2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 7

[Raptorfan2012]

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With the 9th overall pick, the Toronto Raptors select…

Roger’s is gonna make that international money.

[CazOnReal]

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[CazOnReal]

I understand the logic in getting a supreme defender/high bpm guy and then hoping they could shoot but man that's tough for this team. How are you going to play Scottie, Ingram, CMB, Poeltl together?

I don't know about you guys but for me I'm hoping #9 is at least a starter within 2-3 years. It's fine if its a super role player ceiling but I at least want a starter here.

And I get the premise of BPA, but I dont know how to measure CMB. The lack of size and shot is worrisome when you think long term for this club.

If you guys think Mogbo had trouble scoring last year, CMB will be right there with him and we just drafted Mogbo.

CMB just doesn't make any sense on multiple levels and I've given up trying to understand why people want him.

The only thing I will say as someone who doesn't believe in Collin is that the same conversations were had regarding Scottie Barnes and Pascal i.e. the non-shooting and spacing - and we took Scottie which was the right call.

Still don't like CMB as our "reward" for a sub-35 win season but I digress.

[RoteSchroder]

Ya, like Markovic may be a taller Nikola Jovic. Ooooh, he's like a shorter Zvonimir but is quicker and has the handles of a SF. He has a slow but effective crossover for use against bigs. Has a hesi too. He can already hit the Euro 3 at 37%.

Maybe he's a taller Matas Buzelis?

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I can see Utah trading #5 for #8 and #19.

#8 Kon Knueppel or if gone, then Egor Demin
#19 Danny Wolf
#21 Bogoljub Markovic

Markovic isn't getting much attention. Being mocked in the mid-2nd round everywhere.

Three of the guys I'd target are international players (Essengue, Yang, Markovic). If we can't get a C in the 1st round, we need to hope that a decent C is available with the 2nd...a couple I like - Kalk, Beringer - will probably be off the board by then

If we can get an additional low to mid 2nd, Milos Uzan I think is a good value pick

Masai needs to work his magic for those extra picks..gonna be expensive in this draft.

[Rapsfan07]

I understand the logic in getting a supreme defender/high bpm guy and then hoping they could shoot but man that's tough for this team. How are you going to play Scottie, Ingram, CMB, Poeltl together?

I don't know about you guys but for me I'm hoping #9 is at least a starter within 2-3 years. It's fine if its a super role player ceiling but I at least want a starter here.

And I get the premise of BPA, but I dont know how to measure CMB. The lack of size and shot is worrisome when you think long term for this club.

If you guys think Mogbo had trouble scoring last year, CMB will be right there with him and we just drafted Mogbo.

CMB just doesn't make any sense on multiple levels and I've given up trying to understand why people want him.

The only thing I will say as someone who doesn't believe in Collin is that the same conversations were had regarding Scottie Barnes and Pascal i.e. the non-shooting and spacing - and we took Scottie which was the right call.

Still don't like CMB as our "reward" for a sub-35 win season but I digress.

I can definitely grant that taking Barnes was the right call. But because we took him, it makes my position on CMB that much stronger.

If we're going to be honest, that lack of a consistent jumper and lack of a bag has severely limited Barnes as scorer. Last thing we should be considering is adding another player with all the same weaknesses.

There can only be one of these kinds of players in the starting lineup of a championship caliber team and we already used #4 on a player that turned out to be an All-Star.

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This all stresses me out. Two teams ahead of us looking at PGs. It just makes it more likely we have Maluach fall to us which will be an all-time boring selection and not really advance the team anywhere. I assume he ends up serviceable but I don't see star potential.

i disagree. a rim protecting lob threat would help us alot, even if it's for 15 mins .

[djsunyc]

The difference is: The talent gap between the prospects at other positions is arguably much greater than the gap between Jase and Tahaad so I wouldn't hedge my bets that I could get a similarly skilled prospect 30 picks later as I would with Jase at #9.

If you miss out on Jase, there's still a pretty good chance you can grab a similarly talented guard like Tahaad Pettiford, Labaron Philon, Ben Saraf, or Walter Clayton Jr at the top of the second round.

Khaman is projected to go in the top 10. The talent gap between him and other Cs like Maxime Raynaud, Ryan Kalkbreener, Johnni Broome, Hansen Yang, Alex Condon, and Rocco Zikarsky who might be available at #39 is much larger than the gap between Jase and Tahaad.

If you miss out on Maluach, the likelihood you can grab a similarly talented C at the top of the second round isn't very good.

Same goes with Derik Queen and the talent gap between him and those same players. It is much greater than the gap between Jase and Tahaad so if you miss out on DQ, the chance you can grab a similarly talented C at the top of the second round isn't very likely.

Tre Johnson is projected to go in the top 10. The talent gap between him and other SGs like Chaz Lanier, Drake Powell, Miles Byrd, Sion James, and Koby Brea who might be available at #39 is much larger than the gap between Jase and Tahaad. If you miss out on Tre Johnson, the chance you can grab a similarly talented SG at the top of the second round isn't very likely.

Kon Knueppel is projected to go in the top 10. The gap between him and other SFs like Noah Penda, Adou Thiero, Alex Toohey, Darrion Williams, Sion James, Karter Knox and Dink Pate who might be available at #39 is much larger than the gap between Jase and Tahaad.

If you miss out on Kon, the only prospect you could find at the top of the second round who doesn't have as wide of a gap between himself and Kon is Hugo Gonzalez.

I disagree with just about everything you said here. Heres what I can offer you. The assumed "talent gap" you keep proposing is more of a consensus opinion on these players projected impact in the NBA. So my point is we currently do not know how any of these players will do in the NBA, especially the bigs. Everybody's opinion is different.

Personally I have Raynuad going 14th to the Spurs. Hansen Yang probably goes 1st round as well. And you wanna talk about "talent" Kalkbrenner is a 4x Defensive Player of the Year in the Big East, he only missed 5 of his 143 games in the past 4 seasons and has a 2 to 1 block to foul ratio with only 1.4 fouls playing 35 minutes per game. So he plays the entire game and doesn't even average 2 fouls yet still managed to be the defensive player of the conference 4 times. Look I'm a supporter of Maluach and actually hope we draft him but in reality Khaman Maluach is not that good and he might never be.

So as far as talent gaps go and whos available at 39, listen I doubt any of those guys are available at 39 and the "skill gap" between Maluach and Kalkbrenner, Yang, Raynaud and Broome is 100% not in Maluach's favor.

And your assuming that Pettiford has already been selected in the 2nd round and Richardson in the lottery. I agree there is no talent gap between those two, but don't assume Pettiford isn't gonna be picked top 20 just because the mock drafts arent saying that. If your able to tell the talent gap is very small between those two you can also probably tell he wont fall to the 2nd round.

I agree.

Pre-season Maluach was in a battle for #1 with Flagg. As they played games, Maluach dropped to top 5 then top 10 only.

I will say it again, if the big isn't good enough to be a top 5 pick then you might as well get a C in the late teens or 20's. GS got post in the late 2nd round. Raptors got Chomche at the end of the 2nd.

but who are post and chomche? they may be nobodies. can't point to them as examples. i will repeat this, if the realistic expectation is solid rotation player at the 9th pick, then using that for a center is perfectly fine.

[JCP11]

I understand the logic in getting a supreme defender/high bpm guy and then hoping they could shoot but man that's tough for this team. How are you going to play Scottie, Ingram, CMB, Poeltl together?

I don't know about you guys but for me I'm hoping #9 is at least a starter within 2-3 years. It's fine if its a super role player ceiling but I at least want a starter here.

And I get the premise of BPA, but I dont know how to measure CMB. The lack of size and shot is worrisome when you think long term for this club.

If you guys think Mogbo had trouble scoring last year, CMB will be right there with him and we just drafted Mogbo.

CMB just doesn't make any sense on multiple levels and I've given up trying to understand why people want him.

He's a very good baketball player that impacts the game on many levels, he's the most impactful prospect on/off the floor for his team, he's tough, high IQ, impactful defender, very good passer, process the game at a high level, can guard multiple positions...i mean there's a lot to like and the only real issue is the shot.

..and the comparison with Mogbo doesn't make sense, they're not the same player at all and no he would not have trouble scoring like Mogbo either, he's a much bebtter finisher around the basket and his offensive game is so much more advanced.

[OhCanada]

If a guy like Kalkbrenner does not go in the top 20 of this draft because he is 23 years old its because the NBA people are wrong. There wont be 20 plAyers better than him, not now not in 10 years. He is probably a top 5 NBA ready player in the draft.

[Grew]

If a guy like Kalkbrenner does not go in the top 20 of this draft because he is 23 years old its because the NBA people are wrong. There wont be 20 plAyers better than him, not now not in 10 years. He is probably a top 5 NBA ready player in the draft.

Ryan, is that you or your dad?

[dTox]

What.a.game.

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[grant101]

Ya, like Markovic may be a taller Nikola Jovic. Ooooh, he's like a shorter Zvonimir but is quicker and has the handles of a SF. He has a slow but effective crossover for use against bigs. Has a hesi too. He can already hit the Euro 3 at 37%.

Maybe he's a taller Matas Buzelis?

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I can see Utah trading #5 for #8 and #19.

#8 Kon Knueppel or if gone, then Egor Demin
#19 Danny Wolf
#21 Bogoljub Markovic

Markovic isn't getting much attention. Being mocked in the mid-2nd round everywhere.

Three of the guys I'd target are international players (Essengue, Yang, Markovic). If we can't get a C in the 1st round, we need to hope that a decent C is available with the 2nd...a couple I like - Kalk, Beringer - will probably be off the board by then

If we can get an additional low to mid 2nd, Milos Uzan I think is a good value pick

Masai needs to work his magic for those extra picks..gonna be expensive in this draft.

If we get one of Yang, Markovic, Lendeburg or Broome in the 2nd that’s a HUGE win.

[Raptorfan2012]

Ya, like Markovic may be a taller Nikola Jovic. Ooooh, he's like a shorter Zvonimir but is quicker and has the handles of a SF. He has a slow but effective crossover for use against bigs. Has a hesi too. He can already hit the Euro 3 at 37%.

Maybe he's a taller Matas Buzelis?

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I can see Utah trading #5 for #8 and #19.

#8 Kon Knueppel or if gone, then Egor Demin
#19 Danny Wolf
#21 Bogoljub Markovic

Markovic isn't getting much attention. Being mocked in the mid-2nd round everywhere.

Three of the guys I'd target are international players (Essengue, Yang, Markovic). If we can't get a C in the 1st round, we need to hope that a decent C is available with the 2nd...a couple I like - Kalk, Beringer - will probably be off the board by then

If we can get an additional low to mid 2nd, Milos Uzan I think is a good value pick

Masai needs to work his magic for those extra picks..gonna be expensive in this draft.

If we get one of Yang, Markovic, Lendeburg or Broome in the 2nd that’s a HUGE win.

Yang is going in the first round.

[Raptorfan2012]

Did we bother sending anyone to Klutch Pro Day? Saw their video online but didn’t see Masai or Bobby there..

[Tripod]

So...did every 3+D guy just see their value rise after tonight's game?

Lol

[Mark_83]

If a guy like Kalkbrenner does not go in the top 20 of this draft because he is 23 years old its because the NBA people are wrong. There wont be 20 plAyers better than him, not now not in 10 years. He is probably a top 5 NBA ready player in the draft.

That's a bit high for me, but I think he's an NBA player. I'd take him at Portland's pick if he's there.

[OhCanada]

If a guy like Kalkbrenner does not go in the top 20 of this draft because he is 23 years old its because the NBA people are wrong. There wont be 20 plAyers better than him, not now not in 10 years. He is probably a top 5 NBA ready player in the draft.

That's a bit high for me, but I think he's an NBA player. I'd take him at Portland's pick if he's there.

7'2, 7'6 wingspan, 9'11 standing reach but was able to play 35 minutes per game. two to one block to foul ratio. 2.7 blocks to 1.4 fouls. The guy doesn't foul. 4 time defensive player of the year in the big east. So if hes not quick enough then why didnt they expose him, how didnt he get in foul trouble. Check this out rounding everyones numbers up per 36 minutes.

Kalkabrenner 34.5 mpg (Per 36) 2.8 BLK 1.5 PF
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Yang 33 mpg (per 36) 3.0 BLK 3.4 PF
Sorber 31.5 mpg (Per 36) 2.3 BLK 2.5 PF (Also in the Big East)
Broome 30 mpg (Per 36) 2.5 BLK 2.5 PF
Konan Niederhauser 25 mpg (Per 36) 3.3 BLK 3.0 PF
Condon 25 mpg (per 36) 1.9 BLK 3.3 PF
Amari Williams 23 mpg (Per 36) 1.9 BLK 3.5 PF
Mo Faye 21 mpg (per 36) 2.5 BLK 4.9 PF
Maluach 21 mpg (Per 36) 2.2 BLK 3.5 PF
Beringer 18 mpg (Per 36) 2.7 BLK 4.6 PF
Zikarsky 12 mpg (Per 36) 2.1 BLK 3.9 PF

[XTC]

So...did every 3+D guy just see their value rise after tonight's game?

Lol

The game plan for everyteam should be to load up with 3+D players. You can never have too many of these guys, look at Houston.

It's a huge reason why so many people want Fleming, Bryant, and Coward.

[Mark_83]

So...did every 3+D guy just see their value rise after tonight's game?

Lol

The game plan for everyteam should be to load up with 3+D players. You can never have too many of these guys, look at Houston.

It's a huge reason why so many people want Fleming, Bryant, and Coward.

But but but, what about self creation?

[XTC]

So...did every 3+D guy just see their value rise after tonight's game?

Lol

The game plan for everyteam should be to load up with 3+D players. You can never have too many of these guys, look at Houston.

It's a huge reason why so many people want Fleming, Bryant, and Coward.

But but but, what about self creation?

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