This CBA sucks

[EricAnderson]

I love it. It's basically a hard cap, which I've always wanted for the NBA. Building a dynasty in the NFL and NHL requires shrewd management. NBA GMs are going to have to get smarter.

To have a dynasty in the NFL with a hardcap you need arguably the best QB of all time (Brady, Mahomes)

[MrBigShot]

I have one major issue with it: too difficult to retain your home developed/drafted core.

Easy fix: make it so that for any player receiving a super max from the team that drafted them or traded for them in the first 2 years of their rookie deal, the actual cap hit for the contract is capped at the non super max.

[RRyder823]

I love it. It's basically a hard cap, which I've always wanted for the NBA. Building a dynasty in the NFL and NHL requires shrewd management. NBA GMs are going to have to get smarter.

To have a dynasty in the NFL with a hardcap you need arguably the best QB of all time (Brady, Mahomes)

Fun fact even the Brady Patriots dynasty went a full decade with zero rings

Side note I personally think Marino is the greatest QB of all time and he has zero

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[durden_tyler]

Parity rules! More restrictions for ability to create/retain super teams please!


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[JujitsuFlip]

This is one of the reasons I have never cared about MLB. Even during the one or two years my home team was actually good (they always suck), I just couldn't give two caps because said team never spends money so they never have a real chance.

You've gotta be a Reds fan, sounds spot on for the Castellini's lol

Close! Four letter word that starts with R.

Only reason I'd guess the Rays is bc it says you're a Magic fan but i swear it sounds spot on Reds ownership.

[Statlanta]

Isn't this what we wanted, the big spending good teams lose talent to the trash teams and the trash teams that tanked didn't get the top picks.


The last 4 champions looking to give talent back(Giannis, Kuminga, Denver supporting cast, Boston supporting cast) based on getting caught between old CBA rorster management.

We already saw some cap casualties like Klay Thompson, Bruce Brown, Khris Middleton. The new CBA just speeds up the process.

[jbk1234]

This CBA increases importance of having good GMs who can find value in margins. Another change I am expecting is that teams will be extremely hesitant giving supermax contract unless someone is close to a top10 player.

The NBA requires every the players get a set percentage of basketball income while dramatically underpaying rookies and superstars alike. Until that changes the median veteran free agent must be overpaid.

I'm not sure how true that is with Supermax contracts. Guys are started to getting traded before thsy come due. It's likely still true that the top 3-5 players in the league are underpaid, but there are plenty of players on max contracts who couldn't get more than what they're making if you removed the limitation.

As far as rookie contracts, a whole lot of development gets paid for during the first couple years of that rookie scale contract. If you were paying for the contributions the median 19-year old rookie could make on the court in year 1, I'm not sure the median contract would be higher. Teams force feed these players unearned minutes so that they might have a better read on their value by year 4.

[durden_tyler]

Wrong thread

[Schmooftie]

Something needed to change but I feel it's gone too far the other way. It was getting ridiculous players asking out and only nominating a specific team they can be traded to.

There is an aspect that it hurts teams with home grown talent, but in the Celtics example as others mentioned they overpaid Jrue and probably Jalen as well. It seems it will likely force teams to think a bit more and not just throw over valued contracts at players they want to keep happy, rather than reading the market and paying what they are worth on the open market. Denver is also going to get hit by something similar by paying Murray and MPJ overs, basically to keep them happy and not insult them as they were core pieces of a championship team.

I think there is some merit if a player is drafted by a team only a certain % of their max counts towards the cap or luxury tax \ aprons etc, but other than that it will probably take a few off seasons front offices to adjust and not just default to handing out a contract for the maximum a player is eligible for.

[Wolfgang630]

As long as players nowadays are rightfully placed alongside legends of the past who didn’t go through this **** and got the super teams they wanted then it’s fine.

[EricAnderson]

I love it. It's basically a hard cap, which I've always wanted for the NBA. Building a dynasty in the NFL and NHL requires shrewd management. NBA GMs are going to have to get smarter.

To have a dynasty in the NFL with a hardcap you need arguably the best QB of all time (Brady, Mahomes)

Fun fact even the Brady Patriots dynasty went a full decade with zero rings

Side note I personally think Marino is the greatest QB of all time and he has zero

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Im a Jet fan and always say begrudgingly that Marino is the most talented QB I’ve ever seen in terms of pure passer

[TeamTragic]

So now the CBA is a problem because Tatum went down and Brown needs surgery?

Maybe the Celtics should pay the tax and keep this core together.

[Zeno]

I have one major issue with it: too difficult to retain your home developed/drafted core.

Easy fix: make it so that for any player receiving a super max from the team that drafted them or traded for them in the first 2 years of their rookie deal, the actual cap hit for the contract is capped at the non super max.

I agree, the problem with this CBA is in combination with the supermax becomes untenable very quickly even if the team makes excellent moves. There definitely should be some allowance for supermax contracts as you say.

[Pointgod]

Yeah I know obviously a celtics fan,

but why is it so hard to cut money even when you're trying to do the "right" thing? They should just make the second apron essentially a hard cap and you can spend up to it how you wish. From what I read, they even made it so you can't trade a guaranteed contract for a non guaranteed contract over the apron, why are they trying to lock you into the apron?

Honestly don't know anyone who enjoy this CBA. It kind of took a lot of fun out of trades and even killed the buy out market which was 99% hype and 1% production (almost always somebody washed up who makes zero impact).

The CBA is beyond idiotic because it was literally structured to stop one owner, Steve Ballmer. And at the end of the day Kawhi’s knees were more relevant to the Clippers than Ballmer’s pockets.

The idea that the NBA is a better product when you’re forced to dismantle a championship team after 2 years vs giving them an extended run is idiotic. But all of the owners of small market teams even handcuffed themselves. Boston is a really good example of how a punitive CBA wasn’t needed to force parity, NBA teams just needed to get better GMs and decision makers in the front office.

Yeah, the owners did this because the the Clippers and Golden State were making them look bad. The new CBA was never about "spending to get titles".

Average league rank in salary for title winning teams over the past 10 years: 5.7

Spending insane amounts of money is no guarantee for success. The highest spending team wins the title maybe once every 5 years. The owners just wanted to give themselves an excuse to say "we can't spend the money the penalties are too severe!"

Well it’s one thing regulate spending, it’s another to completely screw yourself and the ability to keep your team together as well because you’re **** cheap.

[reload141]

So now the CBA is a problem because Tatum went down and Brown needs surgery?

Maybe the Celtics should pay the tax and keep this core together.

Sigh. This isn’t just about the Celtics but the whole league.

I like the idea of the super max being given out but it’s counted as a normal max, that’s a good fix

[Black Mage]

Yeah I know obviously a celtics fan,

but why is it so hard to cut money even when you're trying to do the "right" thing? They should just make the second apron essentially a hard cap and you can spend up to it how you wish. From what I read, they even made it so you can't trade a guaranteed contract for a non guaranteed contract over the apron, why are they trying to lock you into the apron?

Honestly don't know anyone who enjoy this CBA. It kind of took a lot of fun out of trades and even killed the buy out market which was 99% hype and 1% production (almost always somebody washed up who makes zero impact).

NBA punishing teams that want to field the best team while providing benefits for teams fielding an non-competitive team is going to slowly kill the league.

NBA constantly rigging trades to bailout the Lakers no matter how poorly they are managed is slowly going to kill the league. I fixed it for you.

[garrick]

The Celtics completely mismanaged their payroll. That's not the NBA's fault.

Why did they sign a 34 year old J-Rue Holiday to a ridiculous contract? Who else was going to offer him anything remotely close? They could have signed a vet to fill that role and provide slightly less production at a literal fraction of the cost.

Similarly for other players/contracts, I have no idea why they didn't use declining contracts rather than escalations to more effectively manage their payroll. That's 100% on the GM.

Lastly, one-dimensional players like Sam Hauser should not be getting $10MM/year on a team strapped for cash. You can get one-dimensional players at vet minimum contract or even rookie contracts.

I don't have any sympathy for the situation because they knew the impact of the new CBA well in advance of some of their financial decisions.

Celtics overpaid but the past CBA gave teams incentives to keep their players by allowing them bird rights or supermax contracts to keep home grown talent.

Since the Celtics just won the championship I think ownership felt like it was worth it to keep their players because it was a formula that worked, this season injuries derailed that but I do feel that them overspending was not really a negative.

The Suns on the other hand deserve to be where they are now due to the stupid decisions of our owner to go out and trade for a terrible super max contract in Beal and a max contract for an aging KD while trading away all the young players that we drafted in pursuit of a super team. The Suns were the kind of team the new CBA was intending to punish and I can't say we don't deserve it.

[xfactor99]

I have one major issue with it: too difficult to retain your home developed/drafted core.

Easy fix: make it so that for any player receiving a super max from the team that drafted them or traded for them in the first 2 years of their rookie deal, the actual cap hit for the contract is capped at the non super max.

I suspect the reason this didn't happen is because owners WANT an excuse not to have to pay players. If you had this system in place, they would actually have incentives + public pressure to spend more than they should to retain guys. With the current system instead they can just trade guys and tell fans 'welp, can't blame us, 2nd apron restrictions!'

[Froob]

I have one major issue with it: too difficult to retain your home developed/drafted core.

Easy fix: make it so that for any player receiving a super max from the team that drafted them or traded for them in the first 2 years of their rookie deal, the actual cap hit for the contract is capped at the non super max.

We've been saying this since super max came out. Hard to believe it still hasn't happened.

[RoxSteady]

I said to myself before I opened this, "I bet a Boston fan created this thread." Lo and behold!

I don't mean to sound condescending. I immediately felt for Boston fans when Tatum went down.