New Orleans & Philly Swap w/ Zion + Embiid

[ProcessDoctor]

NOP out: #7 (Maluach), Zion, Olynyk
NOP in: #3 (Bailey), Embiid, Drummond

McCollum/Alvarado/(Murray)
Murphy/Hawkins
Bailey/Boston
Jones/(TMLE)
Embiid/Missi

Why? NOP falls out of the top-3, but moves up to get their guy in Ace Bailey and move on from Zion in the process.


PHI out: #3 (Bailey), Embiid, Drummond
PHI in: #7 (Maluach), Zion, Olynyk

Maxey/McCain
Grimes/Edwards
George/Oubre
Zion/(TMLE)
Maluach/Olynyk

Why? Pair Maxey with a younger star, turn a new page for the cost of trading back.

[the_process]

Yep, I would do this. Not sure I'm drafting Maluach at 7, but that's a different story.

[Texas Chuck]

Seems like we just had this thread? But I don't think this gets past medicals.

[Devilanche]

Zion will probably play more game than Embiid going forward . Have no clue which GM have that right mix of desperation and willingness to trade for Embiid until he’s able to play around 60ish game a season.

[ProcessDoctor]

Zion will probably play more game than Embiid going forward . Have no clue which GM have that right mix of desperation and willingness to trade for Embiid until he’s able to play around 60ish game a season.

Probably a new front office that wants to make a splash. A trade up and getting a big name for Zion fits the bill.

[Devilanche]

Zion will probably play more game than Embiid going forward . Have no clue which GM have that right mix of desperation and willingness to trade for Embiid until he’s able to play around 60ish game a season.

Probably a new front office that wants to make a splash. A trade up and getting a big name for Zion fits the bill.

I’m thinking a GM that’s on the chopping board . Sort of a Hail Mary kind of move. If only he’s healthy kind of prayer.

[ProcessDoctor]

Zion will probably play more game than Embiid going forward . Have no clue which GM have that right mix of desperation and willingness to trade for Embiid until he’s able to play around 60ish game a season.

Probably a new front office that wants to make a splash. A trade up and getting a big name for Zion fits the bill.

I’m thinking a GM that’s on the chopping board . Sort of a Hail Mary kind of move. If only he’s healthy kind of prayer.

Toronto, New Orleans, Chicago, and maybe Atlanta should all be considered imo. Teams wanting a star name, even if they’re not 100% sold on the medical/on court product, is a thing.

Friendly reminder that 33-year-old James Harden demanding a trade to only 1 team returned expiring contracts, an unprotected 1st, and an unprotected 1st swap.

[taikibansei]

Probably a new front office that wants to make a splash. A trade up and getting a big name for Zion fits the bill.

I’m thinking a GM that’s on the chopping board . Sort of a Hail Mary kind of move. If only he’s healthy kind of prayer.

Toronto, New Orleans, Chicago, and maybe Atlanta should all be considered imo. Teams wanting a star name, even if they’re not 100% sold on the medical/on court product, is a thing.

Friendly reminder that 33-year-old James Harden demanding a trade to only 1 team returned expiring contracts, an unprotected 1st, and an unprotected 1st swap.

Not sure I understand the meaning of the sentence in bold. A friendly reminder: 33-year-old (heck, even 35-year-old) Harden can actually make it onto the court and play 70+ games each season. Embiid struggles to reach 40 games, and it seems to be getting worse.

Another friendly reminder: Embiid's salary for the 2028-29 season will be $67,263,472.

[ProcessDoctor]

I’m thinking a GM that’s on the chopping board . Sort of a Hail Mary kind of move. If only he’s healthy kind of prayer.

Toronto, New Orleans, Chicago, and maybe Atlanta should all be considered imo. Teams wanting a star name, even if they’re not 100% sold on the medical/on court product, is a thing.

Friendly reminder that 33-year-old James Harden demanding a trade to only 1 team returned expiring contracts, an unprotected 1st, and an unprotected 1st swap.

Not sure I understand the meaning of the sentence in bold. A friendly reminder: 33-year-old (heck, even 35-year-old) Harden can actually make it onto the court and play 70+ games each season. Embiid struggles to reach 40 games, and it seems to be getting worse.

Another friendly reminder: Embiid's salary for the 2028-29 season will be $67,263,472.

That's all fine and dandy. The point is that history has shown us time and time again that star names return positive value (Wall, Westbrook, bad CP3, Simmons, Harden), despite what Reddit and RealGM think.

[Devilanche]

Toronto, New Orleans, Chicago, and maybe Atlanta should all be considered imo. Teams wanting a star name, even if they’re not 100% sold on the medical/on court product, is a thing.

Friendly reminder that 33-year-old James Harden demanding a trade to only 1 team returned expiring contracts, an unprotected 1st, and an unprotected 1st swap.

Not sure I understand the meaning of the sentence in bold. A friendly reminder: 33-year-old (heck, even 35-year-old) Harden can actually make it onto the court and play 70+ games each season. Embiid struggles to reach 40 games, and it seems to be getting worse.

Another friendly reminder: Embiid's salary for the 2028-29 season will be $67,263,472.

That's all fine and dandy. The point is that history has shown us time and time again that star names return positive value (Wall, Westbrook, bad CP3, Simmons, Harden), despite what Reddit and RealGM think.

Not sure how this cba impact stuff with respect to risky moves and availability is very important considerations.

Harden is pretty much an iron man.

[taikibansei]

Toronto, New Orleans, Chicago, and maybe Atlanta should all be considered imo. Teams wanting a star name, even if they’re not 100% sold on the medical/on court product, is a thing.

Friendly reminder that 33-year-old James Harden demanding a trade to only 1 team returned expiring contracts, an unprotected 1st, and an unprotected 1st swap.

Not sure I understand the meaning of the sentence in bold. A friendly reminder: 33-year-old (heck, even 35-year-old) Harden can actually make it onto the court and play 70+ games each season. Embiid struggles to reach 40 games, and it seems to be getting worse.

Another friendly reminder: Embiid's salary for the 2028-29 season will be $67,263,472.

That's all fine and dandy. The point is that history has shown us time and time again that star names return positive value (Wall, Westbrook, bad CP3, Simmons, Harden), despite what Reddit and RealGM think.

Wall and Westbrook were literally traded for each other, with none of the included picks transferring due to the attached protections. Westbrook and "bad CP3" were also--wait for it--traded for each other. I.e., outside of Simmons--in a trade for Harden that was widely mocked at the time--all these extremely flawed "star names" returned only equally flawed "star names."

This said, arguing that the trade of a very injury prone (and likely useless) Zion for a very injury prone (and likely useless) Embiid might happen makes perfect sense to me. It's just the Harden analogy that I don't get. Harden is still a great player who plays the majority of games each season. On the other hand, Embiid is horrible value and nobody "should" trade for him...but a desperate GM trying to get rid of the nearly as unreliable Zion just might take a chance.

[Texas Chuck]

That's all fine and dandy. The point is that history has shown us time and time again that star names return positive value (Wall, Westbrook, bad CP3, Simmons, Harden), despite what Reddit and RealGM think.

CP3 was never bad. And certainly not the times he was traded. Cmon now.

Embiid is a huge risk with a huge contract. I think you overestimate how many teams are willing to take that on. You need a team with enough expendable salary that says if we can get enough games in the RS to make the playoffs, we have a lineup that with a healthy Embiid can win multiple series. Oh and have an enormous risk tolerance.

That team simply might not exist. None of the 4 teams you specifically named fit that at all.

[ProcessDoctor]

That's all fine and dandy. The point is that history has shown us time and time again that star names return positive value (Wall, Westbrook, bad CP3, Simmons, Harden), despite what Reddit and RealGM think.

CP3 was never bad. And certainly not the times he was traded. Cmon now.

Embiid is a huge risk with a huge contract. I think you overestimate how many teams are willing to take that on. You need a team with enough expendable salary that says if we can get enough games in the RS to make the playoffs, we have a lineup that with a healthy Embiid can win multiple series. Oh and have an enormous risk tolerance.

That team simply might not exist. None of the 4 teams you specifically named fit that at all.

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league. Same thing with Washington Westbrook. This is a star driven league, because even big names that are no longer good or make sense put fans in seats.

Several quotable responses in here when he eventually gets traded for positive value. All it takes is 1 team.

[Texas Chuck]

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league.

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

[ProcessDoctor]

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league.

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

Even if you were right and calling it, it doesn't discount it as a popular opinion at the time, whether that's here or in the NBA. Executives can have differing opinions, the same way you and I, and another poster can have different views.

I'm really just surprised that people who have watched the league for so long wouldn't bank on a team trading valuable assets for Joel Embiid. Death, taxes, and star name players getting traded for positive value.

[Texas Chuck]

Hey they might. But his injury concerns are massive. As is the contract. This idea that teams would ignore than an offer an MVP-type package still belies belief.

[ConSarnit]

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league.

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

Even if you were right and calling it, it doesn't discount it as a popular opinion at the time, whether that's here or in the NBA. Executives can have differing opinions, the same way you and I, and another poster can have different views.

I'm really just surprised that people who have watched the league for so long wouldn't bank on a team trading valuable assets for Joel Embiid. Death, taxes, and star name players getting traded for positive value.

When has an injured star (on a massive deal) like Embiid ever returned positive value?

Who in their right mind would take a risk on Embiid right now without seeing him actually be healthy first? And if he’s healthy why is PHI trading him?

Current Embiid looks on the path of Brandon Roy. The type of knee issues that don’t get better, only worse. You’d have to be crazy to take a chance on him right now given he has 4 max years left on his deal.

Stars get traded all the time for positive value. Bone on bone knee guys don’t.

[ProcessDoctor]

Hey they might. But his injury concerns are massive. As is the contract. This idea that teams would ignore than an offer an MVP-type package still belies belief.

Agree with most of this statement, but never said MVP type package.

[taikibansei]

That's all fine and dandy. The point is that history has shown us time and time again that star names return positive value (Wall, Westbrook, bad CP3, Simmons, Harden), despite what Reddit and RealGM think.

CP3 was never bad. And certainly not the times he was traded. Cmon now.

Embiid is a huge risk with a huge contract. I think you overestimate how many teams are willing to take that on. You need a team with enough expendable salary that says if we can get enough games in the RS to make the playoffs, we have a lineup that with a healthy Embiid can win multiple series. Oh and have an enormous risk tolerance.

That team simply might not exist. None of the 4 teams you specifically named fit that at all.

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league. Same thing with Washington Westbrook. This is a star driven league, because even big names that are no longer good or make sense put fans in seats.

Several quotable responses in here when he eventually gets traded for positive value. All it takes is 1 team.

Considering that your examples of "receiving positive value" were actually uniformly negative--oddly by your own admission (as you confusingly included each person you mentioned in your trade examples as examples of both negative and positive value)--I like those odds.

Unless, of course, your definition of "positive value" truly includes receiving Wall, bad Westbrook, aging CP3, Simmons, and the oft-injured Zion--in which case, arguments could be made that just about anything back for Embiid equates to "positive value."

If that's indeed your definition, then yes, you'll likely "win" the Internet. Kudos in advance for this thrilling victory.

[ProcessDoctor]

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

Even if you were right and calling it, it doesn't discount it as a popular opinion at the time, whether that's here or in the NBA. Executives can have differing opinions, the same way you and I, and another poster can have different views.

I'm really just surprised that people who have watched the league for so long wouldn't bank on a team trading valuable assets for Joel Embiid. Death, taxes, and star name players getting traded for positive value.

When has an injured star (on a massive deal) like Embiid ever returned positive value?

Who in their right mind would take a risk on Embiid right now without seeing him actually be healthy first? And if he’s healthy why is PHI trading him?

Current Embiid looks on the path of Brandon Roy. The type of knee issues that don’t get better, only worse. You’d have to be crazy to take a chance on him right now given he has 4 max years left on his deal.

Stars get traded all the time for positive value. Bone on bone knee guys don’t.

We'll have to wait and see. Nothing really surprises me in this league anymore.