New Orleans & Philly Swap w/ Zion + Embiid

[ProcessDoctor]

CP3 was never bad. And certainly not the times he was traded. Cmon now.

Embiid is a huge risk with a huge contract. I think you overestimate how many teams are willing to take that on. You need a team with enough expendable salary that says if we can get enough games in the RS to make the playoffs, we have a lineup that with a healthy Embiid can win multiple series. Oh and have an enormous risk tolerance.

That team simply might not exist. None of the 4 teams you specifically named fit that at all.

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league. Same thing with Washington Westbrook. This is a star driven league, because even big names that are no longer good or make sense put fans in seats.

Several quotable responses in here when he eventually gets traded for positive value. All it takes is 1 team.

Considering that your examples of "receiving positive value" were actually uniformly negative--oddly by your own admission (as you confusingly included each person you mentioned in your trade examples as examples of both negative and positive value)--I like those odds.

Unless, of course, your definition of "positive value" truly includes receiving Wall, bad Westbrook, aging CP3, Simmons, and the oft-injured Zion--in which case, arguments could be made that just about anything back for Embiid equates to "positive value."

If that's indeed your definition, then yes, you'll likely "win" the Internet. Kudos in advance for this thrilling victory.

Houston Paul to OKC: Westbrook, two 1sts, and two 1st swaps

Wizards Westbrook to LAL: KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and a 1st

These are negative packages?

[taikibansei]

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league. Same thing with Washington Westbrook. This is a star driven league, because even big names that are no longer good or make sense put fans in seats.

Several quotable responses in here when he eventually gets traded for positive value. All it takes is 1 team.

Considering that your examples of "receiving positive value" were actually uniformly negative--oddly by your own admission (as you confusingly included each person you mentioned in your trade examples as examples of both negative and positive value)--I like those odds.

Unless, of course, your definition of "positive value" truly includes receiving Wall, bad Westbrook, aging CP3, Simmons, and the oft-injured Zion--in which case, arguments could be made that just about anything back for Embiid equates to "positive value."

If that's indeed your definition, then yes, you'll likely "win" the Internet. Kudos in advance for this thrilling victory.

Houston Paul to OKC: Westbrook, two 1sts, and two 1st swaps

Wizards Westbrook to LAL: KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and a 1st

These are negative packages?

Regarding that first trade, you've literally argued that Westbrook and CP3 were both negative value on this very thread. Now, you're suggesting (as they were traded for each other) that one is positive value? Which is it? (Personally, I would argue that 2019 Westbrook and 2019 CP3 were both marginally positive value--making the trade somewhat equal--but what do I know?). Also, FYI, of those draft picks, exactly one (1) transferred (the 2024 pick swap).

Regarding that second trade in 2021, it was actually a five-team mega trade involving 10+ players and 10+ 2nd round picks. (No first round picks seem to have been included.) I'm not sure anybody really won that trade. The details can be found here:

https://www.salaryswish.com/trades/players/russell-westbrook

[ProcessDoctor]

Considering that your examples of "receiving positive value" were actually uniformly negative--oddly by your own admission (as you confusingly included each person you mentioned in your trade examples as examples of both negative and positive value)--I like those odds.

Unless, of course, your definition of "positive value" truly includes receiving Wall, bad Westbrook, aging CP3, Simmons, and the oft-injured Zion--in which case, arguments could be made that just about anything back for Embiid equates to "positive value."

If that's indeed your definition, then yes, you'll likely "win" the Internet. Kudos in advance for this thrilling victory.

Houston Paul to OKC: Westbrook, two 1sts, and two 1st swaps

Wizards Westbrook to LAL: KCP, Kuzma, Harrell, and a 1st

These are negative packages?

Regarding that first trade, you've literally argued that Westbrook and CP3 were both negative value on this very thread. Now, you're suggesting (as they were traded for each other) that one is positive value? Which is it? (Personally, I would argue that 2019 Westbrook and 2019 CP3 were both marginally positive value--making the trade somewhat equal--but what do I know?). Also, FYI, of those draft picks, exactly one (1) transferred (the 2024 pick swap).

Regarding that second trade in 2021, it was actually a five-team mega trade involving 10+ players and 10+ 2nd round picks. (No first round picks seem to have been included.) I'm not sure anybody really won that trade. The details can be found here:

https://www.salaryswish.com/trades/players/russell-westbrook

If you can't comprehend that the same player can have different values at different points in their careers, then I can't help you. If you read again, I specifically mentioned those two players at those junctions in their careers.

If you also can't comprehend that, despite it being a multi-team deal, the Lakers sent the package I listed (yes, the Lakers traded the 22nd pick, aka Isaiah Jackson) in exchange for Westbrook, then I don't see how we can have a rational conversation. I can't hold your hand while you try to grasp this topic anymore man.

Let's agree to disagree and call it a day.

[the_process]

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league.

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

The consensus at that time was CP3 was a negative contract.

[Texas Chuck]

When CP3 was traded from Houston to OKC, he was absolutely considered a toxic contract. You can go back and find several quotes on this very forum calling him the worst contract in the league.

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

The consensus at that time was CP3 was a negative contract.

Again, consensus is meaningless to me, because I was all over Paul being a positive and was proven correct. Consensus on the board is Paulo Banchero is better than Sengun as well. I'll eat crow if eventually proven wrong, but I can only go by what I think. Not going to be swayed by popularity.

And Paul was traded as a positive except in that really odd Jordan Poole deal, but Washington has a long history of head-scratching moves. And he made the Thunder better. Made the Suns a contender. Heck, this year was a positive for the Spurs still.

Oh but on the internet where age and contract trump everything he was negative....

[the_process]

They were wrong. And you can find a bunch of quotes from me saying as such. Just because some internet posters are wrong about stuff doesn't mean you can rely on that to support your narrative lol.

The consensus at that time was CP3 was a negative contract.

Again, consensus is meaningless to me, because I was all over Paul being a positive and was proven correct. Consensus on the board is Paulo Banchero is better than Sengun as well. I'll eat crow if eventually proven wrong, but I can only go by what I think. Not going to be swayed by popularity.

And Paul was traded as a positive except in that really odd Jordan Poole deal, but Washington has a long history of head-scratching moves. And he made the Thunder better. Made the Suns a contender. Heck, this year was a positive for the Spurs still.

Oh but on the internet where age and contract trump everything he was negative....

Interesting take. I'll keep it in mind.

[howiezbt]

I think Philly waits to see whether Embiid can play before this type of deal is made. Zion has not shown any desire to get into real playing shape which would allow him to stay healthy over the long term. Also, if Embiid can’t play, Philly gets a big injury exemption to add a player.