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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#261 » by WaltFrazier » Thu May 22, 2025 4:05 am

Gravy wrote:Hit both of your free throws and the game is over. smh

We missed a bunch of free throws the whole second half which hurt
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#262 » by WargamesX » Thu May 22, 2025 4:06 am

KnixinSix wrote:Thibs subbing KAT to be on floor same time with Brunson up 14 with 3:44 left was the collosal mistake. It should have never got to having to make those free throws to keep the Pacers from tying it in the first place. Pacers already showed they were ready to cook that line up when they started the game a blistering 9 for 9. Why in the world is not Mitch your defensive closer in that situation is absolutely mind boggling. I said it the moment he made the substitution too. Mitch 100% needed to be the closer for the final 3:44. That was the biggest mistake of the game by far.

You are up 14 and Pacers were scoring in bunches every single time those 2 were out there together. Every. Single. Time. ANY coach with a true feel for the game that is actually happening in front of him and considering score and time left would NEVER bring in the two weakest defenders at that point (especially with how they were playing together).

I am not mad anymore but was caught up in the moment bc I SAW IT COMING. I posted it the moment he subbed in KAT to be out there with JB in that situation (up 14 with 3:44 left).

Pacers were no joke like 70%+ insane shooting with both Brun and KAT in together all game long. They had a plan vs that lineup and were absolutely smoking it.

A smart coach simply says, Im up 14 so I am not going to put my pure offensive lineup in there thats been clearly getting cooked but more of a defensive line up ESPECIALLY when the in game advanced analytics are showing a HUGE change in defensive rating with Mitch on the floor.

This is prolly going to get picked up on very soon by the smart analysts and there will be a bunch of posts about it

This is really good take too!! I thought the game switched when he took Mcbride out, but it might have been him putting on KAT and Brunson.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#263 » by Jeff Van Gully » Thu May 22, 2025 4:07 am

Pacers lost the choke gesture series. Just saying.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#264 » by whocares1 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:07 am

KnixinSix wrote:Thibs subbing KAT to be on floor same time with Brunson up 14 with 3:44 left was the collosal mistake. It should have never got to having to make those free throws to keep the Pacers from tying it in the first place. Pacers already showed they were ready to cook that line up when they started the game a blistering 9 for 9. Why in the world is not Mitch your defensive closer in that situation is absolutely mind boggling. I said it the moment he made the substitution too. Mitch 100% needed to be the closer for the final 3:44. That was the biggest mistake of the game by far.

You are up 14 and Pacers were scoring in bunches every single time those 2 were out there together. Every. Single. Time. ANY coach with a true feel for the game that is actually happening in front of him and considering score and time left would NEVER bring in the two weakest defenders at that point (especially with how they were playing together).

I am not mad anymore but was caught up in the moment bc I SAW IT COMING. I posted it the moment he subbed in KAT to be out there with JB in that situation (up 14 with 3:44 left).

Pacers were no joke like 70%+ insane shooting with both Brun and KAT in together all game long. They had a plan vs that lineup and were absolutely smoking it.

A smart coach simply says, Im up 14 so I am not going to put my pure offensive lineup in there thats been clearly getting cooked but more of a defensive line up ESPECIALLY when the in game advanced analytics are showing a HUGE change in defensive rating with Mitch on the floor.

This is prolly going to get picked up on very soon by the smart analysts and there will be a bunch of posts about it

A smart coach just tells players to switch on the screen when Nesmith made two in a row. OG’s reluctance to switch immediately was the problem. It isn’t deeper than that. Knicks escape with the win if they force Nesmith to miss.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#265 » by R-DAWG » Thu May 22, 2025 4:07 am

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#266 » by Bob Ross » Thu May 22, 2025 4:07 am

I know some of you say it's just one game, but I've seen this movie before over the last 30+ years. Pacers OKC finals. To think otherwise is to ignore recent and old history
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#267 » by The KnicksFix » Thu May 22, 2025 4:08 am

NiceLikeChrist wrote:Anyone who thinks pacers win this series is crazy. It’s unfortunate that making the finals will probably save thibs job and we’ll have him against next season but there’s no way we lose this.

I had us in 5 going in. Maybe 6 now after this miracle win they squeaked out


Exactly this
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Gave them nightmares and then Thibs got scared and had to change his tampon to bring back in a player with 5 fouls
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#268 » by WargamesX » Thu May 22, 2025 4:08 am

Bob Ross wrote:I know some of you say it's just one game, but I've seen this movie before over the last 30+ years. Pacers OKC finals. To think otherwise is to ignore recent and old history

No I think the Knicks are tougher than that. A lot of mistakes were made this game.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#269 » by KnixinSix » Thu May 22, 2025 4:08 am

Jay10 wrote:It took Thibodeau 6 games until his team started defending the 3 point line against the Celtics, and today he took players out the game that got the lead to 17 points for a player with 5 fouls. :lol:


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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#270 » by 2010 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:08 am

Another thing. I’m tired of that starting lineup. It needs to change but stubborn Thibs refuses to adjust.

They can’t defend and we start off almost every game facing a deficit.

What more evidence does Thibs need?
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Post#271 » by Red Vines » Thu May 22, 2025 4:09 am

TBH it was shocking the improbable way it happened, but I don't think anyone is surprised that we had a bad stretch of offense and defense which cost us the game. Up and down all year.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#272 » by WargamesX » Thu May 22, 2025 4:09 am

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KnixinSix wrote:Thibs subbing KAT to be on floor same time with Brunson up 14 with 3:44 left was the collosal mistake. It should have never got to having to make those free throws to keep the Pacers from tying it in the first place. Pacers already showed they were ready to cook that line up when they started the game a blistering 9 for 9. Why in the world is not Mitch your defensive closer in that situation is absolutely mind boggling. I said it the moment he made the substitution too. Mitch 100% needed to be the closer for the final 3:44. That was the biggest mistake of the game by far.

You are up 14 and Pacers were scoring in bunches every single time those 2 were out there together. Every. Single. Time. ANY coach with a true feel for the game that is actually happening in front of him and considering score and time left would NEVER bring in the two weakest defenders at that point (especially with how they were playing together).

I am not mad anymore but was caught up in the moment bc I SAW IT COMING. I posted it the moment he subbed in KAT to be out there with JB in that situation (up 14 with 3:44 left).

Pacers were no joke like 70%+ insane shooting with both Brun and KAT in together all game long. They had a plan vs that lineup and were absolutely smoking it.

A smart coach simply says, Im up 14 so I am not going to put my pure offensive lineup in there thats been clearly getting cooked but more of a defensive line up ESPECIALLY when the in game advanced analytics are showing a HUGE change in defensive rating with Mitch on the floor.

This is prolly going to get picked up on very soon by the smart analysts and there will be a bunch of posts about it

A smart coach just tells players to switch on the screen when Nesmith made two in a row. OG’s reluctance to switch immediately was the problem. It isn’t deeper than that. Knicks escape with the win if they force Nesmith to miss.

They were playing a lot of drop coverage. Honestly I wonder if the plan was to out score the pacers, cause that was a stupid plan.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#273 » by KnixinSix » Thu May 22, 2025 4:10 am

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KnixinSix wrote:Thibs subbing KAT to be on floor same time with Brunson up 14 with 3:44 left was the collosal mistake. It should have never got to having to make those free throws to keep the Pacers from tying it in the first place. Pacers already showed they were ready to cook that line up when they started the game a blistering 9 for 9. Why in the world is not Mitch your defensive closer in that situation is absolutely mind boggling. I said it the moment he made the substitution too. Mitch 100% needed to be the closer for the final 3:44. That was the biggest mistake of the game by far.

You are up 14 and Pacers were scoring in bunches every single time those 2 were out there together. Every. Single. Time. ANY coach with a true feel for the game that is actually happening in front of him and considering score and time left would NEVER bring in the two weakest defenders at that point (especially with how they were playing together).

I am not mad anymore but was caught up in the moment bc I SAW IT COMING. I posted it the moment he subbed in KAT to be out there with JB in that situation (up 14 with 3:44 left).

Pacers were no joke like 70%+ insane shooting with both Brun and KAT in together all game long. They had a plan vs that lineup and were absolutely smoking it.

A smart coach simply says, Im up 14 so I am not going to put my pure offensive lineup in there thats been clearly getting cooked but more of a defensive line up ESPECIALLY when the in game advanced analytics are showing a HUGE change in defensive rating with Mitch on the floor.

This is prolly going to get picked up on very soon by the smart analysts and there will be a bunch of posts about it

A smart coach just tells players to switch on the screen when Nesmith made two in a row. OG’s reluctance to switch immediately was the problem. It isn’t deeper than that. Knicks escape with the win if they force Nesmith to miss.


Likely never even gets to that point if he doesnt have the two weakest defenders on the team out there at the same time for a situation that was screaming for a better defensive line up (i.e up 14 with 3:44 left)
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#274 » by dakomish23 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:11 am

Bob Ross wrote:I know some of you say it's just one game, but I've seen this movie before over the last 30+ years. Pacers OKC finals. To think otherwise is to ignore recent and old history


I’m not there yet. At least 144 mins of basketball to be played.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#275 » by The KnicksFix » Thu May 22, 2025 4:11 am

2010 wrote:Another thing. I’m tired of that starting lineup. It needs to change but stubborn Thibs refuses to adjust.

They can’t defend and we start off almost every game facing a deficit.

What more evidence does Thibs need?


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Post#276 » by R-DAWG » Thu May 22, 2025 4:12 am

2010 wrote:Another thing. I’m tired of that starting lineup. It needs to change but stubborn Thibs refuses to adjust.

They can’t defend and we start off almost every game facing a deficit.

What more evidence does Thibs need?


I’ve been saying all year the 3 wings are redundant and the guys look gassed. Precious should be starting and eating 5-6 minutes at the start of each half.

But this roster is just too thin. It desperately lacks another shot creator.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#277 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:12 am

2010 wrote:Another thing. I’m tired of that starting lineup. It needs to change but stubborn Thibs refuses to adjust.

They can’t defend and we start off almost every game facing a deficit.

What more evidence does Thibs need?


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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#278 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 4:13 am

When JB went out we dominated

No way that team blows the lead but Thibs cares more about his dumbass principles than winning

Send him and his petty rules packing … but even then I’m out personally
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#279 » by R-DAWG » Thu May 22, 2025 4:14 am

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2010 wrote:Another thing. I’m tired of that starting lineup. It needs to change but stubborn Thibs refuses to adjust.

They can’t defend and we start off almost every game facing a deficit.

What more evidence does Thibs need?


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We gave up 5 firsts for one wing. Gave up another first for another wing. And gave the third guys a (basically) max contract. And they can’t defend.

It’s so apparent how these guys are redundant and two of the three are always playing out of position. You never have all 3 having strong games at the same time.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#280 » by Context » Thu May 22, 2025 4:14 am

I want the Knicks to embarrass Indy.
I will say this- watching their post game interviews they look more annoyed than pissed. They also look level headed too. Still dont know If I want to watch game 2 just because I'm pissed that they took the last 2 minutes for granted and we had to suffer.
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