Psubs wrote:JCP11 wrote:grant101 wrote:Not a fan of drafting CMB given our roster construction (and all the moaning from fans about a lack of spacing that would likely follow), but I’ll say this: if anyone in this draft has the potential to have a Kawhi-like outcome, it’s him. In college, kawhi was an elite defensive playmaker, rebounder, and a great on-ball driver for his size/role. Out of the grouping of forwards folks are talking about (Fleming, Bryant, Essengue), CMB is the only one that checks all those boxes. The stats back this up. Also, like Kawhi, His feel for the game is miles ahead of the others.
Bryant is a fine defender, Fleming is an overrated one, and Essengue is quite bad on defense. Bryant is also the only one that I trust will shoot it well enough to where defenses respect him. Nobody in this grouping has much on ball juice (Fleming is particularly bad here). I don’t buy the idea that any of these guys is a safe pick. IMO, we should be going for upside in the lottery.
For me it's simple, if he develops a shot he's a top 3 player in this draft, the rest of his game is already well advanced for a sophomore. Not a lot of people here wants to wait or bet on him developing his shot to a respectable level because of Scottie and I get it but I would take him regardless and do everything I can to improve his shot. At his size when he gets downhill He's like a mini Zion. He's simply just a very good basketball player.
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Did you watch him shoot at the combine? He won't become a better shooter from 3 than Draymond. Draymond is a 32% 3pt shooter, which is better than MJ and Kobe!Though in today's NBA if he's shooting more than a wide open catch and shoot it's hurting the team.
Fleming isn't overrated. He's being mocked in the teens and even in the 20's. Those that like him know that he can be on Bam's level who was drafted 14th. A taller lankier Bam that can shoot 3's might be his ceiling but damn, that's insane. Maybe a shorter Serge Ibaka that can guard 3-5?
Yeah, I watched him shoot, and it's not pretty. He's a decent ft shooter and has good touch down low, so I'm not ruling it out however. Kawhi and Draymond were also pretty poor shooters in college. I don't think it ever becomes a strength, but I see a world where it becomes respectable.
As for Fleming, I disagree. His jumper looks funky to me, and he shot meh on mostly catch-and shoot looks. On defence, his stats are OK, he moves his feet well enough, and he has the frame to be impactful, but he gets spacey off ball and I just don't see the high-level defender that folks keep suggesting. He'll be able to hang defensively, but players like CMB are legit disruptive. They read plays well and destroy actions. I don't see that with Rasheer. Most concerning with him though is his complete lack of playmaking. He can barely dribble, never passes and has a very bad AST/TO%. Very one dimensional on offence.
Bam and Draymond were both good ballhandlers for their size with a good feel for the game, and now serve as hubs for their respective offenses. I don't see any world where Rasheer does that.
