2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

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Also for all this talk about Ty Jerome playing well against Herro. Did you guys watch the Cavs games throughout this season? Did you guys watch what Ty Jerome was doing prior to the playoffs even? He was already coming in on a heater. I'm not saying Herro's defense isn't bad but let's be real about the overall picture.

So how did Ty Jerome do in his next series after they beat the Heat? Probably really well given the hot streak he was on, right?

As predicted, as soon as he faced a semi decent and competent defender in the playoffs he was going to get annulled. As exactly happened against Indiana. As much as Herro improved his offense, his defense is just putrid. We will always be at a disadvantage when he is on the floor, we are not talking about an average defender, he is just really really bad.

He is so bad defensively, that he would not get minutes over Josh Hart if Herro was on the Knicks squad. We have to hide his, duncan robinson and other player defensive deficiencies with zone and help..


I dont think my argument that he would not start on most of the playoff teams this season is that insane honestly.

His offensive stats this year, believe me he isnt getting anything close to that on any other team. He would not get the shot attempts, there are much better first second and even third options than Herro on most teams in the league.


But i will say, if Herro was coming off the bench for a team like the Timberwolves, hed thrive, theyd be champions.

Hes not a starter, unfortunately the Heat are so stubborn about their ways and will think hes some building block alongside if Bam.


Ive said it before, if teams around the league are crazy enough to send us two picks, or if some team like the Bucks are willing to take him in as part of a package that we send to get Giannis and still keep bam… Cash out now.

Just adding durant to this squad i promise we are going bck to this conversation next offseason

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Herro can be good enough for #2 offensively on a contender.

Ya'll gave up on him last year and were willing to trade him for Gabe Vincent and Max Strus lol.

Just to satisfy my curiosity ... name a team from this season that wins the championship with Tyler as the #2 guy.

OKC, but whats the point here?
They are winning anyway.

Outside shot Denver, I'd rate Murray and Herro basically the same at this point in their careers, leaning to an edge for Herro because Murray is playing next to MVP level guy already

The point here is that I think a lot of Heat fans overestimate what Tyler Herro brings to the table and what he would and could do on a team where he isn't allowed to dominate the ball. I don't think Herro would be nearly as good a #2 as some Heat fans think. I don't think he's as good as some of the #2s that Heat fans think he's better than, and that are currently filling that role on those teams.

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Just to satisfy my curiosity ... name a team from this season that wins the championship with Tyler as the #2 guy.

OKC, but whats the point here?
They are winning anyway.

Outside shot Denver, I'd rate Murray and Herro basically the same at this point in their careers, leaning to an edge for Herro because Murray is playing next to MVP level guy already

The point here is that I think a lot of Heat fans overestimate what Tyler Herro brings to the table and what he would and could do on a team where he isn't allowed to dominate the ball. I don't think Herro would be nearly as good a #2 as some Heat fans think. I don't think he's as good as some of the #2s that Heat fans think he's better than, and that are currently filling that role on those teams.

You do realize that he still dragged us to the playoffs as the leading scorer right? With ALL the flaws of the team. Something that several "better" players didn't do. Heat fans always berate their own players far more than hype them up. The grass is ALWAYS greener until it isn't..see Rozier, see Beal who some suggested we trade Herro for etc.

In this very thread somebody is still going on about bench player...these are not serious comments.

What ball is he dominating? We're on a team with minimal perimeter threats and dude had 20+ attempts on about a third of the games.

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Ja? Luka? Trae?

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Ja? Luka? Trae?

More like Walter Clayton Jr with Mitchell. If we are lucky a fully rehabbed Dru Smith as the 3rd guard

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OKC, but whats the point here?
They are winning anyway.

Outside shot Denver, I'd rate Murray and Herro basically the same at this point in their careers, leaning to an edge for Herro because Murray is playing next to MVP level guy already

The point here is that I think a lot of Heat fans overestimate what Tyler Herro brings to the table and what he would and could do on a team where he isn't allowed to dominate the ball. I don't think Herro would be nearly as good a #2 as some Heat fans think. I don't think he's as good as some of the #2s that Heat fans think he's better than, and that are currently filling that role on those teams.

You do realize that he still dragged us to the playoffs as the leading scorer right? With ALL the flaws of the team. Something that several "better" players didn't do. Heat fans always berate their own players far more than hype them up. The grass is ALWAYS greener until it isn't..see Rozier, see Beal who some suggested we trade Herro for etc.

In this very thread somebody is still going on about bench player...these are not serious comments.

What ball is he dominating? We're on a team with minimal perimeter threats and dude had 20+ attempts on about a third of the games.

As I point out at the start of every season, you have to intentionally tank to not at least make the play-in. We were the 10th seed with 37 wins. That sucks. Toronto was the 11th seed with 30 wins. It's not like there is cut throat competition for these spots. Most years between 9-11 teams in the conference are trying and the rest are trying to secure a good draft pick. Congrats to the guys for securing that final playoff spot ... I guess.

There isn't another quality team in the NBA (in our case quality is past tense) that would allow Herro to handle the ball as much as he does here. We had/have a weird situation where the better players on the team didn't (and don't) demand the ball and we have no PG, so the ball ends up in Tyler's all too willing hands.

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Seeing on Twitter and YouTube a focused advocacy that Mia attains a lead guard above all else

Finally.

Feels like I’ve been screaming about this in an empty forest for years.

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It’s nice to fantasize about other teams lead guards but it’s time we start using our draft resources and developing our own. I don’t even remember the last time we’ve even attempted to draft a playmaker. Once upon a time we did try and traded for Shabazz Napier but we probably did zero scouting on him and just traded for him cause of Lebron’s big mouth. He was also only 6’0 175 pounds. This upcoming draft should be rich in PG talent at pick 20. Grizz are not trading Morant for Herro when they already have Bane and the Hawks are not swapping out Trae Young for him either. Both guards contract extensions are coming up and i guarantee the Hawks much rather prefer to extend their fan favorite Young over Tyler. Give that chit up already.

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Not Adam talks about trading Tyler for a top 5 pick but in what world is a team in the top 5 trading for Herro and his contract when they can take a swing at cost controlled options like Edgecombe and Johnson who project to be just as good or even better than Herro. Shoot you could probably even put Knueppel into the conversation. It’s easy to feed the Heat twitter swarm with these mindless scenarios. Then the easy fall back is sleepy Pat and fire Pat when these scenarios never existed in the first place. Only pushed by fake insiders feeding a rabid fan base.

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Just another guy trying to be me, can’t blame him tbh.

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Not Adam talks about trading Tyler for a top 5 pick but in what world is a team in the top 5 trading for Herro and his contract when they can take a swing at cost controlled options like Edgecombe and Johnson who project to be just as good or even better than Herro. Shoot you could probably even put Knueppel into the conversation. It’s easy to feed the Heat twitter swarm with these mindless scenarios. Then the easy fall back is sleepy Pat and fire Pat when these scenarios never existed in the first place. Only pushed by fake insiders feeding a rabid fan base.

In his defense, top 3 teams (Mavs, Spurs, and 76ers) are all win-now teams in theory. Not saying anyone of them would have an interest in Herro for various reasons but a logical thread indeed exists that lends to this hypothetical.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not Adam talks about trading Tyler for a top 5 pick but in what world is a team in the top 5 trading for Herro and his contract when they can take a swing at cost controlled options like Edgecombe and Johnson who project to be just as good or even better than Herro. Shoot you could probably even put Knueppel into the conversation. It’s easy to feed the Heat twitter swarm with these mindless scenarios. Then the easy fall back is sleepy Pat and fire Pat when these scenarios never existed in the first place. Only pushed by fake insiders feeding a rabid fan base.

In his defense, top 3 teams (Mavs, Spurs, and 76ers) are all win-now teams in theory. Not saying anyone of them would have an interest in Herro for various reasons but a logical thread indeed exists that lends to this hypothetical.

Mavs have Klay, Spurs have Vassell, and 76ers have Maxey and McCain. It’s not a realistic discussion discussing Herro to these teams. Zero. Mavs in win now trading for Herro over Cooper? Giannis i’ll give you. Spurs with Vassell and potentially Harper for Herro? Cmon man. There is no defense here

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If you saw this season play out and think we have any corner stone type players, I don't know what you saw.

We have a few good players, none of which should be considered untouchable. Everything should be on the table. Anyone and everyone.

Who should get traded and for what - that only depends on what value can you get and what's the vision this front office has about the next great team.

Personally because I believe in defense, toughness and size I'd really try to keep these 5 players, and only them :


Bam - unless we get really great value for him, like the #2 pick this year.
Ware - showed high ceiling glimpses
Jovic - because we won't great value for him, so might as well hope he finally makes the leap
Larsson - good fit and isn't worth much to anyone else
Mitchell - same as Larsson

That's it.

I'd listen hard on every trade idea about anyone else on the roster.

I don't know what's this front office is trying to build, I see no clear identity to this team and I just hope they have SOME KIND of a vision about what team they're trying to build.

[Beenie]

Not Adam talks about trading Tyler for a top 5 pick but in what world is a team in the top 5 trading for Herro and his contract when they can take a swing at cost controlled options like Edgecombe and Johnson who project to be just as good or even better than Herro. Shoot you could probably even put Knueppel into the conversation. It’s easy to feed the Heat twitter swarm with these mindless scenarios. Then the easy fall back is sleepy Pat and fire Pat when these scenarios never existed in the first place. Only pushed by fake insiders feeding a rabid fan base.

In his defense, top 3 teams (Mavs, Spurs, and 76ers) are all win-now teams in theory. Not saying anyone of them would have an interest in Herro for various reasons but a logical thread indeed exists that lends to this hypothetical.

Mavs have Klay, Spurs have Vassell, and 76ers have Maxey and McCain. It’s not a realistic discussion discussing Herro to these teams. Zero. Mavs in win now trading for Herro over Cooper? Giannis i’ll give you. Spurs with Vassell and potentially Harper for Herro? Cmon man. There is no defense here

Under no scenario you think SA would trade for Herro?

No complex multi team deal to gain one of the best spot up 3 point shooters in league for spacing?

[Kobewade11]

It’s nice to fantasize about other teams lead guards but it’s time we start using our draft resources and developing our own. I don’t even remember the last time we’ve even attempted to draft a playmaker. Once upon a time we did try and traded for Shabazz Napier but we probably did zero scouting on him and just traded for him cause of Lebron’s big mouth. He was also only 6’0 175 pounds. This upcoming draft should be rich in PG talent at pick 20. Grizz are not trading Morant for Herro when they already have Bane and the Hawks are not swapping out Trae Young for him either. Both guards contract extensions are coming up and i guarantee the Hawks much rather prefer to extend their fan favorite Young over Tyler. Give that chit up already.

Young still being souped up off a fluke conference finals run from 5 years ago

And yea the Spurs are not trading for Herro. Why would they do that when they have carte blanche to pursue literally any wing in the league with their assets.

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Long shot yes but the hypothetical isnt completely dismissible

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If you saw this season play out and think we have any corner stone type players, I don't know what you saw.

We have a few good players, none of which should be considered untouchable. Everything should be on the table. Anyone and everyone.

Who should get traded and for what - that only depends on what value can you get and what's the vision this front office has about the next great team.

Personally because I believe in defense, toughness and size I'd really try to keep these 5 players, and only them :


Bam - unless we get really great value for him, like the #2 pick this year.
Ware - showed high ceiling glimpses
Jovic - because we won't great value for him, so might as well hope he finally makes the leap
Larsson - good fit and isn't worth much to anyone else
Mitchell - same as Larsson

That's it.

I'd listen hard on every trade idea about anyone else on the roster.

I don't know what's this front office is trying to build, I see no clear identity to this team and I just hope they have SOME KIND of a vision about what team they're trying to build.

Well what you DO have is a guy who has shown you he can be the 2nd best player on a team that gets the 1st seed in the East and make several deep playoff runs to the finals/ECF and at that point it may just come down to who’s healthiest. I’d try to get a true number 1 guy, then you have Bam who’s a proven winner and you go from there.

We need a playmaking guard and we need some dogs that can play high level defense and knock down 3s

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Tyler Herro for every 1st the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, or Jazz own!!!

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