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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I think that 99% of Dame trades are pointless but I'm wondering how close something like this would be value-wise:

MIL Out: Dame, Kuzma, 2031 1st
MIL In: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, #36

BOS Out: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, Baylor Scheierman
BOS In: Kuzma, Keon Johnson

BKN In: Dame, 2031 MIL 1st, Sheierman
BKN Out: #36, Keon Johnson

im so in on this. suggested something similar yesterday.

if we keep giannis we have to move out dame and kuzma for positive guys regardless of what they make or blah blah blah. if the picks get it done then out our guys go. jrue is on the slide but hes no kuzma

keeping giannis and riding it out with kuzma and injured dame if im giannis im like wtf ever. that would be openly admitting defeat and asking for welfare.

all posts this summer advocating giannis staying need to include at least dame and probably kuzma deals

[chonestown]

I think that 99% of Dame trades are pointless but I'm wondering how close something like this would be value-wise:

MIL Out: Dame, Kuzma, 2031 1st
MIL In: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, #36

BOS Out: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, Baylor Scheierman
BOS In: Kuzma, Keon Johnson

BKN In: Dame, 2031 MIL 1st, Sheierman
BKN Out: #36, Keon Johnson

I'm on this. Part of trading Jrue was bringing in a more adept ballhandler. Porter and Rollins are now here to help in that regard.

Getting rid of Kuz outweighs the iffy health of 'tops.

BK gets either star power or a big expiring.

I could see Boston wanting more, but they need to shed salary.

This is a really well thought-out proposal.imo

[emunney]

I think that 99% of Dame trades are pointless but I'm wondering how close something like this would be value-wise:

MIL Out: Dame, Kuzma, 2031 1st
MIL In: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, #36

BOS Out: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, Baylor Scheierman
BOS In: Kuzma, Keon Johnson

BKN In: Dame, 2031 MIL 1st, Sheierman
BKN Out: #36, Keon Johnson

Can Brooklyn get 36 and we get Scheierman?

[tedbrogen]

I think that 99% of Dame trades are pointless but I'm wondering how close something like this would be value-wise:

MIL Out: Dame, Kuzma, 2031 1st
MIL In: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, #36

BOS Out: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, Baylor Scheierman
BOS In: Kuzma, Keon Johnson

BKN In: Dame, 2031 MIL 1st, Sheierman
BKN Out: #36, Keon Johnson

im so in on this. suggested something similar yesterday.

if we keep giannis we have to move out dame and kuzma for positive guys regardless of what they make or blah blah blah. if the picks get it done then out our guys go. jrue is on the slide but hes no kuzma

keeping giannis and riding it out with kuzma and injured dame if im giannis im like wtf ever. that would be openly admitting defeat and asking for welfare.

all posts this summer advocating giannis staying need to include at least dame and probably kuzma deals

If Giannis says he’ll extend and this deal was on the table, I’d do it. Jrue gives you a lot more than Kuz and can at least hit wide open corner threes. He’d also be a good mentor for KPJ and Rollins. Zinger, if somehow healthy, is an amazing fit next to Giannis. You can absolutely let Brook walk if you get KP and then Bobby is available to soak up minutes when Giannis or KP are out. The two extra picks in this draft lets you churn the bottom of the roster.

In this scenario you’d keep KPJ and GTJ and Sims around presumably as well.

It solves a lot of issues since the Bucks were actually good when they had Brook, Prince, and Kuz sitting on the bench at the end of last season.

[soxperry]

MIL Out: Kuzma, Pat
MIL In: MPJ, Saric (absorbed into the Middleton TPE)

DEN Out: MPJ, Dario Saric, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 Top-3 protected 1st
DEN In: Cam Johnson

BKN Out: Cam Johnson
BKN In: Kuzma, Pat, 2026 DEN swap, 2031 DEN 1st.

38.3 + 5.4 = 43.7 (mpj and saric)

22.4 + 9.4 = 31.8 (kuzma and pat)

While we could do this trade, we essentially chew up most of the MLE space for a player who cant stay healthy on a massive cap figure.

whats the incentive for us? Id rather focus on getting talent with the mle or retaining kpj/trent

I think people right now are massively overrating fringe assets (cap exceptions, mid-level prospects) and massively underrating good and/or talented players that are simply overpaid. Like, if you tell me that we're gonna get a guy on the MLE that's gonna be as or more impactful than a dude like MPJ was the past couple seasons, I'm gonna disagree pretty vehemently.

Take a gander at the list of guys who signed full and tax-payer MLE type deals last offseason (your Caleb Martin's, Kyle Anderson's, and Gary Harris') and contrast that with the list of guys that signed for the minimum (Trent, Prince, Tyus Jones, KPJ, Kornet). I just don't see much of a difference in the quality of player you're getting. The NBA's cap structure has all but squeezed out the middle class, and I think it's become a waste of resources to not just wait the market out for these types of dudes.

Thats a good point but i do value buying time to see if Kpj hits his ceiling more than overpaying mpj to hopefully regain form. Especially since one is a hell of a lot cheaper and has zero injury concerns. Mpj would be a lot more interesting if Dame weren't hurt. But i just think now we need to take this opportunity to really see what we have with kpj and you risk losing him without the mle

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucks finally get out from under the deep drop defense, and now we're going to bring in Porzingis? Gross.

Id rather cut and stretch Dame then get stuck with Jrue and Zinger.

We can find a better Dame deal.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think that 99% of Dame trades are pointless but I'm wondering how close something like this would be value-wise:

MIL Out: Dame, Kuzma, 2031 1st
MIL In: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, #36

BOS Out: Jrue, Porzingis, #28, Baylor Scheierman
BOS In: Kuzma, Keon Johnson

BKN In: Dame, 2031 MIL 1st, Sheierman
BKN Out: #36, Keon Johnson

If we can clear Dames salary like that, we can spend that money way better than these two. Why are we doing Boston a favor?

[Ron Swanson]

We're not "spending" any money this offseason on anyone no matter what you do because what would be the point just to dump the 2031 1st for cap space in order to spend on mid-level free agents? This actually frees up max cap space next offseason because you only have Giannis and Jrue on the books for 2026-27. That's a roster that's just competitive enough to keep Giannis content and you at least get some draft assets in return.

[ShootingtheJ]

We're not "spending" any money this offseason on anyone no matter what you do because what would be the point just to dump the 2031 1st for cap space in order to spend on mid-level free agents? This actually frees up max cap space next offseason because you only have Giannis and Jrue on the books for 2026-27. That's a roster that's just competitive enough to keep Giannis content and you at least get some draft assets in return.

I don't think you're realizing how many worthwhile players will be given away this offseason because of apron restraints.

[Ron Swanson]

We're not "spending" any money this offseason on anyone no matter what you do because what would be the point just to dump the 2031 1st for cap space in order to spend on mid-level free agents? This actually frees up max cap space next offseason because you only have Giannis and Jrue on the books for 2026-27. That's a roster that's just competitive enough to keep Giannis content and you at least get some draft assets in return.

I don't think you're realizing how many worthwhile players will be given away this offseason because of apron restraints.

Yeah, it's almost like Boston is a team that will probably be giving away guys like Jrue and Porzingis....

[ShootingtheJ]

We're not "spending" any money this offseason on anyone no matter what you do because what would be the point just to dump the 2031 1st for cap space in order to spend on mid-level free agents? This actually frees up max cap space next offseason because you only have Giannis and Jrue on the books for 2026-27. That's a roster that's just competitive enough to keep Giannis content and you at least get some draft assets in return.

I don't think you're realizing how many worthwhile players will be given away this offseason because of apron restraints.

Yeah, it's almost like Boston is a team that will probably be giving away guys like Jrue and Porzingis....

They're not the only players in the league. They're 2 of the worst contracts though. The playoffs are no longer an old man's game.

[Ron Swanson]

We'd still have the full MLE available because this is also a cost-saving move for us. You're not even arguing a different approach here. You're just arguing to sign worse players with the meager cap space we open up by using the 2031 1st only to dump Dame's contract while getting nothing useful back? Cool, no thanks.

[ShootingtheJ]

We'd still have the full MLE available because this is also a cost-saving move for us. You're not even arguing a different approach here. You're just arguing to sign worse players with the meager cap space we open up by using the 2031 1st only to dump Dame's contract while getting nothing useful back? Cool, no thanks.

I'm not arguing to sign anyone. I'm taking about trades absorbing players.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The Bucks finally get out from under the deep drop defense, and now we're going to bring in Porzingis? Gross.

Id rather cut and stretch Dame then get stuck with Jrue and Zinger.

We can find a better Dame deal.

have to admit...porzingas for some reason i thought was mobile enough to play the switch and has done it. if hes drop only then im out.

amazing fits next to giannis is probably more like a horford type of center is what your saying?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

jrue is overpaid but not a bad contract. hes in that territory of like harden or kyrie. is it stats or winning?

[Ron Swanson]

Sure, but these are the kinds of deals we're looking at. Taking on overpaid, but still good starters/contributors while maintaining cap flexibility and/or getting some minor assets attached. Flipping Kuzma and Pat for MPJ was another example. I'd still be open to LaVine ideas so long as we're not dumping assets. But no one's giving us good, young players just because of 2nd apron restrictions.

[Ron Swanson]

jrue is overpaid but not a bad contract. hes in that territory of like harden or kyrie. is it stats or winning?

Nah, he's a bad contract.

[JonHeist]

jrue is overpaid but not a bad contract. hes in that territory of like harden or kyrie. is it stats or winning?

no it's a really bad contract

worse than one-legged dame

[MickeyDavis]

$100 million for 35-36-37 year old Jrue is awful. There's no question about that.

[Bernman]

Jrue's 38 by the end of the last season.

You know it's bad, it's bad, you know it. - Michael Jackson (sorta)