmi (Dallas and Indiana) and Fournier (Denver and Orlando) early on were fine with him but have reached huge levels of disappointment with their contracts relative to their production later on.

I am trying to figure out the player which you would be closest to the break even point of neither happy nor sad- it might be Pietrus or Serapahin.

Also, Pecherov isn't French.



There has never been a true engine from france. Someone who scored close to 2,000 points at close to 50 percent efficiency.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1122 » by dckingsfan » Tue May 20, 2025 7:58 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:There has never been a true engine from france. Someone who scored close to 2,000 points at close to 50 percent efficiency.
Good point. But Tony Parker was pretty interesting in getting his team buckets with an amazing A/TO ratio. Gobert hasn't been horrible in terms of D :D. And this Wemby kid - I hear he could be pretty good.

Just sayin'
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1123 » by AFM » Tue May 20, 2025 8:07 pm

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AFM wrote:I have to point out that the guys name is Tre Johnson. Tre means three pointer.
Johnson is slang for dick. His name is 3 Point Shooter with a huge Dick. The guy was literally put on this planet to make it rain from 3 then do the Cassell big balls celebration on the way back.


Im sold. Its definitely Tre or Ace for me.

The name is everything. Look at the rapper Bossman D-low. We now know he's a BOSS and he's on the down low.

I would never invest capital in a guy named Cedric Coward. I expect him to be a complete coward in the biggest moments!

You ever seen a good basketball player named Buster? I know I haven't.


You are forgetting something. And that is that the QUEEN is the most powerful piece.



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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1124 » by WizarDynasty » Tue May 20, 2025 8:33 pm

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WizarDynasty wrote:There has never been a true engine from france. Someone who scored close to 2,000 points at close to 50 percent efficiency.
Good point. But Tony Parker was pretty interesting in getting his team buckets with an amazing A/TO ratio. Gobert hasn't been horrible in terms of D :D. And this Wemby kid - I hear he could be pretty good.

Just sayin'

Definition of an engine is very strict. Consistent volume at high efficiency. Consistent volume is 2,000 points or close to it. You have defensive anchors, you have facilitators, but the most valuable asset in the nba is a true engine. It is the trump card over all others. The most powerful piece or most important piece on a chess board. Some teams have two and those are the genius GM's. Wizards have had a true engine since Walt Bellamy and Earl Monroe.
We haven't had one player score close to 2,000 at close to .50 percent since 1969. There you go folks. Until your GM figures out how to get a true engine, expect the same results. So team hasn't had a true engine since 1962. This is why DC laughing stock secretly by Team GM's and Owners. Haven't figured out how to get a true engine in nearly 63 years. That's pretty sad as far GM goes. Not one season could we tank in all of those 62 years to get a true engine.

So Ok.. If we lowered the requirement of a true Engine down to 1,800 points at .50 or above, who qualifies. Total points. Total fgm/ total fga.

1. Walt Bellamy* • 1961-62 2495
2. Gilbert Arenas • 2005-06 2346
3. Walt Bellamy* • 1962-63 2233
4. Walt Bellamy* • 1963-64 2159
5. Gilbert Arenas • 2006-07 2105
6. Bradley Beal • 2018-19 2099
7. Earl Monroe* • 1968-69 2065
8. Gilbert Arenas • 2004-05 2038
9. Earl Monroe* • 1967-68 1991
10. Walt Bellamy* • 1964-65

Remember this is for the entire history of the this franchise.

Field Goals
1. Walt Bellamy* • 1961-62 973/1875 = .5183
2. Walt Bellamy* • 1962-63 840
3. Walt Bellamy* • 1963-64 811
4. Earl Monroe* • 1968-69 809/1637 =.49
5. Jeff Malone • 1989-90 781
6. Bradley Beal • 2018-19 764 / 1609 = .474
7. Elvin Hayes* • 1979-80 761 /1677 = .453
8. Elvin Hayes* • 1976-77 7
9. Gilbert Arenas • 2005-06 746/1668 = .447
10. Earl Monroe* • 1967-68 742 /1637 = .453


Field Goal Attempts
1. Walt Bellamy* • 1961-62 1875
2. Earl Monroe* • 1968-69 1837
3. Elvin Hayes* • 1979-80 1677
4. Elvin Hayes* • 1974-75 1668
Gilbert Arenas • 2005-06 1668
6. Earl Monroe* • 1967-68 1637
7. Kevin Loughery • 1968-69 1636
8. Elvin Hayes* • 1973-74 1627
9. Bradley Beal • 2018-19 1609
10. Elvin Hayes* • 1972-73 1607
Phil Chenier • 1973-74 1607
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1125 » by AFM » Tue May 20, 2025 8:37 pm

I want to ask where you’re getting this from, but I feel like these posts are divinely inspired.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1126 » by Kanyewest » Tue May 20, 2025 8:44 pm

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WizarDynasty wrote:There has never been a true engine from france. Someone who scored close to 2,000 points at close to 50 percent efficiency.
Good point. But Tony Parker was pretty interesting in getting his team buckets with an amazing A/TO ratio. Gobert hasn't been horrible in terms of D :D. And this Wemby kid - I hear he could be pretty good.

Just sayin'


Yeah, I feel like Tony Parker would have gotten there had he been taken by a different team like the Wizards. And someone like Bradley Beal never would have sniffed 2000 points if he played with Spurs or alongside an all star caliber teammate (although maybe he would have done it in 2020-21 with Westbrook had the season not been shorter).

OTOH- there is a higher point of difficulty of being the primary option.

Also does France try to claim Canada as credit and say they were responsible for SGA?
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1127 » by Dat2U » Tue May 20, 2025 8:53 pm

AFM wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
AFM wrote:I have to point out that the guys name is Tre Johnson. Tre means three pointer.
Johnson is slang for dick. His name is 3 Point Shooter with a huge Dick. The guy was literally put on this planet to make it rain from 3 then do the Cassell big balls celebration on the way back.


Im sold. Its definitely Tre or Ace for me.

The name is everything. Look at the rapper Bossman D-low. We now know he's a BOSS and he's on the down low.

I would never invest capital in a guy named Cedric Coward. I expect him to be a complete coward in the biggest moments!

You ever seen a good basketball player named Buster? I know I haven't.


You are forgetting something. And that is that the QUEEN is the most powerful piece.

She smart she fierce


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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1128 » by BMagic » Tue May 20, 2025 8:56 pm

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WizarDynasty wrote:Khaman Maluach is after Queen. I would need to see him palm the ball in the post before I selected him.


Ah here he is, our guy Wiznasty with at least one thing per post that is just a little bit loopy. Explain for me please why you think there is a problem with the hands of a guy who scores 75% from 2, and only turns the ball twice per 100 possessions. One thing I would say, since you will appreciate the change, check out Maluach's play for the Uganda City Oilers in the Africa league. Totally different player. Footwork, mobility, activity on the boards. I actually think an issue with his play for Duke is that he has put on too much muscle. Helped him on the interior and scoring in traffic, but slowed his footspeed down. Still, he has the balance of a soccer player, which helps him stay in a defensive crouch and backpedal when recovering from guarding the outside. He can bowleg with the pro legs.



Khaman has poor hand coordination. Really poor lateral agility and it looks like he already has knee damage from trying to slow guys down using his knees instead of sliding his chest. I would consider him with a second round pick. Queen looks like an engine. An engine is defined as a player who has the potential to score above .50 with high volume. KAT from the knicks in his prime is an engine. Curry in his prime was an engine. Jordan in his prime was an engine. Tim Duncan an Engine. Shaq an engine. Giannis is an engine. Shai-Alex is an engine. Brunson is an engine. Just look at season stats as player who close to or above 2000 and shoots close to . 50 is an engine. If you want any chance at championship, you have to have at least one on your team.
if you go back in history, you will see that there this is usually the case.
So maybe some here think there are players in this draft who can develop into engines besides DQ? DQ has serious defensive problems just like Carmelo Anthony. Maybe its a bmore thing. Players who can shoot close to 50 percent and rack up close to 2000 points are engines. You have high volume scorers with low efficiency like James Harden, Allen Iverson, Gilbert Arenas, Bradley Beal. Very rare to have a shooting guard who is an engine. Usually an engine is a big who can scores with an explosive first step and size.
DQ is the only player in this entire draft that is capable of being an engine? GM is all about strategy. Building a team around an engine. I think that where a GM earns his high salary. I don't see Cooper Flagg as being an engine because he has small forward size and poor handles. REmember hand coordination for a big is very important and you can't teach it. Khaman has no hand coordination and poor lateral footspeed on switches and he no chance at every being an engine in the playoffs.
I don't really worry much because Grunfeld is gone and we have an amazing GM now. AGain, I like Yang but he has huge cultural barrier that will prevent him from leading the team in his early years. By the time he reaches Yao level, he will be in Max contract territory and everyone on the team will have to learn chinese. Bailey is ok 8'11 standing reach is awesome but he plays pretty soft to mean. He doesn't give me scottie pippen vibes. Flagg does not have great body control, i can' see him doing stop and go moves with the ball. He is pretty much take off and no control after his first burst. He has the dimensions of a small forward and his athleticism won't be as big a deal in the NBA. So as long as the GM picks best fit for the team, no biggie. There is no one in this draft that is HOF material. IF DQ develops lateral footspeed, maybe but that almost never happens. He could be a shorter version of KAT as best case scenario. So again, not alot of talent in this draft and there are no all nba players in this draft.
If you can get an engine with positional size, don't hesitate because an engine is very hard to find.


The term "Offensive Hub" is tossed around a ton in the Wizards Twitter-verse, with a lot of fans viewing Queen as an offensive hub due to his feel for the game, good hands & footwork, and ability to pass.

I personally wish he was better on the defensive end and had a better overall motor on the floor to be taking him with a Top 10 pick, but his offensive game is tantalizing imo. He'd have to be highly efficient offensively to mitigate his defensive woes a la Jokic.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1129 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 20, 2025 9:28 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
nate33 wrote:I'm generally leery of the French. I think they have been consistently disappointing as NBA players. Here is a list of French players drafted in the last 25 years:

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I highlighted the few times that their team was actually happy with the draft pick. Every other pick was either a total bust or a modest disappointment. The jury is still out on Risacher.

Wemby was obviously a big success, but that's just because he is a total outlier physical specimen. Other than that, Bilal is the only guy in the last decade who wasn't either a total bust or a significant disappointment relative to his draft.

Filtering the list and taking out the SRPs, it isn't that bad, no?


Agreed, and 5 of the past 8 first round picks are hits (Gobert, Capela, Wemby, Bilal, Risacher) in the sense that they belong in the NBA and have performed at a reasonable level versus slot, Salaun is a developmental prospect from last year, so he doesn't really count as a miss either. The only real misses in the first round since 2013 when they became a long term force in terms of European International Competition, has been Doumboya, and Ntilinkina, Doum was taking mid 1st where hit rate I feel drops sub .500, and Ntilikina was considered a joke at the time in '17, when the Knicks made the pick.

Honestly, the list, when combined with my research of France's performance in European competition, and Olympic competition since 2012, suggests we should be aggressively investing in French players, at least in round 1 anyway.
I'm on 1%, so I'll be brief.

With all the talk about French prospects, how about Will Riley and recent Canadian players?

SGA and Murray are high-level players. Canadians are on the upswing.


https://basketball.realgm.com/national/countries/23/Canada/nba-players
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1130 » by closg00 » Tue May 20, 2025 9:43 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
nate33 wrote:I'm generally leery of the French. I think they have been consistently disappointing as NBA players. Here is a list of French players drafted in the last 25 years:

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I highlighted the few times that their team was actually happy with the draft pick. Every other pick was either a total bust or a modest disappointment. The jury is still out on Risacher.

Wemby was obviously a big success, but that's just because he is a total outlier physical specimen. Other than that, Bilal is the only guy in the last decade who wasn't either a total bust or a significant disappointment relative to his draft.


I feel like Ian Mahinmi and Evan Fournier are in the own category. The teams that had Ian Mahinmi (Dallas and Indiana) and Fournier (Denver and Orlando) early on were fine with him but have reached huge levels of disappointment with their contracts relative to their production later on.

I am trying to figure out the player which you would be closest to the break even point of neither happy nor sad- it might be Pietrus or Serapahin.

Also, Pecherov isn't French.



There has never been a true engine from france. Someone who scored close to 2,000 points at close to 50 percent efficiency.


I am also very leery of French prospects, I believe it's harder to evaluate their prospects because their Pro league is largely fools gold IMO, Tidjane looks like a massive bust.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1131 » by closg00 » Tue May 20, 2025 9:47 pm

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1132 » by Dat2U » Tue May 20, 2025 9:50 pm

So here's where I am at on our 3 picks.

At 6 ... I get the same feeling about Tre Johnson that I got about Jalen Williams during his draft cycle. He's very underrated. The length, the wingspan, the handle, the spot up shooting, the ability to shoot on the move & off the dribble! Kon is the best spot up shooter in the draft but Tre is the most complete shooter. When you have that wing span and shooting ability, you are built to play in the playoffs. I love his quick release... This is a future 20+ ppg scorer & potential all-star.

Assuming Coop, Dylan & VJ are gone, only Ace & Tre have a chance at landing at 6. The elephant in the room, at least to me is that its a 5 potentially very good prospects and alot of decent ones. We need either Kon Knueppel, Khaman Maluach or Jeremiah Fears to jump up and claim one of those spots or try to trade up.

At 18... coming away with one of these 5 is an incredible win.

Danny Wolf
Noah Penda
Walter Clayton Jr
Derik Queen
Will Riley

At 40 ... I favor...

Hansen Yang
Maxime Raynaud
Bogoljub Markovic
Adou Thiero
Neoklis Avdalas
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1133 » by tontoz » Tue May 20, 2025 10:45 pm

That is why I was so adamant during the season that we needed to finish with the worst record to assure a top 5 pick. There is a clear drop off after the top 5 :banghead:
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1134 » by gambitx777 » Tue May 20, 2025 10:52 pm

In my opinion
Kon k is Gordon Hayward but Gordon Hayward if he was 5-20 percent better at everything and 5-10 present more athletic.

That makes a pretty good player of you ask me.

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1135 » by AFM » Tue May 20, 2025 11:06 pm

By the way, Tre Johnson posted the single best lane agility time at the combine. He's a sneaky good athlete to go along with his shooting.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1136 » by Jay81 » Tue May 20, 2025 11:11 pm

tontoz wrote:That is why I was so adamant during the season that we needed to finish with the worst record to assure a top 5 pick. There is a clear drop off after the top 5 :banghead:

Next year, we don’t have a choice. We have to do that.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1137 » by tontoz » Tue May 20, 2025 11:12 pm

Kon refused to participate in the athletic testing, not because of an injury. He is 2" shorter than Hayward.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1138 » by closg00 » Wed May 21, 2025 1:04 am

tontoz wrote:Kon refused to participate in the athletic testing, not because of an injury. He is 2" shorter than Hayward.


Smart not to, his agent knows he is going to be a Top-10 without the testing.
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Post#1139 » by tontoz » Wed May 21, 2025 1:13 am

closg00 wrote:
tontoz wrote:Kon refused to participate in the athletic testing, not because of an injury. He is 2" shorter than Hayward.


Smart not to, his agent knows he is going to be a Top-10 without the testing.


Let's hope he goes top 5 :pray:
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#1140 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed May 21, 2025 5:21 am

Dat2U wrote:So here's where I am at on our 3 picks.

At 6 ... I get the same feeling about Tre Johnson that I got about Jalen Williams during his draft cycle. He's very underrated. The length, the wingspan, the handle, the spot up shooting, the ability to shoot on the move & off the dribble! Kon is the best spot up shooter in the draft but Tre is the most complete shooter. When you have that wing span and shooting ability, you are built to play in the playoffs. I love his quick release... This is a future 20+ ppg scorer & potential all-star.

Assuming Coop, Dylan & VJ are gone, only Ace & Tre have a chance at landing at 6. The elephant in the room, at least to me is that its a 5 potentially very good prospects and alot of decent ones. We need either Kon Knueppel, Khaman Maluach or Jeremiah Fears to jump up and claim one of those spots or try to trade up.

At 18... coming away with one of these 5 is an incredible win.

Danny Wolf
Noah Penda
Walter Clayton Jr
Derik Queen
Will Riley

At 40 ... I favor...

Hansen Yang
Maxime Raynaud
Bogoljub Markovic
Adou Thiero
Neoklis Avdalas




At 6 Carter Bryant is my guy. I get the argument that he didn't play a lot. IMO that's the only reason he's still available here.

Tre would be my 2nd choice. He's a prototypical SG. I don't expect Poole to be here long-term, and we need a scorer. OKC has SGA, TWolves have Ant... that's the model, and surround him with long athletic defenders like Bilal and Sarr.

VJ would be my 3rd choice. High motor, relentless on D. Fits an up tempo defense creating offense style of play.


At 18 I'd be happy with any of...

Drake Powell
Thomas Sorber
Asa Newell
Rasheer Fleming
Joan Beringer
Cedric Coward
Adou Thiero


At 40 I'm looking to add interior depth...

Yanic Niedenhauser
Hansen Yang
Maxime Raynaud
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Noah Penda
Amari Williams
Mouhamed Faye
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