PDX Offseason (ORL / CHA / BOS / NO)

[MartinsIzAfraud]

i do not see this as is ..do not see JI in deal...and need more money can not take on 13 plus mill more then sending out and do not want reath
and 16 is a bit much..kcp and 25...portland i think if do not want kcp extra yr can find expirings for him magic can add cash or 2nd if needed

I am very hesitant to believe any team takes on KCP for 2 years 22M AV for free or a few SRP. Which team does that? A older 3/D coming off a poor shooting season who was generally considered an overpay when he signed and was both younger and shooting much better.

I could see an argument for 25 bring fair compensation if Simons had 2 years as KCP does - even then it would be on the bubble. But as it stands trading the better, younger player AND taking on 22M in salary is not being alleviated by pick 25.

Idk why people think KCP is going to willingly opt out of 21M player option.. at the age of 33

[BlazersBroncos]

i do not see this as is ..do not see JI in deal...and need more money can not take on 13 plus mill more then sending out and do not want reath
and 16 is a bit much..kcp and 25...portland i think if do not want kcp extra yr can find expirings for him magic can add cash or 2nd if needed

I am very hesitant to believe any team takes on KCP for 2 years 22M AV for free or a few SRP. Which team does that? A older 3/D coming off a poor shooting season who was generally considered an overpay when he signed and was both younger and shooting much better.

I could see an argument for 25 bring fair compensation if Simons had 2 years as KCP does - even then it would be on the bubble. But as it stands trading the better, younger player AND taking on 22M in salary is not being alleviated by pick 25.

well its only 1 yr? expirings hello? simons makes 6 mill more next yr so how is that 2 yrs? kcp plays great d still and even in bad yr shot 35% from 3..no reason to think he can not hit 37 plus again next season...it is not like kcp is as bad at offense as simons is at defense

Wait your approaching the value of KCP as though he is going to turn down a 22M PO at age 33? I dont think we can find common ground on evaluating his value if thats your stance. There are few things regarding the NBA that I would bet on but if Vegas gave me odds on KCP turning down his PO I would throw a grand on it.

Thats like Blazers fans arguing that Jerami Grant actually only has 2 years left because the 3rd is a PO - and if we treated Grant as a 2 year contract guy other teams fans should, rightly, laugh in our faces.

[orlando_joe]

I am very hesitant to believe any team takes on KCP for 2 years 22M AV for free or a few SRP. Which team does that? A older 3/D coming off a poor shooting season who was generally considered an overpay when he signed and was both younger and shooting much better.

I could see an argument for 25 bring fair compensation if Simons had 2 years as KCP does - even then it would be on the bubble. But as it stands trading the better, younger player AND taking on 22M in salary is not being alleviated by pick 25.

well its only 1 yr? expirings hello? simons makes 6 mill more next yr so how is that 2 yrs? kcp plays great d still and even in bad yr shot 35% from 3..no reason to think he can not hit 37 plus again next season...it is not like kcp is as bad at offense as simons is at defense

Wait your approaching the value of KCP as though he is going to turn down a 22M PO at age 33? I dont think we can find common ground on evaluating his value if thats your stance. There are few things regarding the NBA that I would bet on but if Vegas gave me odds on KCP turning down his PO I would throw a grand on it.

Thats like Blazers fans arguing that Jerami Grant actually only has 2 years left because the 3rd is a PO - and if we treated Grant as a 2 year contract guy other teams fans should, rightly, laugh in our faces.

not at all saying trade kcp for the 28 mill back in expirings bad money...simons not getting portland a first without taking back unwanted money for a yr...so saying portland gets the expirings and sends kcp 5 mill cash and a 2nd from magic for expirings ... save 3rd team 6 mill next yr and get 5 mill with a 2nd ...so that team is getting playable vet saving 11 mill and getting a 2nd for his 2nd yr...
maybe no team bites? but maybe no team gives a first...i would go 16th pick no cash no 2nd if sure simons signs 20 a yr 3 yr extension

[JasonStern]

So much wrong with this. I hate when 4 trades get lumped together and half the roster gets turned over. That rarely, if ever, happens.

Let's just focus on Simons to Orlando.

Simons is a 25 year old 19.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 4.8 Ast, 42.6 FG% player.

https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm
Star Solid RoleP DeepB Bust DNP
5% 25% 30% 25% 15% 0%

In a vacuum, totally worth the #16 pick. Especially if your core is established and you don't have the need to "swing for the fences". But, it's not a vacuum.

He is who he is - an undersized but above average combo guard. I have called him a smaller Jamal Crawford for years. He is also on an expiring contract. If you are trading the #16 pick, you probably want at least a 2 year extension. You also don't want to overpay him due to the limitations of his game - lacks elite distribution skills you would hope from a point guard, while also being undersized when playing at the shooting guard position. He can get open and make shots, making him not an offensive liability at either position, but his ability to defend wing players is questionable. So, if there was some way to resign him for an additional 2 years at $20m/season or less, you jump at that. But, lock out times for negotiations makes that impossible. This makes trading for Simons a flight risk, which lowers his value.

Then, you have the issue of matching salaries. Taking back a bad contract would offset moving Simons. I don't view Isaac's contract as negative, but I don't view it as positive - injury concerns, low ceiling, etc. And at 27, while he could fit a rebuilding Blazers, he's kind of in that Timelord range. Orlando fans also seem to like the guy, so it's probably one of those "he means more to us than you" things.

I can kind of see it for both sides, but I feel like this is better as a trade deadline move if Orlando is over-performing and looking for a push. And something more like a Simons for Pope + Top 20 protected 2026 pick type of trade. Even then, I'd be lukewarm for Portland, as letting Simons walk frees up cap space, whereas taking on Pope adds long-term salary for a piece that doesn't fit.

[JasonStern]

Portland Trades
Robert Williams III to BOS
Kris Murray to CHA

Portland Receives
Jusuf Nurkic from CHA
#34 from CHA

This is just terrible for Portland. Timelord is expiring. While Murray is probably a bust, he's still young and on a rookie scale contract. Injury prone, past his prime Nurkic is 30, and taking his contract on - presuming he even wants to be on this ill thought out Blazers roster - ruins any chance of cap space after next season. And the selling point for Portland is a 2nd round pick? For a talented when healthy expiring and a young prospect? The Blazers would be better off declining Murray's team option after next season and letting Timelord walk than paying effectively $30M for a 2nd round pick.

[tester551]

Portland Trades
Robert Williams III to BOS
Kris Murray to CHA

Portland Receives
Jusuf Nurkic from CHA
#34 from CHA

This is just terrible for Portland. Timelord is expiring. While Murray is probably a bust, he's still young and on a rookie scale contract. Injury prone, past his prime Nurkic is 30, and taking his contract on - presuming he even wants to be on this ill thought out Blazers roster - ruins any chance of cap space after next season. And the selling point for Portland is a 2nd round pick? For a talented when healthy expiring and a young prospect? The Blazers would be better off declining Murray's team option after next season and letting Timelord walk than paying effectively $30M for a 2nd round pick.

What are you blabbering about?
Nurk is an expiring contract...

RWIii ($13M) + Murray ($3M) for Nurk ($19M)

Portland adds a total of $3M in 25/26 with no impact to any future salary cap

It's not hard to look up and double check what these player's contract are:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHO.html

[JasonStern]

TRADE 3

Portland Trades
DeAndre Ayton C

New Orleans Trades
CJ McCollum G

I see. Neil Olshey burner account. Trade for a 6'3" or smaller combo guard.
Honestly indifferent on this value-wise. Both are expiring contracts, so the effects just help or hurt draft odds.
Taking this in the grand picture, trading to get Nurkic and CJ back seems like copium.
Since this is part of some master plan, I'll presume your previous trades went through. So, now Portland is backing its big man play on a 21 year old Clingan and washed for years Nurkic. And in exchange we swapped Simons for CJ, even though they're basically the same player but with CJ being older and not a fit for a rebuilding roster.
And I know your plan has Orlando giving us #16 and Isaac. But, if that's on the table - why not just stop there?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

So much wrong with this. I hate when 4 trades get lumped together and half the roster gets turned over. That rarely, if ever, happens.

Let's just focus on Simons to Orlando.

Simons is a 25 year old 19.3 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 4.8 Ast, 42.6 FG% player.

https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm
Star Solid RoleP DeepB Bust DNP
5% 25% 30% 25% 15% 0%

In a vacuum, totally worth the #16 pick. Especially if your core is established and you don't have the need to "swing for the fences". But, it's not a vacuum.

He is who he is - an undersized but above average combo guard. I have called him a smaller Jamal Crawford for years. He is also on an expiring contract. If you are trading the #16 pick, you probably want at least a 2 year extension. You also don't want to overpay him due to the limitations of his game - lacks elite distribution skills you would hope from a point guard, while also being undersized when playing at the shooting guard position. He can get open and make shots, making him not an offensive liability at either position, but his ability to defend wing players is questionable. So, if there was some way to resign him for an additional 2 years at $20m/season or less, you jump at that. But, lock out times for negotiations makes that impossible. This makes trading for Simons a flight risk, which lowers his value.

Then, you have the issue of matching salaries. Taking back a bad contract would offset moving Simons. I don't view Isaac's contract as negative, but I don't view it as positive - injury concerns, low ceiling, etc. And at 27, while he could fit a rebuilding Blazers, he's kind of in that Timelord range. Orlando fans also seem to like the guy, so it's probably one of those "he means more to us than you" things.

I can kind of see it for both sides, but I feel like this is better as a trade deadline move if Orlando is over-performing and looking for a push. And something more like a Simons for Pope + Top 20 protected 2026 pick type of trade. Even then, I'd be lukewarm for Portland, as letting Simons walk frees up cap space, whereas taking on Pope adds long-term salary for a piece that doesn't fit.

it boils down to whether Cole, Gary + 16 for Simons would be accepted IMO. I'd think if it went Isaac + Gary then 25 would be the 1st and not 16, I'd probably include 16 if it was the breaking piece.

Cole is a 2-year deal but the last year is team option so he could be a 1 year expiring depending on what Portland wants to do. He would be a solid bench guard and has had that role for years so Portland could start Sharpe/Scoot. Gary Harris is 7.5M team option so he could be kept or cut with no issues. 16th pick is acceptable value for a 1-year Simons who could leave.

If Orlando trades for Simons or whoever trades for Simons would have to have an agreement in place for a longer-term deal 3 or 4 year 80-100M extension.