2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7

[grant101]

I understand the logic in getting a supreme defender/high bpm guy and then hoping they could shoot but man that's tough for this team. How are you going to play Scottie, Ingram, CMB, Poeltl together?

I don't know about you guys but for me I'm hoping #9 is at least a starter within 2-3 years. It's fine if its a super role player ceiling but I at least want a starter here.

And I get the premise of BPA, but I dont know how to measure CMB. The lack of size and shot is worrisome when you think long term for this club.

If you guys think Mogbo had trouble scoring last year, CMB will be right there with him and we just drafted Mogbo.

Your concerns are absolutely legit. CMB doesn't fit our roster, and I think we should go in another direction (though I would take him before the Bryant, Fleming, Essengue contingent). That said, I think he's a FAR better prospect than Mogbo and far more aggressive and adept at scoring inside (despite Mogbo's size advantage). If Mogbo doesn't learn to finish under the basket consistently he'll be out of the league in no time - it's a bigger swing skill for him than his shot IMO.

[bboyskinnylegs]

If our front office likes CMB enough to take him despite the potential fit concerns, that would be a huge vote of confidence in his abilities. Which I would respect more than taking someone we think is worse that might fit the current lineup better. This team needs a lot more talent. Subsequent trades can/will be made to address issues later.

[dohboy_24]

When do you see a PG do this....His height won't matter in the NBA..

Maybe not, but his hand size will.

Hand length = 8.5 inches
Hand width = 9.5 inches

That's why he has to cup the basketball from underneath as he jumps and needs to bring his off-hand up to the ball to stabilize it before the dunk.

[Tripod]

I honestly don't want someone who can't shoot at 9 even if they are good defensively.

We were able to grab Mogbo who is just that as a 2nd rounder...we need to strive for a much better player at 9.

I said before, most stars come from guys who are already used to having the ball in their hands a lot. If rolling the dice on a hopeful star, gotta grab a guy with a handle.

I say that even if I like guys like Bryant or Maluach who would plug into what we already have. But they don't SUPPLANT any of our top guys in their 1st contracts.

Something about Jase where he could be that "guy" who just knows how to be great. Yes his size....but he was the same size this year, and it didn't matter.

Yep i did alot of scouting on Jase....He is just a legit dog...Can score in the most ways outside of Tre/Bailey/Flagg....Dude is just a shot taker and a shot maker....His handle as well is insane....He had some crazy snatch back ankle breakers....His size means NOTHING btw when you have a 38 inch vert with the ability to finish at the rim in a verity of ways it means nothing....I mean Lowry was 5'11" without shoes....Jase is Same size as Brunson....Certain small guys play bigger than their size and Jase is one of them guys...Also Jase is a natural PG he played PG in highschool and had 4 Ast per game he can deff play that position due to his handle alone...

When do you see a PG do this....His height won't matter in the NBA...I feel he will be better than both Mal/Bryant ...I think Mal/Bryant will both be utility players where as Jase could be a go to scoring guard like Brunson...

Yeah...I hate saying this out loud, but I see him being a smaller Ant...lol. I can just see him being a star....certainly way more than other guys we are discussing that fit very good into roles we need....like 3+D, backup C, etc...

I will trust Masai....but....

[ATLTimekeeper]

I understand the logic in getting a supreme defender/high bpm guy and then hoping they could shoot but man that's tough for this team. How are you going to play Scottie, Ingram, CMB, Poeltl together?

I don't know about you guys but for me I'm hoping #9 is at least a starter within 2-3 years. It's fine if its a super role player ceiling but I at least want a starter here.

And I get the premise of BPA, but I dont know how to measure CMB. The lack of size and shot is worrisome when you think long term for this club.

If you guys think Mogbo had trouble scoring last year, CMB will be right there with him and we just drafted Mogbo.

Your concerns are absolutely legit. CMB doesn't fit our roster, and I think we should go in another direction (though I would take him before the Bryant, Fleming, Essengue contingent). That said, I think he's a FAR better prospect than Mogbo and far more aggressive and adept at scoring inside (despite Mogbo's size advantage). If Mogbo doesn't learn to finish under the basket consistently he'll be out of the league in no time - it's a bigger swing skill for him than his shot IMO.

Yeah it really depends how you view Mogbo's touch, but it was obvious to me that he was really just a dunker in college. CMB has actual skill. Horrible fit with Scottie, but a few years down the road maybe he replaces Scottie for a fraction of the cost?

We just had one of our many rookies get a paltry 2 votes for all-rookie. The league doesn't think much of our future. We shouldn't be married to any of these guys.

[Clutch0z24]

When do you see a PG do this....His height won't matter in the NBA..

Maybe not, but his hand size will.

Hand length = 8.5 inches
Hand width = 9.5 inches

That's why he has to cup the basketball from underneath as he jumps and needs to bring his off-hand up to the ball to stabilize it before the dunk.

Yeah he may not throw down poster dunks on guys on the regular but if you go and do a deep dive on his game tape....You will see he can attack the rim in a verity of ways....He can also hang in the air on them layups and has all kind of finishes with both hands....His size deff will not impact his game at all....But even in games he can dunk it when he wants too....But he also is one of the best shot creators in the class....I like also how he gets to the FT line as a smaller guard....and he hit 102-122 of them....Thats elite stuff right there...We desperatly need a player who can get to the FT line....

He maybe 6'1" but he plays like a 6'6" player....sim to how Lowry/Brunson play....He would be a good player to have if you want a backup plan to IQ...

[ciueli]

If CMB could shoot he would be better than the majority of the players being discussed here.....CMB is a better defender and a better all around player than majority of the players in the 9th area....Problem is he can't shoot atm.....If we draft him its because Masai thinks his shot will be good one day....Because if he can shoot i like him alot more than Rasheer/Noa/Bryant because hes a better defender/playmaker/offensive versitility than them all....Just that shot man....Idk how it would fit with this current team...

Even if CMB shot 35% from 3, I still wouldn't pick him at #9. There's just too much overlap skill-wise between him and Scottie to make the two of them work together in the same lineup.

Yeah i totally said the same things....Its just if that jumpshot does come around and he can play more of a wing role...Like backup SF for Ingram incase he goes down ever....He is more impactfull than all the guys being talked about...Flem/Carter/Noa....CMB is better at everything on the court than these guys besides shooting...

But i do get the shooting is very important...But if Masai picks CMB its because he believes his shot will be good one day and i won't be as mad at it as i might have been...

One of the skills that virtually always translates from college to the NBA is defence, CMB is arguably the best defender in the entire draft. A lot of teams are looking for players who can defend across multiple positions as they see how successful strong defensive teams are becoming in the NBA. The shooting is an issue, but that's often an area of development that players can improve on after entering the NBA, unlike defence, it's hard to think of a player who started out a bad defender but became a great one.

There are lots of players who couldn't shoot early in their career but developed it later, Julius Randle shot 16.7% from 3 in college and I just watched a Western Conference Finals game where he shot 5 of 6 from 3. Brook Lopez is another example, shot below 15% from 3 in college, was basically a non-3 point shooter for his first 8 seasons in the NBA, but has shot over league average 3 point percentage his past 3 seasons. Kawhi was a 25% 3 point shooter in college, it's very common to enter the NBA as a poor shooter and develop it, teams will often gamble on players if they elite skills in other areas but don't shoot well.

[Clutch0z24]

I honestly don't want someone who can't shoot at 9 even if they are good defensively.

We were able to grab Mogbo who is just that as a 2nd rounder...we need to strive for a much better player at 9.

I said before, most stars come from guys who are already used to having the ball in their hands a lot. If rolling the dice on a hopeful star, gotta grab a guy with a handle.

I say that even if I like guys like Bryant or Maluach who would plug into what we already have. But they don't SUPPLANT any of our top guys in their 1st contracts.

Something about Jase where he could be that "guy" who just knows how to be great. Yes his size....but he was the same size this year, and it didn't matter.

Yep i did alot of scouting on Jase....He is just a legit dog...Can score in the most ways outside of Tre/Bailey/Flagg....Dude is just a shot taker and a shot maker....His handle as well is insane....He had some crazy snatch back ankle breakers....His size means NOTHING btw when you have a 38 inch vert with the ability to finish at the rim in a verity of ways it means nothing....I mean Lowry was 5'11" without shoes....Jase is Same size as Brunson....Certain small guys play bigger than their size and Jase is one of them guys...Also Jase is a natural PG he played PG in highschool and had 4 Ast per game he can deff play that position due to his handle alone...

When do you see a PG do this....His height won't matter in the NBA...I feel he will be better than both Mal/Bryant ...I think Mal/Bryant will both be utility players where as Jase could be a go to scoring guard like Brunson...

Yeah...I hate saying this out loud, but I see him being a smaller Ant...lol. I can just see him being a star....certainly way more than other guys we are discussing that fit very good into roles we need....like 3+D, backup C, etc...

I will trust Masai....but....

Yeah i feel Jase is being slept on due to his height alone...Which a few years down the line lots of teams will be asking themselves "Why did we pass on this guy" ....And we actually desperatly need a PG on this team....We need another guy who can control the game and get buckets....We have IQ/Shaed but i think both are replaceable if you get a better guard....I see a bouncier Brunson....He can create his own shot pretty elite ...

But i get it we just came off of FVV so people are sour on smaller players...But you can't just look at Jase height because he doesn't play like a small player....Jase is deff high on my board...He deff can be a high level play maker...He might not have played PG but he did his whole life up until college...But he has 68 Ast/30 TO....So he takes care of the ball...

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[dohboy_24]

Yeah i totally said the same things....Its just if that jumpshot does come around and he can play more of a wing role...Like backup SF for Ingram incase he goes down ever....He is more impactfull than all the guys being talked about...Flem/Carter/Noa....CMB is better at everything on the court than these guys besides shooting...

But i do get the shooting is very important...But if Masai picks CMB its because he believes his shot will be good one day and i won't be as mad at it as i might have been...

CMB weighed in at 240 lbs.

Among draft prospects, only Thomas Sorber, Eric Dixon, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Rocco Zikarsky, Vladislav Goldin, Khaman Maluach, Hansen Yang, Danny Wolf, Johnni Broome, Derik Queen, and Yanic Konan Niederhauser are heavier than him.

Among NBA players, he weighs as much as Kelly Olynyk, Jaylin Williams, Kristaps Porzingis, Lauri Markkanen, Mark Williams, Mitchell Robinson, Onyeka Okongwu, Quinten Post and many other big men.

For comparison, OG, Scottie Barnes, James Johnson, Aaron Gordon, Jae Crowder, and Jarace Walker are all similarly built (6-7, 240 lbs), but none of them could be classified as a wing since they are all forwards (SF/PF) in the same mold as CMB.

So... other than developing his shot (which is arguable), he's going to have to lose some weight/bulk to be able to play the SF/wing position in the NBA and should he do that, he'll likely lose most of the things that make him effective in the first place.

If you are looking for a backup SF or wing at #9, either Carter Bryant (6'8", 215 lbs) or Noa Essengue (6'9", 200 lbs) are probably going to be a much better fit. Heck, even Nique Clifford (6'6", 200 lbs), Liam McNeeley (6'8", 215 lbs), or Will Riley (6'8", 190 lbs) would probably be a better choice because CMB is not a wing and doesn't project to be one even if his shot improves.

[dohboy_24]

Yeah he may not throw down poster dunks on guys on the regular but if you go and do a deep dive on his game tape....You will see he can attack the rim in a verity of ways....He can also hang in the air on them layups and has all kind of finishes with both hands....His size deff will not impact his game at all....But even in games he can dunk it when he wants too....But he also is one of the best shot creators in the class....I like also how he gets to the FT line as a smaller guard....and he hit 102-122 of them....Thats elite stuff right there...We desperatly need a player who can get to the FT line....

He maybe 6'1" but he plays like a 6'6" player....sim to how Lowry/Brunson play....He would be a good player to have if you want a backup plan to IQ...

I'm not convinced he's a good fit for the Raptors.

While he has the size of a PG, he has the skills of a SG so he'd probably do best playing beside a jumbo playmaker in the backcourt like Josh Giddey (Chicago), LaMelo Ball (Charlotte), Cade Cunningham (Detroit) or Luka Doncic (LA Lakers) would can defend the SG while Jase defends the PG.

Considering the physical similarities to someone like Tahaad Pettiford, what is the difference between them when you consider Pettiford is a true PG who can finish at the rim with both hands, create off the dribble and shot the 3 ball?

Especially when you consider Tahaad Pettiford might be available when we pick at #9, what is the benefit/advantage of drafting Jase Richardson at #9 when you could get a player of similar size, stature and skills in the second round?

[Clutch0z24]

Yeah i totally said the same things....Its just if that jumpshot does come around and he can play more of a wing role...Like backup SF for Ingram incase he goes down ever....He is more impactfull than all the guys being talked about...Flem/Carter/Noa....CMB is better at everything on the court than these guys besides shooting...

But i do get the shooting is very important...But if Masai picks CMB its because he believes his shot will be good one day and i won't be as mad at it as i might have been...

CMB weighed in at 240 lbs.

Among draft prospects, only Thomas Sorber, Eric Dixon, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Rocco Zikarsky, Vladislav Goldin, Khaman Maluach, Hansen Yang, Danny Wolf, Johnni Broome, Derik Queen, and Yanic Konan Niederhauser are heavier than him.

Among NBA players, he weighs as much as Kelly Olynyk, Jaylin Williams, Kristaps Porzingis, Lauri Markkanen, Mark Williams, Mitchell Robinson, Onyeka Okongwu, Quinten Post and many other big men.

For comparison, OG, Scottie Barnes, James Johnson, Aaron Gordon, Jae Crowder, and Jarace Walker are all similarly built (6-7, 240 lbs), but none of them could be classified as a wing since they are all forwards (SF/PF) in the same mold as CMB.

So... other than developing his shot (which is arguable), he's going to have to lose some weight/bulk to be able to play the SF/wing position in the NBA and should he do that, he'll likely lose most of the things that make him effective in the first place.

If you are looking for a backup SF or wing at #9, either Carter Bryant (6'8", 215 lbs) or Noa Essengue (6'9", 200 lbs) are probably going to be a much better fit. Heck, even Nique Clifford (6'6", 200 lbs), Liam McNeeley (6'8", 215 lbs), or Will Riley (6'8", 190 lbs) would probably be a better choice because CMB is not a wing and doesn't project to be one even if his shot improves.

I am not in on the Bryant/Noa camp like majority here.....I don't mind them as role players but i don't see them being the BPA at 9....They are more projects to me who may or may not have an impact for us.....

for Noa Im also skeptical of the league Noa plays in...The BBL is full of short, not great athletes...They maybe pro guys but the league is not known for its athletes or tall players...So i question if Noa will look like he does in the NBA vs that league.....He is dunking everything (Looking like Giannis) But if you look at the comp hes against hes the tallest on the court/jumps higher/runs faster than basically majority all of them....Which to me gives him such an advantage it makes me wonder if he will look that dominant in the NBA....And if hes not able to dominate physcally are his basketball skills up to par?....Its a big question mark for me...

For Bryant i am more high on Bryant overall than i am Noa....But i also question his ability to handle the basketball, Get past any defender with his handle, Iso moves/Shot creation, Attacking the rim (He does not attack the rim in a one on one setting) , Getting to the FT line (He didn't get there much), No mid range pull ups.

I feel Noa would be more of a slasher/defender where as Bryant is just always a 3&D Fast break finisher....Hard for me to see them developing into anything more than Role players...

As for CMB....He also has his problems and i agree with everyone that sees the problems...But to me hes better at everything in the game of basketball besides Shooting than these guys ^^ So thats why i am on the CMB wave atm because to me if he learns to shoot hes prolly a better player than alot of players in this draft...

[dohboy_24]

One of the skills that virtually always translates from college to the NBA is defence, CMB is arguably the best defender in the entire draft. A lot of teams are looking for players who can defend across multiple positions as they see how successful strong defensive teams are becoming in the NBA. The shooting is an issue, but that's often an area of development that players can improve on after entering the NBA, unlike defence, it's hard to think of a player who started out a bad defender but became a great one.

There are lots of players who couldn't shoot early in their career but developed it later, Julius Randle shot 16.7% from 3 in college and I just watched a Western Conference Finals game where he shot 5 of 6 from 3. Brook Lopez is another example, shot below 15% from 3 in college, was basically a non-3 point shooter for his first 8 seasons in the NBA, but has shot over league average 3 point percentage his past 3 seasons. Kawhi was a 25% 3 point shooter in college, it's very common to enter the NBA as a poor shooter and develop it, teams will often gamble on players if they elite skills in other areas but don't shoot well.

CMB is a 3+D without the 3.

If you're going to make a list of players who didn't shot the 3 well in college, you'll find many more who never improve their percentages than the exceptions to the rule you've pointed out.

We already have a player on our team with the same skills and deficiencies who we're hoping can improve his shot. His name is Scottie Barnes.

At this point there is no evidence to suggest CMB is going to be able to develop a consistent 3 point shot and should we draft him, we'll likely be having the same discussions about him in 2-3 years that we're having about Scottie today.

[JCP11]

Yeah he may not throw down poster dunks on guys on the regular but if you go and do a deep dive on his game tape....You will see he can attack the rim in a verity of ways....He can also hang in the air on them layups and has all kind of finishes with both hands....His size deff will not impact his game at all....But even in games he can dunk it when he wants too....But he also is one of the best shot creators in the class....I like also how he gets to the FT line as a smaller guard....and he hit 102-122 of them....Thats elite stuff right there...We desperatly need a player who can get to the FT line....

He maybe 6'1" but he plays like a 6'6" player....sim to how Lowry/Brunson play....He would be a good player to have if you want a backup plan to IQ...

I'm not convinced he's a good fit for the Raptors.

While he has the size of a PG, he has the skills of a SG so he'd probably do best playing beside a jumbo playmaker in the backcourt like Josh Giddey (Chicago), LaMelo Ball (Charlotte), Cade Cunningham (Detroit) or Luka Doncic (LA Lakers) would can defend the SG while Jase defends the PG.

Considering the physical similarities to someone like Tahaad Pettiford, what is the difference between them when you consider Pettiford is a true PG who can finish at the rim with both hands, create off the dribble and shot the 3 ball?

I've been wondering myself, I actually think Pettiford is better than Jase but Jase has at least 10 pounds on Pettiford which right now helps Jase survive in the NBA more than Tahaad. Pettiford is too thin at 168 lbs (combine weight).

[Clutch0z24]

Yeah he may not throw down poster dunks on guys on the regular but if you go and do a deep dive on his game tape....You will see he can attack the rim in a verity of ways....He can also hang in the air on them layups and has all kind of finishes with both hands....His size deff will not impact his game at all....But even in games he can dunk it when he wants too....But he also is one of the best shot creators in the class....I like also how he gets to the FT line as a smaller guard....and he hit 102-122 of them....Thats elite stuff right there...We desperatly need a player who can get to the FT line....

He maybe 6'1" but he plays like a 6'6" player....sim to how Lowry/Brunson play....He would be a good player to have if you want a backup plan to IQ...

I'm not convinced he's a good fit for the Raptors.

While he has the size of a PG, he has the skills of a SG so he'd probably do best playing beside a jumbo playmaker in the backcourt like Josh Giddey (Chicago), LaMelo Ball (Charlotte), Cade Cunningham (Detroit) or Luka Doncic (LA Lakers) would can defend the SG while Jase defends the PG.

Considering the physical similarities to someone like Tahaad Pettiford, what is the difference between them when you consider Pettiford is a true PG who can finish at the rim with both hands, create off the dribble and shot the 3 ball?

If you have not done lots of research on Jase....But in High school Jase was a PG....He played PG all his life....Ik in college he played Combo gaurd where he was sometimes a PG and alot off ball SG....But in Highschool he had 15/4/4/2Stls/1Blk per gam....< Thats a pretty good stat line for a PG....

But yeah i get it you never seen him play PG in College so you don't believe he can do it ....But his Handles to me suggest he can and has a good Ast/TO Ratio...I don't think he is a combo guard in the NBA and a team that gets him will run him as a full time 3 level scoring PG ...

I think at the end of the day lots of teams will be looking back and wonder why Jase was not picked higher...Because i feel hes going to be one of the better players ....Considering he had the 2nd best BPM In the Class behind Flagg...

[Yallbecrazy]

If CMB could shoot he would be better than the majority of the players being discussed here.....CMB is a better defender and a better all around player than majority of the players in the 9th area....Problem is he can't shoot atm.....If we draft him its because Masai thinks his shot will be good one day....Because if he can shoot i like him alot more than Rasheer/Noa/Bryant because hes a better defender/playmaker/offensive versitility than them all....Just that shot man....Idk how it would fit with this current team...

Even if CMB shot 35% from 3, I still wouldn't pick him at #9. There's just too much overlap skill-wise between him and Scottie to make the two of them work together in the same lineup.

So you might pick him at #9 if he shot well, but was a worse defender and rebounder?

I don't understand how being really good at things is a negative.
If he shot 35% from 3 in college on decent volume and was a 80% free throw shooter he's closer to Flagg at #1 than he is to Harper at #2.

[OakleyDokely]

We can't look at all 3 point shooters or %s the same. Some guys shoot high %s because nobody is guarding them. That's not very valuable either because spacing is still an issue. A guy like G Dick only shot 35% from 3, but teams actually defended him out there, which makes him valuable as a floor spacer. 3pt % means very little unless the guy is taking a lot of them and/or a good portion of them are self created.

I don't think CMB necessarily needs to become a good 3pt shooter to be valuable, because that's not really his game, most defenses still won't guard him out there even if he shows catch and shoot potential . You're drafting him for the defensive versatility, the playmaking, the efficiency inside and the hub that he can be on offense. But team fit will be key. He's not going to work on every team.

[Dalek]

I am happy when people swing in the same direction as me. I am fully onboard with Jase Richardson as the pick.

He might have measured a little smaller, but the wingspan and elite shooting metrics and NBA pedigree and general poise he shows make me a believer. We don't need a traditional point guard because of our offense and Scottie Barnes - Jase being beside a jumbo creator is his ideal set-up. To me, I reflect on the following:

-Started as a 4 star recruit and rated 31 on RSCI - ended up on Michigan State
-Began as a back-up PG behind Jeremy Fears and Jaden Akins and ended up being the most important guard on the team
-Ended his one-and done career at 50/40/80 splits
-He wasn't supposed to be lotto or one-and-done and by his own will he made this happen and in a pressure situation with a tough coach in Izzo and a team that was not that great on paper

I look at the elite advanced stats like BPM, his on-court compete level and leadership, his quick hands on defense and the babyface/chubbiness and think he could be a little like Kyle Lowry.

For the second round, I am also locking in on a non-traditional option in Sion James. I think he completely undervalued or at least not sure why he isn't discussed more. The success of guys like Lu Dort or Alex Caruso in the playoffs make James a guy you can't pass up. He is an elite defender, great athlete, shoots over 40% from three and has a positive assist-to-turnover ratio. Basically he is mistake free and a dog on defense who is plug and play 3 and d.

We can target a big via undrafted category or through buying a late pick - Vlad Goldin who is NBA-ready, Mo Faye (playing in Italy and is an elite shotblocker), and Nate Bittle in case we want a Quentin Post type.

[Tripod]

Yep i did alot of scouting on Jase....He is just a legit dog...Can score in the most ways outside of Tre/Bailey/Flagg....Dude is just a shot taker and a shot maker....His handle as well is insane....He had some crazy snatch back ankle breakers....His size means NOTHING btw when you have a 38 inch vert with the ability to finish at the rim in a verity of ways it means nothing....I mean Lowry was 5'11" without shoes....Jase is Same size as Brunson....Certain small guys play bigger than their size and Jase is one of them guys...Also Jase is a natural PG he played PG in highschool and had 4 Ast per game he can deff play that position due to his handle alone...

When do you see a PG do this....His height won't matter in the NBA...I feel he will be better than both Mal/Bryant ...I think Mal/Bryant will both be utility players where as Jase could be a go to scoring guard like Brunson...

Yeah...I hate saying this out loud, but I see him being a smaller Ant...lol. I can just see him being a star....certainly way more than other guys we are discussing that fit very good into roles we need....like 3+D, backup C, etc...

I will trust Masai....but....

Yeah i feel Jase is being slept on due to his height alone...Which a few years down the line lots of teams will be asking themselves "Why did we pass on this guy" ....And we actually desperatly need a PG on this team....We need another guy who can control the game and get buckets....We have IQ/Shaed but i think both are replaceable if you get a better guard....I see a bouncier Brunson....He can create his own shot pretty elite ...

But i get it we just came off of FVV so people are sour on smaller players...But you can't just look at Jase height because he doesn't play like a small player....Jase is deff high on my board...He deff can be a high level play maker...He might not have played PG but he did his whole life up until college...But he has 68 Ast/30 TO....So he takes care of the ball...

The thing with Jase too is that he can play with IQ and Shead vs certain lineups too.

With IQ, IQ could be a movement SG running around creating lanes for others and give shooting from outside.

With Shead, smaller duo for sure but as we saw with Lowry/Fred, good defensively so could give opponents fits.

Jase just gives us something we lack but who's offense could give us a potential star. The other guys give us something we need(3+D, C) but I just don't see star potential.

Man this draft could go so many ways.

[grant101]

Yeah i totally said the same things....Its just if that jumpshot does come around and he can play more of a wing role...Like backup SF for Ingram incase he goes down ever....He is more impactfull than all the guys being talked about...Flem/Carter/Noa....CMB is better at everything on the court than these guys besides shooting...

But i do get the shooting is very important...But if Masai picks CMB its because he believes his shot will be good one day and i won't be as mad at it as i might have been...

CMB weighed in at 240 lbs.

Among draft prospects, only Thomas Sorber, Eric Dixon, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Rocco Zikarsky, Vladislav Goldin, Khaman Maluach, Hansen Yang, Danny Wolf, Johnni Broome, Derik Queen, and Yanic Konan Niederhauser are heavier than him.

Among NBA players, he weighs as much as Kelly Olynyk, Jaylin Williams, Kristaps Porzingis, Lauri Markkanen, Mark Williams, Mitchell Robinson, Onyeka Okongwu, Quinten Post and many other big men.

For comparison, OG, Scottie Barnes, James Johnson, Aaron Gordon, Jae Crowder, and Jarace Walker are all similarly built (6-7, 240 lbs), but none of them could be classified as a wing since they are all forwards (SF/PF) in the same mold as CMB.

So... other than developing his shot (which is arguable), he's going to have to lose some weight/bulk to be able to play the SF/wing position in the NBA and should he do that, he'll likely lose most of the things that make him effective in the first place.

If you are looking for a backup SF or wing at #9, either Carter Bryant (6'8", 215 lbs) or Noa Essengue (6'9", 200 lbs) are probably going to be a much better fit. Heck, even Nique Clifford (6'6", 200 lbs), Liam McNeeley (6'8", 215 lbs), or Will Riley (6'8", 190 lbs) would probably be a better choice because CMB is not a wing and doesn't project to be one even if his shot improves.

I don't get this. Why would he need to lose weight? He's built like a football player. He already does well to stay in front of wings and holds his own against guards. His big body and the way he's able to create space for himself on drives is one of his biggest advantages. What does it matter what he's classified as?