All of SGA game 1 drawn fouls

[dhsilv2]

that is quite the interesting description you've got there. how about this one:

sga drives, seeks contact with his arm, throws one up and seeks more contact with his leg while flopping off to the side

How did he seek it with his arm? His arm is mostly obscured but what we see is mostly his right arm to his side. McDaniel has an arm on SGA...seemingly doing nothing. And there's contact between their legs/hips...i'll leave it to others if that's a foul or not. But I don't see anything where SGA in that play initiated contact, let alone exaggerated it. I'd however avoid "knocking him to the ground"...they bumped into each other and SGA's footing wasn't great.

oh, sorry, I was going to post this tweet with a different angle

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Based on his shoe....I think he's clearly getting pushed and this isn't a flop.

That said...your comments on his arm are at least a possibility? We still can't really see what his arm is doing.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Congrats OKC fans- based on the disparaging narratives I can only assume you've made it

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Nick Wright rips the Shai double standard of him being a massive flipper meanwhile on defense the Thunder can maul people all game:

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Jason Timpf on the same issue:

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[MoneyTalks41890]

Nick Wright rips the Shai double standard of him being a massive flipper meanwhile on defense the Thunder can maul people all game:

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Jason Timpf on the same issue:

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Yeah this has been Wright’s shtick for a minute. Needs clicks from the starving haters.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Here’s a better angle on the obvious foul that folks were saying was a phantom call.

It was a trip. I don’t think intentional.

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[sashaturiaf]

Unethical buckets

He's not him but the NBA is making him him.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Unethical buckets

He's not him but the NBA is making him him.

He’s him without the free throws. Relies on them less than Luka does. Greater percentage of Luka’s points come from the stripe than SGAs.

But again don’t let facts get in the way of that narrative

[shrink]

The Wolves took 30 more threes and only 5 less ft's yet the whole narrative this morning is that SGA gets a favorable whistle.

This is exceedingly bad logic.

To determine if SGA gets a favorable whistle, you look at SGA plays, not MIN’s three’s or even the total shots from both teams’ players.

[hardenASG13]

SGA is awesome but last night was a little bit much. He just leans in and falls down, but to his credit gets a lot of and1s doing it. Hopefully he slows down with this stuff a little, like Brunson did after a few games into this playoffs. They're both good enough not to hunt for fouls.

[[EverGreen]]

Lots of chatter about Shai's whistle in game one. Here they are.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=15&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Gobert%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T1)%20(J.Capers)

Gobert bites on a pump fake and lands in to Shai's actual shot. 2 free throws.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=35&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Conley%20P.FOUL%20(P1.T3)%20(M.Lindsay)

Conley reaches for the ball and misses. When pulling his hand back he grabs and holds the off-wrist on the drive. This is uncalled. Then he reaches in a second time and makes contact with the ball, causing Shai to juggle it, but not effecting a steal. Shai turns his body to protect the ball and Conley ends up with his arms pretty much wrapped around Shai. Not the easiest thing to see because McDaniels gets in the way of the camera as it is happening. Side out.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=55&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T4)%20(T.Ford)

McDaniels does a funny hop step to get in to position. Shai drives on McDaniels. McDaniels maintains good guarding position but puts his hand on the top of Shai's back and presses just enough to impede his progress. He quickly removes his hand and wraps it around Shai's middle back but this contact seems to be inconsequential. Overall Shai's progress wasn't impeded all that much, and while technically a foul this feels like a very generous whistle for Shai considering it is the playoffs. Ant lazily tosses the ball towards Shai who is on the ground and gets a soft technical. 3 free throws.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=63&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Randle%20S.FOUL%20(P1.PN)%20(J.Capers)

Randle sticks his arm out as Shai is driving on him, so Shai rises in to a shot and Randle's arm makes contact. Bad discipline by Randle, giving an easily avoidable foul. 2 free throws.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=340&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20P.FOUL%20(P2.T2)%20(M.Lindsay)

McDaniels makes hip to hip contact and bumps Shai out of bounds. Side out.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=342&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20P.FOUL%20(P2.PN)%20(M.Lindsay)

This is the inbound from the previous McDaniels foul. At the start of this clip Shai is on the ground and Ant is standing over him. Don't really have any issue with this, but if it had spiraled in to something that the refs reviewed Ant would have been putting himself at risk of a second tech by standing and lingering over the top of the grounded player. The crowd is already reacting because they think Ant ran over the top of Shai to put him on the ground in the first place. What actually happened is Shai tripped on McDaniels foot (McDaniels was trying to shoulder check him with a leaning screen, but the foot Shai tripped on wasn't moving). Ant ends up running in to the back of an already falling Shai. The actual foul called is a very dumb one by Ant who two hand shoves Shai right in front of the ref for no reason???? 2 free throws because of the bonus.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=386&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20L.B.FOUL%20(P3.T1)%20(T.Ford)

Hartenstein gets the steal on Ant. Hartenstein gets ball/hand first but by the time the ball is dislodged he is on Ant's wrist, so probably should be a foul on Hartenstein. Not the easiest call to make though because the first contact looked clean. Shai gets to the ball before Ant who happens to knock Shai to the ground and land on top of him while going after the ball. No ill intent. Side out.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=412&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P4.T3)%20(T.Ford)

Shai drives on McDaniels. Shai stops on a dime to go for a stepback. McDaniels tries to stop and puts his foot in the wrong place (Behind Shai's heel). Shai does the step back inevitably getting caught on McDaniels misplaced foot. Shai gets the continuation. And 1. Clearly a foul, but bad luck McDaniels.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=470&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=DiVincenzo%20P.FOUL%20(P2.T4)%20(J.Capers)

Wrap around foul on Donte. Side out.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=485&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Instant%20Replay3rd%20Period%20(10%3A27%20PM%20EST)

Shai drives between two defenders and loses balance of his own accord. Refs make a clear wrong call that the Timberwolves challenge. It is overturned.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=509&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20S.FOUL%20(P4.PN)%20(M.Lindsay)

Ant starts guarding Shai at the logo. Shai wrongfoots Ant with a fake, and takes the newly open driving lane. Ant tries to recover, but knocks Shai off his line as he is driving to the hoop. Shai can sense the contact coming and rises in to a shot. And 1.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=614&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P5.T2)%20(M.Lindsay)

Randle loses the ball. After a couple of passes in transition Shai ends up with the ball. Shai gets a half step ahead of McDaniels and is driving to the hoop. A beaten McDaniels runs in to the back of him, knocking him to the ground. Shai hits a circus shot on the way down. And 1.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=637&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P6.T3)%20(J.Capers)

McDaniels guarding Shai. Shai is putting the moves on him. Shai goes for the drive and McDaniels moves with him but then hesitates. McDaniels realizes he is beaten and grabs Shai's arm with both hands. Shai rises in to a shot. 2 free throws, and McDaniels fouls out.

I'm not a ref so for any actual refs we have here reading, correct me where I am wrong.

Now do the same for each of Jokic's possessions in G7 and you might get an insight into the frustration of fans that don't have a horse in this race.

As has been said, you can find a foul on almost every NBA half court possession, it's the embellishment of contact and the preferential treatment (even compared to other stars) that make it hard to watch.

[GeorgeSears]

These were embarrassing:

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=55&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T4)%20(T.Ford)

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=342&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20P.FOUL%20(P2.PN)%20(M.Lindsay)

(This one should infuriate you because this is how Caruso plays defense on every possession, DDV doesn't get the reputational non-call.)

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=470&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=DiVincenzo%20P.FOUL%20(P2.T4)%20(J.Capers)

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=614&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P5.T2)%20(M.Lindsay)

[LSWF]

These were embarrassing:

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=55&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T4)%20(T.Ford)

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=342&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20P.FOUL%20(P2.PN)%20(M.Lindsay)

(This one should infuriate you because this is how Caruso plays defense on every possession, DDV doesn't get the reputational non-call.)

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=470&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=DiVincenzo%20P.FOUL%20(P2.T4)%20(J.Capers)

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=614&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P5.T2)%20(M.Lindsay)

Yep, defense for thee but not for me.

[FlyingArrow]

OP, thanks for breaking those down.

I disagree with several.

Lots of chatter about Shai's whistle in game one. Here they are.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=15&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Gobert%20S.FOUL%20(P1.T1)%20(J.Capers)

Gobert bites on a pump fake and lands in to Shai's actual shot. 2 free throws.

#1: This is some of the worst foul baiting - the classic Harden move we all hate. The offensive player moved into the defender's landing zone, and he wasn't trying to make a shot. That should be a no call or at most a foul on the floor. I'm not suggesting it's an offensive foul, but neither should it be a shooting foul.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=342&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20P.FOUL%20(P2.PN)%20(M.Lindsay)

This is the inbound from the previous McDaniels foul. At the start of this clip Shai is on the ground and Ant is standing over him. Don't really have any issue with this, but if it had spiraled in to something that the refs reviewed Ant would have been putting himself at risk of a second tech by standing and lingering over the top of the grounded player. The crowd is already reacting because they think Ant ran over the top of Shai to put him on the ground in the first place. What actually happened is Shai tripped on McDaniels foot (McDaniels was trying to shoulder check him with a leaning screen, but the foot Shai tripped on wasn't moving). Ant ends up running in to the back of an already falling Shai. The actual foul called is a very dumb one by Ant who two hand shoves Shai right in front of the ref for no reason???? 2 free throws because of the bonus.

I thought this should have been a tech on Ant. This is one where the call was too lenient on the Wolves.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=412&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=McDaniels%20S.FOUL%20(P4.T3)%20(T.Ford)

Shai drives on McDaniels. Shai stops on a dime to go for a stepback. McDaniels tries to stop and puts his foot in the wrong place (Behind Shai's heel). Shai does the step back inevitably getting caught on McDaniels misplaced foot. Shai gets the continuation. And 1. Clearly a foul, but bad luck McDaniels.

#2: No foul here. Bad call - not a trip.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=470&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=DiVincenzo%20P.FOUL%20(P2.T4)%20(J.Capers)

Wrap around foul on Donte. Side out.

#3: I don't see a foul here. I'm not even sure which one the ref is calling. Left arm does not appear to impede SGA at all. Right arm appears to be all ball. Tough call at speed, though, so I'm not going to fault the ref even if it was clean.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=509&GameID=0042400311&Season=2024-25&flag=1&title=Edwards%20S.FOUL%20(P4.PN)%20(M.Lindsay)

Ant starts guarding Shai at the logo. Shai wrongfoots Ant with a fake, and takes the newly open driving lane. Ant tries to recover, but knocks Shai off his line as he is driving to the hoop. Shai can sense the contact coming and rises in to a shot. And 1.

I see no contact on that camera angle, but I assume there was based on the announcer's nonplussed reaction. (That's also my comment for a couple of others where the contact is not shown in this particular camera angle, but the announcers call the contact basically simultaneous with the ref's whistle.)

So that's 3 of Shai's drawn fouls where I disagree. But really only 2, since the first one above is a problem with the rulebook, not a problem with how it was called.

FWIW, I hope the Thunder win.

[Optms]

Not even Embiid or Prime James Harden have been dissected this thoroughly in regards to creating a narrative around free throws.

This is truly next level rent free.

[RB34]

I think you missed the point.

[RB34]

SGA fans are some of the worst hypocrites in the NBA fanbase. If those are genuine fouls then the whole OKC team should foul out by the 2nd quarter.

Exactly. Call it a foul that’s fine. That’s not the problem. The problem is it’s not called a foul at the other end. Fans just want consistency and it’s obvious that the Thunder get far and away the best whistle in the league. When you have the entire NBA community talking about it today, there’s a problem. Even a guy like Jason Timpf who constantly refuses to “blame the refs” had to say something about it last night because that’s how bad it’s gotten.

the thunder had one of the worst free throw rate differentials of all time in the nba this year.

they have more elite players on the defensive end than anyone. the reason they can 'get away with' so much contact is because how smart they are about inducing it, and how talented they are at toeing the line. it's a skill issue. if it wasn't, every other team would play this way. and if you're arguing that the thunder get some predetermined beneficial treatment from referees, then- lol.

We often see the player with the defensive reputation get the benefit of the doubt. Anyone that has watch this league knows this.

Look at the leash draymond has. That’s the problem.

[mattg]

Here’s a better angle on the obvious foul that folks were saying was a phantom call.

It was a trip. I don’t think intentional.

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Obviously not an intentional trip, but it's also not a foul at all, it's a no call play on. Shai actually plants his foot to stepback in between McDaniels feet on the floor, and SGA's foot that he plants is WAY outside the space he is entitled to as an offensive player. It would be the same as awarding an offensive player a shooting foul for kicking their leg out on the jumper a full 3 feet from their regular shooting motion while they leg goes underneath the airborne defensive player. Yes there is contact, but when it is initiated by the offensive player contorting their body to go outside of their entitled to space as an offensive player, they can't be rewarded for that.

Refs have to be better, more consistent. The contact that is called on one end has to be called on the other, that's the issue. Either let both sides maul each other and we can play 87-83 final score hoops, or we can call it by the rule book and play 116-113 final score hoops. But this crap right now where one side can maul defensively while another can't breathe on their opponents is dumb and boring and will lead to blowouts and bad viewership that will just be blamed on Small Market Size.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Here’s a better angle on the obvious foul that folks were saying was a phantom call.

It was a trip. I don’t think intentional.

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Obviously not an intentional trip, but it's also not a foul at all, it's a no call play on. Shai actually plants his foot to stepback in between McDaniels feet on the floor, and SGA's foot that he plants is WAY outside the space he is entitled to as an offensive player. It would be the same as awarding an offensive player a shooting foul for kicking their leg out on the jumper a full 3 feet from their regular shooting motion while they leg goes underneath the airborne defensive player. Yes there is contact, but when it is initiated by the offensive player contorting their body to go outside of their entitled to space as an offensive player, they can't be rewarded for that.

Refs have to be better, more consistent. The contact that is called on one end has to be called on the other, that's the issue. Either let both sides maul each other and we can play 87-83 final score hoops, or we can call it by the rule book and play 116-113 final score hoops. But this crap right now where one side can maul defensively while another can't breathe on their opponents is dumb and boring and will lead to blowouts and bad viewership that will just be blamed on Small Market Size.

It's a foul 100/100 times it's a trip from the defender come on now.

That plant is a natural move he's entitled to that space.

[alebaba]

Let's be real — the NBA is a physical game. If they want to call ticky-tack fouls, the majority of the players will foul out. If they're going to call ticky-tack fouls, call them on all the players

Some of these players don't even try to score they just try to bait fouls. That's not how the game should be played. It's not that hard.

[DrModesty]

that is quite the interesting description you've got there. how about this one:

sga drives, seeks contact with his arm, throws one up and seeks more contact with his leg while flopping off to the side

How did he seek it with his arm? His arm is mostly obscured but what we see is mostly his right arm to his side. McDaniel has an arm on SGA...seemingly doing nothing. And there's contact between their legs/hips...i'll leave it to others if that's a foul or not. But I don't see anything where SGA in that play initiated contact, let alone exaggerated it. I'd however avoid "knocking him to the ground"...they bumped into each other and SGA's footing wasn't great.

oh, sorry, I was going to post this tweet with a different angle

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That tweet shows even more clearly that Shai has managed to get in front of McDaniels, that McDaniels isn't in a legal guarding position, and that McDaniels runs in to the back of him. Very good camera angle.