The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Purdy comes in 11th, which seems fair. Definitely some room to quibble with guys both above and below him.

The other two in his tier - both ranked ahead of him - raise some eyebrows: Goff and Geno Smith. I get Goff at this point. Put him behind that OL and he's really good. He's come up short in the big moments, but how much of that has been him? He played well enough to beat us in the NFC Championship game, even if he didn't put them over the top when he had the chance to. Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Along those lines, he's younger, but I just don't get the Justin Herbert love. He's super talented and has put up some crazy numbers during the regular season. But he's got to be one of the least clutch QBs in the game. In two playoff appearances, he managed to lose to the Jags when Lawrence threw four INTs and then completely folded this year against the Texans to the tune of 44% completions, four INTs, four sacks, 40.9 passer rating, and 12.8 QBR. How can a guy coming off that game with no playoff wins even rank in the top-16?

On the flip side, you could certainly see arguments (and lord knows we have on this board) that CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak, Lawrence, etc. are better than Purdy.

[vvoland]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Purdy comes in 11th, which seems fair. Definitely some room to quibble with guys both above and below him.

The other two in his tier - both ranked ahead of him - raise some eyebrows: Goff and Geno Smith. I get Goff at this point. Put him behind that OL and he's really good. He's come up short in the big moments, but how much of that has been him? He played well enough to beat us in the NFC Championship game, even if he didn't put them over the top when he had the chance to. Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Along those lines, he's younger, but I just don't get the Justin Herbert love. He's super talented and has put up some crazy numbers during the regular season. But he's got to be one of the least clutch QBs in the game. In two playoff appearances, he managed to lose to the Jags when Lawrence threw four INTs and then completely folded this year against the Texans to the tune of 44% completions, four INTs, four sacks, 40.9 passer rating, and 12.8 QBR. How can a guy coming off that game with no playoff wins even rank in the top-16?

On the flip side, you could certainly see arguments (and lord knows we have on this board) that CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak, Lawrence, etc. are better than Purdy.

I wonder if there are any niner fans that would trade Brock (and his current contract) for Love, Dak, Lawrence, Geno, or Goff. By contrast, I think everyone but Green Bay fans would trade one of the above QBs for Brock. Considering they all make more/as much as Purdy, I'm talking just talent/winning/etc and not money.

[Cactus Jack]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Let me start by saying that I've been a steadfast Geno supporter. The Football nerds (PFF) are much higher on him than the casual fan tbf.

The biggest thing that has plagued him are the turnover worthy plays. Which is legit. But he's also been incredibly clutch late in games despite what some fans think of him. He leads the league in 4th Quarter comebacks since becoming a full time starter. As well as being on the good end of a lot of advanced stats. That's why PFF seemingly likes him.

I will also say that he didn't have the best circumstances around him at times in Seattle. The coordinators & schemes (Waldron & Grubb) did not do him a ton of favors here. Ryan Grubb, the former UW OC, who now is at Alabama, essentially ran a college offense last season & didn't have a clue how to mix run & pass successfully on a consistent basis. Geno was at or near the top in passing attempts/drop backs. That's why you saw an increase in the amount of turnovers. They we're an awful red zone offense. Mainly due to the scheme & the overall lack of a run game.

Shane Waldron was not a good OC. That was backed up by what we saw this past season in Chicago. But Ryan Grubb was far worse. Prior to last season, I never thought I would say that. The offense was so dysfunctional that Mike Macdonald wanted to fire Grubb during their bye week.

That's why I'm not a big fan of the Geno to Darnold switch. If put in the right situation, Geno>>Darnold.

Geno should also be much better playing indoors for half of his games.

I understand it from the organizations standpoint. Geno was Pete's guy. But I'm also not a huge Darnold believer.

[CrimsonCrew]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Let me start by saying that I've been a steadfast Geno supporter. The Football nerds (PFF) are much higher on him than the casual fan tbf.

The biggest thing that has plagued him are the turnover worthy plays. Which is legit. But he's also been incredibly clutch late in games despite what some fans think of him. He leads the league in 4th Quarter comebacks since becoming a full time starter. As well as being on the good end of a lot of advanced stats. That's why PFF seemingly likes him.

I will also say that he didn't have the best circumstances around him at times in Seattle. The coordinators & schemes (Waldron & Grubb) did not do him a ton of favors here. Ryan Grubb, the former UW OC, who now is at Alabama, essentially ran a college offense last season & didn't have a clue how to mix run & pass successfully on a consistent basis. Geno was at or near the top in passing attempts/drop backs. That's why you saw an increase in the amount of turnovers. They we're an awful red zone offense. Mainly due to the scheme & the overall lack of a run game.

Shane Waldron was not a good OC. That was backed up by what we saw this past season in Chicago. But Ryan Grubb was far worse. Prior to last season, I never thought I would say that. The offense was so dysfunctional that Mike Macdonald wanted to fire Grubb during their bye week.

That's why I'm not a big fan of the Geno to Darnold switch. If put in the right situation, Geno>>Darnold.

Geno should also be much better playing indoors for half of his games. Fwiw when he's played in a dome his numbers are very good. Like top 5 QB good.

I understand it from the organizations standpoint. Geno was Pete's guy. But I'm also not a huge Darnold believer.

Sure, totally get that Geno is a lot better than the perception of him. And it can be hard to really evaluate QBs based on how dependent they are on circumstances like scheme and supporting cast. Reid and Mahomes have benefitted tremendously from one another, and without that pairing lasting so long, probably both would have suffered.

Having said that, ultimately his team's outcomes are central to a QB's value. Mahomes isn't an elite QB based on the metrics the past few years, but in the clutch, there's no one else you'd want running your offense. And Geno may have had plenty of clutch moments, but if he hasn't won a playoff game in twelve seasons of NFL football, I think it's really hard to rank him in the top-10.

[Cactus Jack]

Sure, totally get that Geno is a lot better than the perception of him. And it can be hard to really evaluate QBs based on how dependent they are on circumstances like scheme and supporting cast. Reid and Mahomes have benefitted tremendously from one another, and without that pairing lasting so long, probably both would have suffered.

Having said that, ultimately his team's outcomes are central to a QB's value. Mahomes isn't an elite QB based on the metrics the past few years, but in the clutch, there's no one else you'd want running your offense. And Geno may have had plenty of clutch moments, but if he hasn't won a playoff game in twelve seasons of NFL football, I think it's really hard to rank him in the top-10.

I wouldn't rank him top 10 myself. But I see why sites like PFF are higher on him than the average fan. Having watched him as a starter for the last 3 years. He's not perfect. But there's also a lot to like about his game.

TBH I think it's hard to judge a QB simply based on postseason success. In Geno's case he was a backup for a good chunk of that time. He only started two years for the Jets. Then had to sit & not play.

The Hawks have also not had a great roster. The defense specifically was near the bottom of the league in Pete's final 2 years with Geno as the starter. From 2021-'23, the defense was downright bad for the most part under Carroll. Some of that was due to roster limitations but also due to scheme.

In 2024, they finished as a top 12 defense (Macdonald). But because of the Grubb hire, the offense was completely dysfunctional for a good portion of the season.

So, you've had roster & coaching issues really since he became the full time starter in Seattle. Prior to that, he never got a real opportunity to start. He got labeled a bust after his time with the Jets. Which forced him to be a backup.

[CrimsonCrew]

I wouldn't rank him top 10 myself. But I see why sites like PFF are higher on him than the average fan. Having watched him as a starter for the last 3 years. He's not perfect. But there's also a lot to like about his game.

TBH I think it's hard to judge a QB simply based on postseason success. In Geno's case he was a backup for a good chunk of that time. He only started two years for the Jets. Than had to sit & not play.

The Hawks have also not had a great roster. The defense specifically was near the bottom of the league in Pete's final 2 years with Geno as the starter. From 2021-'23, the defense was downright bad under Carroll. Some of that was due to roster limitations but also due to scheme.

In 2024, they finished as a top 12 defense (Macdonald). But because of the Grubb hire, the offense was completely dysfunctional for a good portion of the season.

So, you've had roster & coaching issues really since he became the full time starter in Seattle. Prior to that, he never got a real opportunity to start. He got labeled a bust after his time with the Jets. Which forced him to be a backup.

Not judging solely on postseasons success, of course. I don't think anyone would take Garoppolo over him. But it is an important factor in an overall QB ranking. Admittedly, Geno presents a very strange case as a top-10 QB given the years he rode the bench. Closest comparison who is even in the top-16 discussion might be Baker Mayfield, and he still started 12 games when he was at least nominally a backup. And I guess we'll see what happens with Darnold going forward. Maybe Trey Lance will be in for a late-career resurgence at some point???

[Cactus Jack]

I wouldn't rank him top 10 myself. But I see why sites like PFF are higher on him than the average fan. Having watched him as a starter for the last 3 years. He's not perfect. But there's also a lot to like about his game.

TBH I think it's hard to judge a QB simply based on postseason success. In Geno's case he was a backup for a good chunk of that time. He only started two years for the Jets. Than had to sit & not play.

The Hawks have also not had a great roster. The defense specifically was near the bottom of the league in Pete's final 2 years with Geno as the starter. From 2021-'23, the defense was downright bad under Carroll. Some of that was due to roster limitations but also due to scheme.

In 2024, they finished as a top 12 defense (Macdonald). But because of the Grubb hire, the offense was completely dysfunctional for a good portion of the season.

So, you've had roster & coaching issues really since he became the full time starter in Seattle. Prior to that, he never got a real opportunity to start. He got labeled a bust after his time with the Jets. Which forced him to be a backup.

Not judging solely on postseasons success, of course. I don't think anyone would take Garoppolo over him. But it is an important factor in an overall QB ranking. Admittedly, Geno presents a very strange case as a top-10 QB given the years he rode the bench. Closest comparison who is even in the top-16 discussion might be Baker Mayfield, and he still started 12 games when he was at least nominally a backup. And I guess we'll see what happens with Darnold going forward. Maybe Trey Lance will be in for a late-career resurgence at some point???

In my eyes Geno is solidly a top 15 QB. Given his play the last 3 years. Darnold's future as you mention is still TBD. Will he regress without Kevin O'Connell? That's a legit concern. Also, why they didn't really commit themselves to him long-term.

[arich35]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Purdy comes in 11th, which seems fair. Definitely some room to quibble with guys both above and below him.

The other two in his tier - both ranked ahead of him - raise some eyebrows: Goff and Geno Smith. I get Goff at this point. Put him behind that OL and he's really good. He's come up short in the big moments, but how much of that has been him? He played well enough to beat us in the NFC Championship game, even if he didn't put them over the top when he had the chance to. Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Along those lines, he's younger, but I just don't get the Justin Herbert love. He's super talented and has put up some crazy numbers during the regular season. But he's got to be one of the least clutch QBs in the game. In two playoff appearances, he managed to lose to the Jags when Lawrence threw four INTs and then completely folded this year against the Texans to the tune of 44% completions, four INTs, four sacks, 40.9 passer rating, and 12.8 QBR. How can a guy coming off that game with no playoff wins even rank in the top-16?

On the flip side, you could certainly see arguments (and lord knows we have on this board) that CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak, Lawrence, etc. are better than Purdy.

I wonder if there are any niner fans that would trade Brock (and his current contract) for Love, Dak, Lawrence, Geno, or Goff. By contrast, I think everyone but Green Bay fans would trade one of the above QBs for Brock. Considering they all make more/as much as Purdy, I'm talking just talent/winning/etc and not money.

I wouldn't take Dak, Lawrence, Geno, Goff, or Smith over Purdy. Love is more of a toss up but I am not sure

[Pattersonca65]

Contract details

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/191315-purdys-contract-extension-year-by-year-breakdown/

[Jikkle]

I wouldn't rank him top 10 myself. But I see why sites like PFF are higher on him than the average fan. Having watched him as a starter for the last 3 years. He's not perfect. But there's also a lot to like about his game.

TBH I think it's hard to judge a QB simply based on postseason success. In Geno's case he was a backup for a good chunk of that time. He only started two years for the Jets. Than had to sit & not play.

The Hawks have also not had a great roster. The defense specifically was near the bottom of the league in Pete's final 2 years with Geno as the starter. From 2021-'23, the defense was downright bad under Carroll. Some of that was due to roster limitations but also due to scheme.

In 2024, they finished as a top 12 defense (Macdonald). But because of the Grubb hire, the offense was completely dysfunctional for a good portion of the season.

So, you've had roster & coaching issues really since he became the full time starter in Seattle. Prior to that, he never got a real opportunity to start. He got labeled a bust after his time with the Jets. Which forced him to be a backup.

Not judging solely on postseasons success, of course. I don't think anyone would take Garoppolo over him. But it is an important factor in an overall QB ranking. Admittedly, Geno presents a very strange case as a top-10 QB given the years he rode the bench. Closest comparison who is even in the top-16 discussion might be Baker Mayfield, and he still started 12 games when he was at least nominally a backup. And I guess we'll see what happens with Darnold going forward. Maybe Trey Lance will be in for a late-career resurgence at some point???

In my eyes Geno is solidly a top 15 QB. Given his play the last 3 years. Darnold's future as you mention is still TBD. Will he regress without Kevin O'Connell? That's a legit concern. Also, why they didn't really commit themselves to him long-term.

I'd put Geno in that 10-15 range.

Geno's problem is the extreme peaks and valleys he has. He has stretches where he looks like a top 5 QB and he has stretches where he looks like he should be a 3rd stringer. He comes in clutch about as many times as he chokes or meltdowns.

[Cactus Jack]

Not judging solely on postseasons success, of course. I don't think anyone would take Garoppolo over him. But it is an important factor in an overall QB ranking. Admittedly, Geno presents a very strange case as a top-10 QB given the years he rode the bench. Closest comparison who is even in the top-16 discussion might be Baker Mayfield, and he still started 12 games when he was at least nominally a backup. And I guess we'll see what happens with Darnold going forward. Maybe Trey Lance will be in for a late-career resurgence at some point???

In my eyes Geno is solidly a top 15 QB. Given his play the last 3 years. Darnold's future as you mention is still TBD. Will he regress without Kevin O'Connell? That's a legit concern. Also, why they didn't really commit themselves to him long-term.

I'd put Geno in that 10-15 range.

Geno's problem is the extreme peaks and valleys he has. He has stretches where he looks like a top 5 QB and he has stretches where he looks like he should be a 3rd stringer. He comes in clutch about as many times as he chokes or meltdowns.

That's fair. He struggles with consistency. That's been my biggest issue with him as well. He struggles to maintain his emotions at times & stay level headed. He can lose his cool & be his own worst enemy. That's been my take anyway.

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[Jikkle]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Purdy comes in 11th, which seems fair. Definitely some room to quibble with guys both above and below him.

The other two in his tier - both ranked ahead of him - raise some eyebrows: Goff and Geno Smith. I get Goff at this point. Put him behind that OL and he's really good. He's come up short in the big moments, but how much of that has been him? He played well enough to beat us in the NFC Championship game, even if he didn't put them over the top when he had the chance to. Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Along those lines, he's younger, but I just don't get the Justin Herbert love. He's super talented and has put up some crazy numbers during the regular season. But he's got to be one of the least clutch QBs in the game. In two playoff appearances, he managed to lose to the Jags when Lawrence threw four INTs and then completely folded this year against the Texans to the tune of 44% completions, four INTs, four sacks, 40.9 passer rating, and 12.8 QBR. How can a guy coming off that game with no playoff wins even rank in the top-16?

On the flip side, you could certainly see arguments (and lord knows we have on this board) that CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak, Lawrence, etc. are better than Purdy.

Hurts at #5 is probably the worst one I see on this list. Goff is overrated as well.

This is what gets me. Purdy gets constantly hammered for supposedly being surrounded by talent but Hurts and Goff don't? Both Hurts and Goff play behind the best offensive lines in the league and are loaded with talent with talented OCs (except 2023 for Hurts). Both QBs have had a history of poor play when the circumstances around them are less than ideal.

Purdy is apparently nothing without CMC but I'm supposed to believe that Barkley being the best RB in the league last year had no impact on Hurts play at all?

Look there are plenty of legit criticism to be levied against Purdy but I just get so tired of the talent argument because it only seems to get applied to him and it completely ignores the offensive line which has always been a bad pass-blocking unit.

[CrimsonCrew]

PFF QB rankings:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2025-nfl-season

Purdy comes in 11th, which seems fair. Definitely some room to quibble with guys both above and below him.

The other two in his tier - both ranked ahead of him - raise some eyebrows: Goff and Geno Smith. I get Goff at this point. Put him behind that OL and he's really good. He's come up short in the big moments, but how much of that has been him? He played well enough to beat us in the NFC Championship game, even if he didn't put them over the top when he had the chance to. Geno...I don't know about that one. I know the metrics have been surprisingly good over the past couple years, but I don't think a guy who hasn't won a playoff game by age 34 should be top-10 regardless of his recent numbers.

Along those lines, he's younger, but I just don't get the Justin Herbert love. He's super talented and has put up some crazy numbers during the regular season. But he's got to be one of the least clutch QBs in the game. In two playoff appearances, he managed to lose to the Jags when Lawrence threw four INTs and then completely folded this year against the Texans to the tune of 44% completions, four INTs, four sacks, 40.9 passer rating, and 12.8 QBR. How can a guy coming off that game with no playoff wins even rank in the top-16?

On the flip side, you could certainly see arguments (and lord knows we have on this board) that CJ Stroud, Jordan Love, Dak, Lawrence, etc. are better than Purdy.

Hurts at #5 is probably the worst one I see on this list. Goff is overrated as well.

This is what gets me. Purdy gets constantly hammered for supposedly being surrounded by talent but Hurts and Goff don't? Both Hurts and Goff play behind the best offensive lines in the league and are loaded with talent with talented OCs (except 2023 for Hurts). Both QBs have had a history of poor play when the circumstances around them are less than ideal.

Purdy is apparently nothing without CMC but I'm supposed to believe that Barkley being the best RB in the league last year had no impact on Hurts play at all?

Look there are plenty of legit criticism to be levied against Purdy but I just get so tired of the talent argument because it only seems to get applied to him and it completely ignores the offensive line which has always been a bad pass-blocking unit.

Largely agreed. Goff is really good if everything goes according to plan, but he needs that great OL protecting him. Purdy is much better at playing under pressure and off-the-cuff, and I think that's an underrated ability. Sure, you want the guy who can execute within structure as well (I think Hurts struggles with that to an extent), but it's hard for the guy who requires structure to go the distance. That's why I'd lean Purdy over Goff even though, if all goes according to plan, Goff has the higher upside due to his better arm and accuracy.

[CharityStripe34]

Eh, who cares about the rankings. A lot of the perception of players is still, for whatever reason, based on their draft status/college pedigree.

[CrimsonCrew]

I came across this yesterday from CBS's Jeff Kerr and I went ahead and checked it because I found it quite surprising:

"They decided to pay Purdy significantly more than what he's worth. When Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, and George Kittle all played, Purdy was 17-4 and threw 38 touchdowns to just eight interceptions. In any other game, Purdy was 10-11 with 30 touchdowns to 18 interceptions -- a significant drop off.

I doubted the numbers, but when I crunched them, I actually came up with slightly worse numbers for Purdy (19-4 with all those guys and I think 9-11 without). That said, I think those raw numbers are pretty skewed. In 2022 and 2023, he went 3-2 without one of those guys (he also lost the Browns game in which Trent and Deebo got hurt, though we missed what should have been a game-winning FG). Then we had last season when Purdy went 6-9. At no point did he have all of those guys playing at the same time, so the entire season falls into that metric and really skews the numbers.

I find last season to be a problematic analog for several reasons. First, although one of those guys was missing in every game, multiple players were missing in many of them. CMC only played four games - only had seven carries and two receptions in his last game - and wasn't himself when he was playing. Aiyuk only played seven games - really six and a bit of the seventh - and wasn't for most of that stretch. Trent missed the last seven games. Deebo and Kittle stayed mostly healthy, missing three Purdy games combined. Purdy ended the season 1-5 missing not just one of these players, but missing CMC, Aiyuk, and Trent. Losing Trent appears to have been the real death knell, as we went 1-7 after he went down.

Second, having impact players on the roster go down with injury is very different from not having them at all. If you go into the season without a guy - as we are doing this offseason without Deebo - you have an opportunity to plan for it and find a replacement. You almost certainly don't have as good an option, but you have a serviceable option who has had camp and the season to prepare for the role. We lost impact players and had to scramble to replace them.

CMC and Trent were replaced by late-round picks/UDFAs who played well given the situation, but are at best middle-of-the-pack players. I like Mason and he played well on balance, but his vision is poor and Purdy never trusted him as a pass-catcher. I'm still far from sold on Guerendo, who also lacks vision and couldn't stay healthy. Moore played well at LT, but I think the Chiefs may regret giving him the contract they did. Kyle is pretty good at covering OL liabilities. But having a left side of the OL be Moore-Banks-Brendel was devastating. Our offense scored 17 or more points in each of the ten games with a healthy Trent. After he went down, we had four of seven games with 17 or fewer points (Purdy did not start one of those). Any team with a pass rush just brutalized us.

We were better-situated to replace Aiyuk, but Deebo can't be the #1 receiver. He's too easy to game plan for if he's the guy. You can put your second- or third-best corner on him in man coverage and he's basically eliminated from the gameplan. He couldn't beat MLBs in coverage last year. Pearsall obviously and understandably took time to round into form. I love Jennings and he did yeoman's work all season, but he shouldn't ever be the #1 guy.

The result - on offense - was that we were trotting out a bad OL, mediocre RBs, and mediocre receivers for most of the season. And the stats largely back that up. Our receivers were at or near the bottom of the league in separation last year. We ran well between the 20s, but were awful in the red zone. Couple the offensive shortcomings with a complete collapse by the defense - largely fueled by just horrendous playcalling - and I think it's really hard to say Purdy bears the blame for that. Certainly there were times when he needed to play better. I posted a few weeks ago about his performance late in close games and it simply wasn't good enough. But this defense couldn't stop anything late in games.

Anyway, overly long post, but you can sum it up with this: Purdy probably isn't as good as the results looked in 2023, but he's not as bad as they looked in 2024. I have some real concerns about the contract we just signed him to, but too many people are taking low-hanging fruit on this.

[Jikkle]

I came across this yesterday from CBS's Jeff Kerr and I went ahead and checked it because I found it quite surprising:

"They decided to pay Purdy significantly more than what he's worth. When Christian McCaffrey, Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, and George Kittle all played, Purdy was 17-4 and threw 38 touchdowns to just eight interceptions. In any other game, Purdy was 10-11 with 30 touchdowns to 18 interceptions -- a significant drop off.

I doubted the numbers, but when I crunched them, I actually came up with slightly worse numbers for Purdy (19-4 with all those guys and I think 9-11 without). That said, I think those raw numbers are pretty skewed. In 2022 and 2023, he went 3-2 without one of those guys (he also lost the Browns game in which Trent and Deebo got hurt, though we missed what should have been a game-winning FG). Then we had last season when Purdy went 6-9. At no point did he have all of those guys playing at the same time, so the entire season falls into that metric and really skews the numbers.

I find last season to be a problematic analog for several reasons. First, although one of those guys was missing in every game, multiple players were missing in many of them. CMC only played four games - only had seven carries and two receptions in his last game - and wasn't himself when he was playing. Aiyuk only played seven games - really six and a bit of the seventh - and wasn't for most of that stretch. Trent missed the last seven games. Deebo and Kittle stayed mostly healthy, missing three Purdy games combined. Purdy ended the season 1-5 missing not just one of these players, but missing CMC, Aiyuk, and Trent. Losing Trent appears to have been the real death knell, as we went 1-7 after he went down.

Second, having impact players on the roster go down with injury is very different from not having them at all. If you go into the season without a guy - as we are doing this offseason without Deebo - you have an opportunity to plan for it and find a replacement. You almost certainly don't have as good an option, but you have a serviceable option who has had camp and the season to prepare for the role. We lost impact players and had to scramble to replace them.

CMC and Trent were replaced by late-round picks/UDFAs who played well given the situation, but are at best middle-of-the-pack players. I like Mason and he played well on balance, but his vision is poor and Purdy never trusted him as a pass-catcher. I'm still far from sold on Guerendo, who also lacks vision and couldn't stay healthy. Moore played well at LT, but I think the Chiefs may regret giving him the contract they did. Kyle is pretty good at covering OL liabilities. But having a left side of the OL be Moore-Banks-Brendel was devastating. Our offense scored 17 or more points in each of the ten games with a healthy Trent. After he went down, we had four of seven games with 17 or fewer points (Purdy did not start one of those). Any team with a pass rush just brutalized us.

We were better-situated to replace Aiyuk, but Deebo can't be the #1 receiver. He's too easy to game plan for if he's the guy. You can put your second- or third-best corner on him in man coverage and he's basically eliminated from the gameplan. He couldn't beat MLBs in coverage last year. Pearsall obviously and understandably took time to round into form. I love Jennings and he did yeoman's work all season, but he shouldn't ever be the #1 guy.

The result - on offense - was that we were trotting out a bad OL, mediocre RBs, and mediocre receivers for most of the season. And the stats largely back that up. Our receivers were at or near the bottom of the league in separation last year. We ran well between the 20s, but were awful in the red zone. Couple the offensive shortcomings with a complete collapse by the defense - largely fueled by just horrendous playcalling - and I think it's really hard to say Purdy bears the blame for that. Certainly there were times when he needed to play better. I posted a few weeks ago about his performance late in close games and it simply wasn't good enough. But this defense couldn't stop anything late in games.

Anyway, overly long post, but you can sum it up with this: Purdy probably isn't as good as the results looked in 2023, but he's not as bad as they looked in 2024. I have some real concerns about the contract we just signed him to, but too many people are taking low-hanging fruit on this.

It's a case of the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

The CBS analysis is just lazy because it's just looking at names and no critical analysis. 2024 CMC, Samuel, and Aiyuk when they were in there were nowhere near their 2023 versions. The only guy that didn't drop off was Kittle.

They also completely ignore the other side of the ball when it comes to defenses. The Chiefs had the 4th best defense in points allowed so that didn't have any impact on how many wins Patrick Mahomes had? The 9ers having the 29th best defense in points allowed didn't impact the wins Purdy had?

There are completely fair criticisms to put onto Purdy but he was probably towards the middle of the list of the problems the team had last season. I keep pointing out but Mahomes is an easy 1st ballot HOF and the best QB in the league but as we've seen this past Super Bowl the QB can only overcome so much.

[wco81]

Purdy doesn't have the arm talent nor is he as elusive as others as a ball carrier.

But he processes as well as most of the current QBs.

He can make some plays off schedule, such as those he made in the playoffs games a couple of seasons ago. He's not Josh Allen or Mahomes who can cause havoc on defenses outside the pocket. But there are maybe a handful of such QBs now.

Shanahan loves him probably because he is able to execute his offense at a high level, as designed. Honestly if he had an elite playmaker like Allen winning ton of games, he'd probably be unhappy that Allen isn't running his offense as designed often enough.

[vvoland]

Anyone know the dead cap on his contract, starting this summer? I heard something on the podcast circuit recently but not sure if it was correct. Made it seem like it was easy to trade/cut brock as soon as '27? If it's really a 3 year deal, this is an amazing contract.

[CrimsonCrew]

Purdy doesn't have the arm talent nor is he as elusive as others as a ball carrier.

But he processes as well as most of the current QBs.

He can make some plays off schedule, such as those he made in the playoffs games a couple of seasons ago. He's not Josh Allen or Mahomes who can cause havoc on defenses outside the pocket. But there are maybe a handful of such QBs now.

Shanahan loves him probably because he is able to execute his offense at a high level, as designed. Honestly if he had an elite playmaker like Allen winning ton of games, he'd probably be unhappy that Allen isn't running his offense as designed often enough.

I would say he processes as well as or better than most of the current QBs. He clearly processes better than a lot of the guys who are ranked ahead of him in the PFF list.

[CrimsonCrew]

Anyone know the dead cap on his contract, starting this summer? I heard something on the podcast circuit recently but not sure if it was correct. Made it seem like it was easy to trade/cut brock as soon as '27? If it's really a 3 year deal, this is an amazing contract.

We could cut him after 2027 for a fairly negligible dead cap hit ($16M) according to spotrac. Though as I understand it, a lot of the bonuses trigger a year before the season they're tied to.