Cleveland & Orlando & Sacramento

[ReggiesKnicks]

Cleveland Out: Max Struss
Cleveland In: Goga Bitadze, #25

Orlando Out: Anthony Black, Goga Bitadze, #25
Orlando In: Malik Monk

Sacramento Out: Malik Monk
Sacramento In: Anthony Black, Max Struss

Cleveland gets a backup Center and relies on Hunter/Merrill/Okoro to fill the wing position void.

Orlando upgrades their back-court with a certified scorer.

Sacramento adds a movement shooter next to Sabonis to replicate Huerters first year in Sac Town and a Point Guard prospect

[Texas Chuck]

I like the newness of this.

Don't like it for Cleveland. I think they can find a playable backup center without having to give up Struss and the pick wouldn't change my mind.
Love it for Orlando. Want them to aim higher first, but that guy might not be available. Monk fits a need and the budget.
I like for the Kings. Maybe they backfill a veteran PG to pair with Black, but I like taking the flier on him and Struss helps.

Cleveland is my hang up. Maybe if Goga/25 can get them a more versatile big?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Malik Monk is barely a positive asset/contract.

Swap Black with Cole Anthony (expiring) and this seems a lot closer. Maybe swapping 25 for 16 if that’s what it takes.

[jbk1234]

I'm not really interested in helping fix the Magic and I'm certainly not trading a player who gave us good minutes in the playoffs for one who couldn't get on the floor despite Mo Wagner being unavailable.

[longfellow44]

Malik Monk is barely a positive asset/contract.

Swap Black with Cole Anthony (expiring) and this seems a lot closer. Maybe swapping 25 for 16 if that’s what it takes.

Are you kidding me. He is on a fantastic contract. Look at his contract and then look at contracts for similar production around the league and you will see he is on a bargain deal.

This is a bad deal for the kings none of the players coming to the kings even have to potential to be as good as monk is right now and if it's the production that they bring that we should be happy with I'm sure we can find someone to do what they do on the vet minimum.

There is a reason that half of the trades involving orlando on this board are trades trying to get Monk to the magic.

[Texas Chuck]

Malik Monk is barely a positive asset/contract.

Swap Black with Cole Anthony (expiring) and this seems a lot closer. Maybe swapping 25 for 16 if that’s what it takes.

Are you kidding me. He is on a fantastic contract. Look at his contract and then look at contracts for similar production around the league and you will see he is on a bargain deal.

This is a bad deal for the kings none of the players coming to the kings even have to potential to be as good as monk is right now and if it's the production that they bring that we should be happy with I'm sure we can find someone to do what they do on the vet minimum.

There is a reason that half of the trades involving orlando on this board are trades trying to get Monk to the magic.

So his Monk comment was off, but to chide him while claiming Strus, a strong contributor for a 60+ win team could easily be replaced by a guy on the minimum is no better.

Disappointing that both of you chose to be so reductive in order to justify you don't like the trade. You can find ways to not like it without that.

[ReggiesKnicks]

While it's impossible on this forum to get a multi-team deal all fans agree on, it's a feather in the cap when all 3 disagree.

S-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases like it
A-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases dislike it
B-Tier Trade: 2/3 of fan bases like it
C-Tier Trade: 1/3 of fan bases like it
D-Tier Trade: Cool Title, nobody likes it
F-Tier Trade: Illegal due to CBA

[Texas Chuck]

While it's impossible on this forum to get a multi-team deal all fans agree on, it's a feather in the cap when all 3 disagree.

S-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases like it
A-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases dislike it
B-Tier Trade: 2/3 of fan bases like it
C-Tier Trade: 1/3 of fan bases like it
D-Tier Trade: Cool Title, nobody likes it
F-Tier Trade: Illegal due to CBA

I'd give this one more time. Only one poster from each fanbase has disliked it so far and honestly I find it pretty hard to dislike it for Orlando. I could find reasons for the Kings, but not the Magic.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Malik Monk is barely a positive asset/contract.

Swap Black with Cole Anthony (expiring) and this seems a lot closer. Maybe swapping 25 for 16 if that’s what it takes.

Are you kidding me. He is on a fantastic contract. Look at his contract and then look at contracts for similar production around the league and you will see he is on a bargain deal.

This is a bad deal for the kings none of the players coming to the kings even have to potential to be as good as monk is right now and if it's the production that they bring that we should be happy with I'm sure we can find someone to do what they do on the vet minimum.

There is a reason that half of the trades involving orlando on this board are trades trying to get Monk to the magic.

Yeah you lose all credibility surrounding your knowledge and ability to assess NBA skill-set and ability when you say Struss is not only significantly worse than Monk (I think he is a better defender and better movement shooter, possibly a better 4th/5th option type on offense who connects things) but then say he could be replicated by a minimum level player?

[Magic_Johnny12]

Malik Monk is barely a positive asset/contract.

Swap Black with Cole Anthony (expiring) and this seems a lot closer. Maybe swapping 25 for 16 if that’s what it takes.

There is a reason that half of the trades involving orlando on this board are trades trying to get Monk to the magic.

Well duh, they’re starting Cory Joseph for crying out loud

Coby White/Collin Sexton/Anfernee Simons are all similar players, all putrid defenders and all can theoretically score. All are available and all should cost a lot less than this.

However and ultimately, Orlando needs shooting and Monk shooting 32% from 3 isn’t exactly what they need in a PG.

Is he an upgrade over what they have currently? Absolutely, no question. Is he worth Black, Goga and a FRP? Absolutely not (imho).

[longfellow44]

Malik Monk is barely a positive asset/contract.

Swap Black with Cole Anthony (expiring) and this seems a lot closer. Maybe swapping 25 for 16 if that’s what it takes.

Are you kidding me. He is on a fantastic contract. Look at his contract and then look at contracts for similar production around the league and you will see he is on a bargain deal.

This is a bad deal for the kings none of the players coming to the kings even have to potential to be as good as monk is right now and if it's the production that they bring that we should be happy with I'm sure we can find someone to do what they do on the vet minimum.

There is a reason that half of the trades involving orlando on this board are trades trying to get Monk to the magic.

So his Monk comment was off, but to chide him while claiming Strus, a strong contributor for a 60+ win team could easily be replaced by a guy on the minimum is no better.

Disappointing that both of you chose to be so reductive in order to justify you don't like the trade. You can find ways to not like it without that.

Maybe it was too harsh on Strus, but the constant trashing of kings players in these deals does get frustrating.

[ReggiesKnicks]

While it's impossible on this forum to get a multi-team deal all fans agree on, it's a feather in the cap when all 3 disagree.

S-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases like it
A-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases dislike it
B-Tier Trade: 2/3 of fan bases like it
C-Tier Trade: 1/3 of fan bases like it
D-Tier Trade: Cool Title, nobody likes it
F-Tier Trade: Illegal due to CBA

I'd give this one more time. Only one poster from each fanbase has disliked it so far and honestly I find it pretty hard to dislike it for Orlando. I could find reasons for the Kings, but not the Magic.

Mostly tongue-in-cheek comment about how this board says things.

My previous dialogue with Cleveland fans: We trust Merrill and possibly Okoro in the post-season and we desperately need a back-up Center.

My previous dialogue with Orlando fans: Let Paolo/Wagner/Suggs grow together and get someone who won't break the bank in terms of salary or assets.

My previous dialogue with Sacramento Kings fans: Find a point guard and breakup Monk/LaVine.

Seems like I hit those notes, but not at the exact time which these fan bases want.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Are you kidding me. He is on a fantastic contract. Look at his contract and then look at contracts for similar production around the league and you will see he is on a bargain deal.

This is a bad deal for the kings none of the players coming to the kings even have to potential to be as good as monk is right now and if it's the production that they bring that we should be happy with I'm sure we can find someone to do what they do on the vet minimum.

There is a reason that half of the trades involving orlando on this board are trades trying to get Monk to the magic.

So his Monk comment was off, but to chide him while claiming Strus, a strong contributor for a 60+ win team could easily be replaced by a guy on the minimum is no better.

Disappointing that both of you chose to be so reductive in order to justify you don't like the trade. You can find ways to not like it without that.

Maybe it was too harsh on Strus, but the constant trashing of kings players in these deals does get frustrating.

Anthony Black is a good Point Guard prospect who is still on a rookie contract.

Struss is what Kings fans wanted Huerter to be and can actually defend.

[longfellow44]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

[ReggiesKnicks]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

Because they need to give up assets to acquire a player as good as, as you say he is, Malik Monk.

You said teams should pay for Malik Monk. I have Orlando trading a decent PG prospect and a late 1st for him. That's a decent haul for a 5th starter

It also balances the Kings and gives them depth.

[jbk1234]

While it's impossible on this forum to get a multi-team deal all fans agree on, it's a feather in the cap when all 3 disagree.

S-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases like it
A-Tier Trade: All 3 fan bases dislike it
B-Tier Trade: 2/3 of fan bases like it
C-Tier Trade: 1/3 of fan bases like it
D-Tier Trade: Cool Title, nobody likes it
F-Tier Trade: Illegal due to CBA

I'd give this one more time. Only one poster from each fanbase has disliked it so far and honestly I find it pretty hard to dislike it for Orlando. I could find reasons for the Kings, but not the Magic.

Mostly tongue-in-cheek comment about how this board says things.

My previous dialogue with Cleveland fans: We trust Merrill and possibly Okoro in the post-season and we desperately need a back-up Center.

My previous dialogue with Orlando fans: Let Paolo/Wagner/Suggs grow together and get someone who won't break the bank in terms of salary or assets.

My previous dialogue with Sacramento Kings fans: Find a point guard and breakup Monk/LaVine.

Seems like I hit those notes, but not at the exact time which these fan bases want.

Whether the Cavs can even bring back Ty and Merrill is an open question. So before they start shipping guys out, it needs to be answered. I don't know which Cavs fans trust Merrill or Okoro as anything other than bench players, but assuming they actually wrote that, I'd question that conclusion.

Yes, the Cavs have needed a credible backup center who can give us 5-10 minutes a half for three postseasons in a row. No, the guy who couldn't get on the court for the Magic despite their backup center being unavailable is not that.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

Black is not an untouchable prospect, but he’s a rare commodity in the league if he continues to progress in his development. A big guard that has shown he could be an elite defender, handle the ball, good athleticism and has shown promise stretching the floor.

I wouldn’t personally call him a traditional PG and the verdict is still out if that’s his best longterm position. More of a utility knife guard/forward that does a lot of things that do not show up in the box score (Josh Hart/Caruso kind of player imo).

[ReggiesKnicks]

I'd give this one more time. Only one poster from each fanbase has disliked it so far and honestly I find it pretty hard to dislike it for Orlando. I could find reasons for the Kings, but not the Magic.

Mostly tongue-in-cheek comment about how this board says things.

My previous dialogue with Cleveland fans: We trust Merrill and possibly Okoro in the post-season and we desperately need a back-up Center.

My previous dialogue with Orlando fans: Let Paolo/Wagner/Suggs grow together and get someone who won't break the bank in terms of salary or assets.

My previous dialogue with Sacramento Kings fans: Find a point guard and breakup Monk/LaVine.

Seems like I hit those notes, but not at the exact time which these fan bases want.

Whether the Cavs can even bring back Ty and Merrill is an open question. So before they start shipping guys out, it needs to be answered. I don't know which Cavs fans trust Merrill or Okoro as anything other than bench players, but assuming they actually wrote that, I'd question that conclusion.

They did. They also still have Hunter who is a starting caliber wing. This deal specifics Merrill and Okoro are retained

Yes, the Cavs have needed a credible backup center who can give us 5-10 minutes a half for three postseasons in a row. No, the guy who couldn't get on the court for the Magic despite their backup center being unavailable is not that.

What the Magic did with Goga doesn't mean another team can't utilize or find use of him.

Orlando has no offense and terrible spacing. They couldn't run a good defensive center out on the court as they didn't have the required spacing or playmaking next to Goga and already had excellent defensive pieces around him.

Cleveland is a 60+ win team with Garland and Mitchell who are simply better offensive pieces than anyone on the Magic and can sacrifice some offense for Goga's defense.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

Because they need to give up assets to acquire a player as good as, as you say he is, Malik Monk.

You said teams should pay for Malik Monk. I have Orlando trading a decent PG prospect and a late 1st for him. That's a decent haul for a 5th starter

It also balances the Kings and gives them depth.

With the apron and Orlando’s future finances, trading Black has to make a lot of sense (bigger fish).

Orlando could get a similar player that fits the role Monk will be asked to play for assets outside of Black imo.

Again, this is not saying he’s untouchable but don’t think Monk nor his archetype is the target for a Black centered trade.

[jbk1234]

Mostly tongue-in-cheek comment about how this board says things.

My previous dialogue with Cleveland fans: We trust Merrill and possibly Okoro in the post-season and we desperately need a back-up Center.

My previous dialogue with Orlando fans: Let Paolo/Wagner/Suggs grow together and get someone who won't break the bank in terms of salary or assets.

My previous dialogue with Sacramento Kings fans: Find a point guard and breakup Monk/LaVine.

Seems like I hit those notes, but not at the exact time which these fan bases want.

Whether the Cavs can even bring back Ty and Merrill is an open question. So before they start shipping guys out, it needs to be answered. I don't know which Cavs fans trust Merrill or Okoro as anything other than bench players, but assuming they actually wrote that, I'd question that conclusion.

They did. They also still have Hunter who is a starting caliber wing. This deal specifics Merrill and Okoro are retained

Yes, the Cavs have needed a credible backup center who can give us 5-10 minutes a half for three postseasons in a row. No, the guy who couldn't get on the court for the Magic despite their backup center being unavailable is not that.

What the Magic did with Goga doesn't mean another team can't utilize or find use of him.

Orlando has no offense and terrible spacing. They couldn't run a good defensive center out on the court as they didn't have the required spacing or playmaking next to Goga and already had excellent defensive pieces around him.

Cleveland is a 60+ win team with Garland and Mitchell who are simply better offensive pieces than anyone on the Magic and can sacrifice some offense for Goga's defense.

Win-now teams don't trade a starter who gave them good minutes in the postseason for a third string center who may, or may not, be playable in playoffs. It's just not a thing.