Lauri + 5 for PG + 3 + future 1st

[bgrep14]

This is pretty good

[babyjax13]

Seeing as the Jazz are getting the best of the 2028 FRP, maybe 3 is excessive? Would the Jazz settle for 6 + the best of 28, etc. Do the 76ers trade 3 for 6 to the Wizards and split the 18 value + what Washington is sending?

I wouldn't settle for that.

[babyjax13]

If it was 2029 best of LAC/PHI 1st... I could live with adding that to PG/3 for Lauri/5. Nothing else would be needed from Philly's end, however.

If PHX added 29 and Beal for George, then they probably could talk Durant into staying, as well.

And if Utah doesn't want to buy him out, find a place he wants to go (MIA?) and take back expirings to match.

MIA gets Beal
PHI gets Lauri and 5
PHX gets George
UTA gets Robinson, Rozier, 3, 29, and best of LAC/PHI 2029 1st

Maybe some balancing is needed, but as soon as that future puck has protections, which the LAC swap does, I'm out. I can understand if that is too rich for Pholly, but we've got to get a fairly premium future asset in a deal for Lauri.

[Jojothewhale]

I get the idea and the frame of 3 + PG + X for 5 + Lauri makes some sense, but you’re not going to get many if any Sixers fans who would sign up to trade an unprotected 1st right now. Nor should they.

This has the same problem every other Sixers trade does. Utah would rightly want more than PG + 3 for Lauri +5 and the Sixers don’t have it spare. The problem is the Sixers. It’s not tinkering with parts. They’re not in a position to send out much of anything besides 3 because of Embiid’s health. That includes PG because his trade value is so low. They’re terrible trade partners unless someone wants to make a bog standard move up to 3 from the mid lottery.

[the_process]

If it was 2029 best of LAC/PHI 1st... I could live with adding that to PG/3 for Lauri/5. Nothing else would be needed from Philly's end, however.

If PHX added 29 and Beal for George, then they probably could talk Durant into staying, as well.

And if Utah doesn't want to buy him out, find a place he wants to go (MIA?) and take back expirings to match.

MIA gets Beal
PHI gets Lauri and 5
PHX gets George
UTA gets Robinson, Rozier, 3, 29, and best of LAC/PHI 2029 1st

Maybe some balancing is needed, but as soon as that future puck has protections, which the LAC swap does, I'm out. I can understand if that is too rich for Pholly, but we've got to get a fairly premium future asset in a deal for Lauri.

It's only 1-4 protected on the LAC swap. The Sixer pick would be unprotected.

[babyjax13]

Why on earth would the Suns add value to the George-Beal swap? It has to be the opposite.

George is a better player and he doesn't have a no trade clause. George played 41 games, Beal played 53. Beal has played 196 games in the last 4 seasons, George has played 198. George has better +/- stats (CPM, BPM, DRIP, DARKO), he plays a more valuable position, he is bigger, and he plays defense.

Podcast P has less value than Beal or at least equal value. He's also signed on longer.

I dont see the Suns adding stuff for the honor of paying Podcast for another year at 60M or whatever he's making that last yr.

The third year is def. a valid reason to not.

[gswhoops]

Are either of those two available in exchange for the #3 pick? Is there anyone in this draft outside of Cooper who has anything even remotely approaching the ceiling of those two? I think not.

Ace
VJ

Ace has — by far — the biggest bust potential in this draft. He's Josh Jackson 2.0.

I saw VJ compared to Iman Shumpert yesterday; doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

I mean neither Tatum nor Brown were considered can't-miss prospects either. Most people thought Brown was a reach at #3 on draft night and Tatum got picked behind Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball. Drafting isn't an exact science but both Ace and VJ are high-upside prospects and Morey has a pretty good track record in the draft.

[babyjax13]

If it was 2029 best of LAC/PHI 1st... I could live with adding that to PG/3 for Lauri/5. Nothing else would be needed from Philly's end, however.

If PHX added 29 and Beal for George, then they probably could talk Durant into staying, as well.

And if Utah doesn't want to buy him out, find a place he wants to go (MIA?) and take back expirings to match.

MIA gets Beal
PHI gets Lauri and 5
PHX gets George
UTA gets Robinson, Rozier, 3, 29, and best of LAC/PHI 2029 1st

Maybe some balancing is needed, but as soon as that future puck has protections, which the LAC swap does, I'm out. I can understand if that is too rich for Pholly, but we've got to get a fairly premium future asset in a deal for Lauri.

It's only 1-4 protected on the LAC swap. The Sixer pick would be unprotected.

Yes, I still want 2028. Id be willing to include our worst conveyed future first (say worst of our 2027 picks conveyed) to solidify that. Not sure the Jazz would, but I am happy to figure out balancing.

[SkyHook]

Ace
VJ

Ace has — by far — the biggest bust potential in this draft. He's Josh Jackson 2.0.

I saw VJ compared to Iman Shumpert yesterday; doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

I mean neither Tatum nor Brown were considered can't-miss prospects either. Most people thought Brown was a reach at #3 on draft night and Tatum got picked behind Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball. Drafting isn't an exact science but both Ace and VJ are high-upside prospects and Morey has a pretty good track record in the draft.

I'm perfectly happy with Morey making the pick at 3.

[jbk1234]

UTA trades: Lauri Markkanen, 5, 43, 2028 DET/CHA/LAC/MIA/NYK 2nd (super convoluted, it is one pick)
in: Bradley Beal (bought out), 3, 29, 2027 UTA/CLE/MIN 1st (worst), 2028 LAC/PHI 1st (higher), 2029 UTA/CLE/MIN 1st (worst conveyed)

PHI trades: Paul George, 3, 35, 2028 LAC/PHI 1st (higher)
in: Lauri Markkanen, 5

PHX trades: Bradley Beal, 29, 2027 UTA/CLE/MIN 1st (worst), 2029 UTA/CLE/MIN 1st (worst conveyed)
in: Paul George, 35, 43, 2028 DET/CHA/LAC/MIA/NYK 2nd (super convoluted, it is one pick)

Why on earth would the Suns add value to the George-Beal swap? It has to be the opposite.

George is a better player and he doesn't have a no trade clause. George played 41 games, Beal played 53. Beal has played 196 games in the last 4 seasons, George has played 198. George has better +/- stats (CPM, BPM, DRIP, DARKO), he plays a more valuable position, he is bigger, and he plays defense.

Yeah, but we're measuring with a micrometer as far as recent performance and net result for the Suns. Maybe PG was just playing uninspired last season, but he will be 36 next season. I feel like LBJ has distorted perception of advanced age on performance. Just because LBJ played at a high level until 39 doesn't mean the median good player can.

[babyjax13]

Why on earth would the Suns add value to the George-Beal swap? It has to be the opposite.

George is a better player and he doesn't have a no trade clause. George played 41 games, Beal played 53. Beal has played 196 games in the last 4 seasons, George has played 198. George has better +/- stats (CPM, BPM, DRIP, DARKO), he plays a more valuable position, he is bigger, and he plays defense.

Yeah, but we're measuring with a micrometer as far as recent performance and net result for the Suns. Maybe PG was just playing uninspired last season, but he will be 36 next season. I feel like LBJ has distorted perception of advanced age on performance. Just because LBJ played at a high level until 39 doesn't mean the median good player can.

+/- stats show a pretty big difference between George and Beal last season in George's favor. Totally agree re:age.

[mg]

Ace
VJ

Ace has — by far — the biggest bust potential in this draft. He's Josh Jackson 2.0.

I saw VJ compared to Iman Shumpert yesterday; doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

I mean neither Tatum nor Brown were considered can't-miss prospects either. Most people thought Brown was a reach at #3 on draft night and Tatum got picked behind Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball. Drafting isn't an exact science but both Ace and VJ are high-upside prospects and Morey has a pretty good track record in the draft.

Agreed based on his Boston history I can definitely see Ainge picking Ace who IMO is a better prospect than Brown coming out of college. Who knows maybe Ace falls to #5 but can potentially see them adding a smaller asset to move up if necessary. The blueprint would be to be in position to add a Dybantsa or Boozer level prospect next year especially considering the Jazz owner paid the NIL $ for Dybantsa and they just hired Carlos Boozer as a scout. In 3 years when they are ready to start winning again they can acquire their Jrue or Derrick White archetype guard when 2nd apron teams are shipping off expensive players.

[RookieJazz]

No Way!! The trade should be: Lauri + #21 for PG + #3 or #5 + Future 1st for #3. Trading both of Jazz's most valuable assets for a not-so-sure-thing player at #3 makes no sense.

[Daddy 801]

In theory I like this type of deal. It’s what I want Utah to do. But realize Utah is paying something like 110 million dollars for two late lotto picks, one unprotected pick, and to move up two spots in a draft that after 2 there is no consensus.

I know people will tell me I am wrong but Phoenix has to do better than that to take on Beals
contract. If he didn’t control his own fate and Utah could just have him on the roster that’s one thing. But he has a no trade clause and he is not accepting going to Utah unless it’s a buyout and paying $110,000,000 for a buyout is NOT the same as letting a bad salary stay on a bad team.

If Ryan Smith is crazy enough to do it….sure. But when faced with multiple options to take on bad salary, move up in the draft, etc. And one of the options is write a check for $110,000,000 dollars do you really think he is going to agree to that?

This is fun fantasy trading for guys who don’t have to write checks so they don’t think through the implications. This isn’t happening though.

Think there is a deal for Utah to move up with Philly. It just will not include a buyout of Beal.

Lauri, #21, maybe a young player Utah is willing to move on from, a couple seconds for Philly to have depth and Utah takes PG and the #3. And this would mean Utah has one of the projected guys way higher since there isn’t a consensus on #3. If I am Ainge I am not trading the #5 for #3 in this draft because there just isn’t a proven guy who is the clear player who should be taken at #3. But their draft research may yield a guy who they fall in love with. Who knows.

Extending it maybe it could include Beal for Dame and we take back Lillard while he is out for the year and keep or trade him after the 2026 draft.

This all assumes Beal would want to play in Milwaukee.

[Texas Chuck]

No Way!! The trade should be: Lauri + #21 for PG + #3 or #5 + Future 1st for #3. Trading both of Jazz's most valuable assets for a not-so-sure-thing player at #3 makes no sense.

Lauri is definitely not Utah's 2nd most valuable asset. I would have next year's 1st clearly more valuable. Probably 2027's as well, maybe 2028 and so on....

Lauri is a good player. But he's now no longer on that bargain contract. It absolutely impacts his value. Doesn't help he had a down year and missed a bunch of games either.

[Daddy 801]

Last 2 times Danny had pick 3 he got Tatum and Brown

Are either of those two available in exchange for the #3 pick? Is there anyone in this draft outside of Cooper who has anything even remotely approaching the ceiling of those two? I think not.

I don’t think we’ll see a player better than Tatum minus maybe Flagg. They seem like similar players so we’ll see if that happens.

But better than Brown…yeah, I think someone from this draft will be better. But the problem is no one knows. It’s a gamble after Flagg and Harper. And I wouldn’t say Harper is a for sure thing either. I mean it’s like 95%+ he will be good, but how good no one knows. But I would say it’s highly likely that someone will have a better career (stats wise) than Brown.

[SkyHook]

No Way!! The trade should be: Lauri + #21 for PG + #3 or #5 + Future 1st for #3. Trading both of Jazz's most valuable assets for a not-so-sure-thing player at #3 makes no sense.

Lauri is definitely not Utah's 2nd most valuable asset. I would have next year's 1st clearly more valuable. Probably 2027's as well, maybe 2028 and so on....

Lauri is a good player. But he's now no longer on that bargain contract. It absolutely impacts his value. Doesn't help he had a down year and missed a bunch of games either.

Two weeks ago I thought that this year's pick was Utah's most valuable asset and that was likely true at the time—how quickly things change. I agree that the 2026 FRP is currently the most valuable Jazz asset.

I think that there can be differentiation in value between how a franchise sees a player/asset in terms of its team building versus the potential return that player/asset can yield in the trade market; collectively we, at times, talk past each other from those two perspectives. That's how I see the disconnected opinions on Lauri and it's the core reason why I don't think he should be moved, nor do I have any reasonable expectation that he will be.

[SkyHook]

Last 2 times Danny had pick 3 he got Tatum and Brown

Are either of those two available in exchange for the #3 pick? Is there anyone in this draft outside of Cooper who has anything even remotely approaching the ceiling of those two? I think not.

I don’t think we’ll see a player better than Tatum minus maybe Flagg. They seem like similar players so we’ll see if that happens.

But better than Brown…yeah, I think someone from this draft will be better. But the problem is no one knows. It’s a gamble after Flagg and Harper. And I wouldn’t say Harper is a for sure thing either. I mean it’s like 95%+ he will be good, but how good no one knows. But I would say it’s highly likely that someone will have a better career (stats wise) than Brown.

I'd go so far as "certainly possible", but I wouldn't say highly likely. It's absolutely a gamble after Flagg.

[Slim Charless]

George is a better player and he doesn't have a no trade clause. George played 41 games, Beal played 53. Beal has played 196 games in the last 4 seasons, George has played 198. George has better +/- stats (CPM, BPM, DRIP, DARKO), he plays a more valuable position, he is bigger, and he plays defense.

Podcast P has less value than Beal or at least equal value. He's also signed on longer.

I dont see the Suns adding stuff for the honor of paying Podcast for another year at 60M or whatever he's making that last yr.

The third year is def. a valid reason to not.

I think the rumored KD for him and #3 make sense if Philly wants to make a final run. Or if they wanna keep the pick then Beal for him and McCain make more sense. McCain can be subbed out for a future pick or 2 also.

[Daddy 801]

No Way!! The trade should be: Lauri + #21 for PG + #3 or #5 + Future 1st for #3. Trading both of Jazz's most valuable assets for a not-so-sure-thing player at #3 makes no sense.

Lauri is definitely not Utah's 2nd most valuable asset. I would have next year's 1st clearly more valuable. Probably 2027's as well, maybe 2028 and so on....

Lauri is a good player. But he's now no longer on that bargain contract. It absolutely impacts his value. Doesn't help he had a down year and missed a bunch of games either.

Two weeks ago I thought that this year's pick was Utah's most valuable asset and that was likely true at the time—how quickly things change. I agree that the 2026 FRP is currently the most valuable Jazz asset.

I think that there can be differentiation in value between how a franchise sees a player/asset in terms of its team building versus the potential return that player/asset can yield in the trade market; collectively we, at times, talk past each other from those two perspectives. That's how I see the disconnected opinions on Lauri and it's the core reason why I don't think he should be moved, nor do I have any reasonable expectation that he will be.

He won’t be moved unless it’s a deal considered as an “overpay” by probably most people on this forum. And I get it. But context matters. He didn’t miss games, they sat him for tanking purposes…hence a fine. Also the Jazz were purposely using him in situations and roles where he is not the most effective on purpose to build his game. I’d say it was worth the gamble but I wouldn’t be trading for Lauri to use him how the Jazz did last year. On offense he is a lights out shooter coming off pindowns in the mold of Klay. Luckily for Lauri he happens to be a gigantic version that type of player. So he is best on a fast motion type offense with a ton of passes as a second or third option. If a team needs a player like that (which is most teams) he is an ideal fit. He isn’t going to turn into Giannis just because he is tall though. However if the right team gets him (hello Golden State) his perceived value would skyrocket because he would be on a winning team putting up better stats. And the whole time people who understood the current context of his situation would know he’s basically the same player he has always been. He just has to be used right. Put him in the right situation and he will flourish and people will come on here saying he had a bounce back year, or Utah got robbed in a trade, or whatever when in reality he is/was the same player all along.

I say that fully knowing as a Jazz fan I know this information and there is probably 1-2 players on each team that the realGM posters know a player is worth more than the consensus on here due to context and situations. We the casual fans don’t know or can’t see these qualities and situations with players on other teams. But any competent NBA staff should know this. If they don’t they should be fired.