2025 NBA Draft

[Skybox]

Can we really pass on Jase if he is available at #16?

Yes.

For one, there is a non-zero chance he slides to 25. Also, there will be more upside players available at 16 than Richardson.
(( e.g. Nolan Traoré, Thomas Sorber, or Noa Essengue might slide to #16. ))

That said, I would hope the team drafts a "Richardson" over Rasheer Fleming, Nique Clifford, or Derik Queen. The Magic do not, under any scenario need a high floor, low ceiling pick. i.e. another da Silva. Those players need to be gained from the trade and FA market as stable vets, not as a rookie.

In conclusion, I mock Will Riley over Jase Richardson.

My personal wish is that Demin will fall to 16.

6'10 playmaker... Giddey like

Fascinating but risky...also likely to take a few years but would be an exciting pick. Completely different player, but similar huge upside swing as Coward...one could be Giddey, the other could be Kawhi...or either could be a bust.

[RookieStar]

[quote=“RookieStar”]Dont think so... the only tapes i saw of him being good/deserving of a 1st round pick is when he playe against no name schools and being guarded by guys i see in weeknights ball.

So when i said i obviously didnt see what the pros did.. i meant i didnt see guys like the Proctor, Powell, and etc guys guarding him or even with a team that has a defensive scheme.

Here’s a scouting report from a month before the combine. He was already on radars then, and they’ve got him ranked 35th on their big board. Whatever you felt you needed to see on tape was present enough for Coward to be regarded as a borderline first round draft prospect prior to combine measurements.

Apart from a lack of quality competition, what are your criticisms of his actual game? Why do you think someone like Proctor would give him trouble? Why wouldn’t he be able to move into space and knock down open 3’s against him, too? What liabilities of his were you seeing on the tape you watched?[/quote]

1. In the vids i saw he is guarded by out of shape and outsized guards that even with their hands up Coward easily saw the hoop so no fear of getting blocked

2. Proctor Powell Sion and the rest are true wings that defends other wings. At 6'4 and above plus their mobility... they can be sure to guard Coward well. In the vids those opposing SGs were shorter smaller amd fatter than him. The ones in he same height were too slow cuz they were the PF/C in thenother team.

3. His shots looked good. I wanna see of they are the same if his guard is the same size and speed as him. In the league 6'4 and above SG with speed are the norm.

4. Basically it all boils down to the unknown. Coward could be a great dark horse, i just dont think using him at 16 especialy with better prospects available is the right move.

[RookieStar]

Yes.

For one, there is a non-zero chance he slides to 25. Also, there will be more upside players available at 16 than Richardson.
(( e.g. Nolan Traoré, Thomas Sorber, or Noa Essengue might slide to #16. ))

That said, I would hope the team drafts a "Richardson" over Rasheer Fleming, Nique Clifford, or Derik Queen. The Magic do not, under any scenario need a high floor, low ceiling pick. i.e. another da Silva. Those players need to be gained from the trade and FA market as stable vets, not as a rookie.

In conclusion, I mock Will Riley over Jase Richardson.

My personal wish is that Demin will fall to 16.

6'10 playmaker... Giddey like

Fascinating but risky...also likely to take a few years but would be an exciting pick. Completely different player, but similar huge upside swing as Coward...one could be Giddey, the other could be Kawhi...or either could be a bust.

Thing with Egor is.... he can shoot the 3 ans make 10 straight ones in an empty gym lol. Also upside woth Egor is that isnt he just 19yrs old? Coward is 21/22? So Egor has more cushion in potential.

[Skybox]

My personal wish is that Demin will fall to 16.

6'10 playmaker... Giddey like

Fascinating but risky...also likely to take a few years but would be an exciting pick. Completely different player, but similar huge upside swing as Coward...one could be Giddey, the other could be Kawhi...or either could be a bust.

Thing with Egor is.... he can shoot the 3 ans make 10 straight ones in an empty gym lol. Also upside woth Egor is that isnt he just 19yrs old? Coward is 21/22? So Egor has more cushion in potential.

everyone in the draft can shoot 3's in an empty gym...I'm not sure another 3 year "development project" is the right move this year - BUT could be a perfect move if we do enough to improve the team using other assets. I like Demin's likelihood of being really good - just not right away or for certain. I'm probably for trading the pick, but man he's intriguing.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Fascinating but risky...also likely to take a few years but would be an exciting pick. Completely different player, but similar huge upside swing as Coward...one could be Giddey, the other could be Kawhi...or either could be a bust.

Thing with Egor is.... he can shoot the 3 ans make 10 straight ones in an empty gym lol. Also upside woth Egor is that isnt he just 19yrs old? Coward is 21/22? So Egor has more cushion in potential.

everyone in the draft can shoot 3's in an empty gym...I'm not sure another 3 year "development project" is the right move this year - BUT could be a perfect move if we do enough to improve the team using other assets. I like Demin's likelihood of being really good - just not right away or for certain. I'm probably for trading the pick, but man he's intriguing.

Am I taking crazy pills or what. Demin is a terrible fit for us and idk how he’s a lotto pick.

41% FG with 21% from 3 and 55% from 2 & 70% from FT. Dudes got an EFG of 48.

Dudes best case is a Giddey and we don’t have the benefit of waiting 5 years for that. He’s a big PG that will likely play wing in the NBA.

[basketballRob]

I like Coward, Fleming, and Wolf at 16.

I think they need less development than the others projected in that range. Maybe Richardson plays well soon, but most guards don't. He'll need to adjust to the size and speed of the NBA.

Essengue definitely won't fall out of the lottery. Collin Murray-Boyles and Asa Newell scare me because I'm not sure how they fit in the NBA and they may drop

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[Bensational]

Apart from a lack of quality competition, what are your criticisms of his actual game? Why do you think someone like Proctor would give him trouble? Why wouldn’t he be able to move into space and knock down open 3’s against him, too? What liabilities of his were you seeing on the tape you watched?

1. In the vids i saw he is guarded by out of shape and outsized guards that even with their hands up Coward easily saw the hoop so no fear of getting blocked

2. Proctor Powell Sion and the rest are true wings that defends other wings. At 6'4 and above plus their mobility... they can be sure to guard Coward well. In the vids those opposing SGs were shorter smaller amd fatter than him. The ones in he same height were too slow cuz they were the PF/C in thenother team.

3. His shots looked good. I wanna see of they are the same if his guard is the same size and speed as him. In the league 6'4 and above SG with speed are the norm.

4. Basically it all boils down to the unknown. Coward could be a great dark horse, i just dont think using him at 16 especialy with better prospects available is the right move.

Show me these so-called fat people Coward played against, cos I've scrubbed through 2 hours of tape on him and must have missed Butterbean on the court.

If you've got other preferred prospects that's fine, that's your call. I'd be giving hard consideration to taking Clayton Jr over him. But you don't have to make up a conspiracy about why Coward's stock is rising just because you're too preoccupied watching fatties to watch how Coward is playing the game, lol.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Thing with Egor is.... he can shoot the 3 ans make 10 straight ones in an empty gym lol. Also upside woth Egor is that isnt he just 19yrs old? Coward is 21/22? So Egor has more cushion in potential.

everyone in the draft can shoot 3's in an empty gym...I'm not sure another 3 year "development project" is the right move this year - BUT could be a perfect move if we do enough to improve the team using other assets. I like Demin's likelihood of being really good - just not right away or for certain. I'm probably for trading the pick, but man he's intriguing.

Am I taking crazy pills or what. Demin is a terrible fit for us and idk how he’s a lotto pick.

41% FG with 21% from 3 and 55% from 2 & 70% from FT. Dudes got an EFG of 48.

Dudes best case is a Giddey and we don’t have the benefit of waiting 5 years for that. He’s a big PG that will likely play wing in the NBA.

We need shooters, particularly movement shooters, but here we go again, people think the answer to our issues is a another jumbo sized “pg” who won’t be a PG at the next level because said fake pg can’t shoot. “Win now mode” Geniuses. The obsession over tall overrated PGs is wild.

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Demin is Deni Avdija. Guy who is classified as a "point guard" like Anthony Black but will never really be one in the league.

If we are looking for point guards you can guarantee a few will drop in the first round to 16.

So many teams in the lotto are absolutely stacked with guards that it wouldnt make sense for them to take one.

I'd be surprised honestly if one of Kasparas or Fears aren't on the board still.

[eyriq]

Pro-tip: If you get invited by your wife and friends to go see Driving n Cryin' at Tuffy's ...say NO - that's draft night. The biggest night of they year.

Our off-season Superbowl

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Demin is Deni Avdija. Guy who is classified as a "point guard" like Anthony Black but will never really be one in the league.

If we are looking for point guards you can guarantee a few will drop in the first round to 16.

So many teams in the lotto are absolutely stacked with guards that it wouldnt make sense for them to take one.

I'd be surprised honestly if one of Kasparas or Fears aren't on the board still.

I think you could see a guard heavy team still take a Fears or Kaspar and then look to move players. Utah could easily move Sexton, I could see Nets taking a guard at 8 as well. Brooklyn is my wildcard come draft night and summer trades.. They have a ton of cap space and could go any direction

[jezzerinho]

Barely looked at a single prospect because we need to shift these picks for vet talent. I'd take Milos Uzam with a second and call it a day.

[dsg2021]

Barely looked at a single prospect because we need to shift these picks for vet talent. I'd take Milos Uzam with a second and call it a day.

Milos did pass my stats only filters for what we need.

What I want to bring up though is what if we hedged our bets and took two guards or two bigs with our two 1st round picks.

Example:
Egor Demin for the upside and maybe the rotation already.
Nique Clifford for the rotation today.

Maybe there’s that sneaky 6’1 guard who plays into the NBA very well for some reason too. Clayton Jr.?

[Skybox]

Demin is Deni Avdija. Guy who is classified as a "point guard" like Anthony Black but will never really be one in the league.

If we are looking for point guards you can guarantee a few will drop in the first round to 16.

So many teams in the lotto are absolutely stacked with guards that it wouldnt make sense for them to take one.

I'd be surprised honestly if one of Kasparas or Fears aren't on the board still.

I think you could see a guard heavy team still take a Fears or Kaspar and then look to move players. Utah could easily move Sexton, I could see Nets taking a guard at 8 as well. Brooklyn is my wildcard come draft night and summer trades.. They have a ton of cap space and could go any direction

Not to mention FOUR frps to play with. I could see them moving Claxton and drafting Maluach.

[Skybox]

Listening to my favorite Big Board podcast...today, the topic was "Best shooters in the draft"

They quickly agreed that Raynaud was the best shooting big man and the most overlooked star in this draft. I think he'll end up in the lottery after being the best player in the combine scrimmages on top of his dominance in the ACC.

Tre Johnson is a phenomenal shooter and tough shotmaker as well as a better playmaker than he is credited for and could/should go #3

But the BEST shooter in the draft is...Koby Brea, a 6'7 SG from Kenutucky, who didn't even make the NBA Draft Room mock and Tankathon had him going to us at #46. That's just the kind of swing I like in the second...could be another elite role player for next to nothing. How does a 6'7 SG from Kentucky, (even if he can do nothing else) who shoots lights out, be so unheralded? I'll take a one tool guy with that kind of size as a srp any time.

[yoyojw17]

Listening to my favorite Big Board podcast...today, the topic was "Best shooters in the draft"

They quickly agreed that Raynaud was the best shooting big man and the most overlooked star in this draft. I think he'll end up in the lottery after being the best player in the combine scrimmages on top of his dominance in the ACC.

Tre Johnson is a phenomenal shooter and tough shotmaker as well as a better playmaker than he is credited for and could/should go #3

But the BEST shooter in the draft is...Koby Brea, a 6'7 SG from Kenutucky, who didn't even make the NBA Draft Room mock and Tankathon had him going to us at #46. That's just the kind of swing I like in the second...could be another elite role player for next to nothing. How does a 6'7 SG from Kentucky, (even if he can do nothing else) who shoots lights out, be so unheralded? I'll take a one tool guy with that kind of size as a srp any time.

Saw the mock.... but overlooked him. haha. Will check him out.

Edit:

Watch on YouTube

;t=102s

He didn't touch rim till like the 7th 3 pointer in the video. gheez.

[RookieStar]

Fascinating but risky...also likely to take a few years but would be an exciting pick. Completely different player, but similar huge upside swing as Coward...one could be Giddey, the other could be Kawhi...or either could be a bust.

Thing with Egor is.... he can shoot the 3 ans make 10 straight ones in an empty gym lol. Also upside woth Egor is that isnt he just 19yrs old? Coward is 21/22? So Egor has more cushion in potential.

everyone in the draft can shoot 3's in an empty gym...I'm not sure another 3 year "development project" is the right move this year - BUT could be a perfect move if we do enough to improve the team using other assets. I like Demin's likelihood of being really good - just not right away or for certain. I'm probably for trading the pick, but man he's intriguing.

Lol.. no. I think it was one of those CMB, Fleeming, Nique, etc who had that video where in front of scouts his 3s were rimming out. Like going 1 out of 5 per spot

[RookieStar]

Apart from a lack of quality competition, what are your criticisms of his actual game? Why do you think someone like Proctor would give him trouble? Why wouldn’t he be able to move into space and knock down open 3’s against him, too? What liabilities of his were you seeing on the tape you watched?

1. In the vids i saw he is guarded by out of shape and outsized guards that even with their hands up Coward easily saw the hoop so no fear of getting blocked

2. Proctor Powell Sion and the rest are true wings that defends other wings. At 6'4 and above plus their mobility... they can be sure to guard Coward well. In the vids those opposing SGs were shorter smaller amd fatter than him. The ones in he same height were too slow cuz they were the PF/C in thenother team.

3. His shots looked good. I wanna see of they are the same if his guard is the same size and speed as him. In the league 6'4 and above SG with speed are the norm.

4. Basically it all boils down to the unknown. Coward could be a great dark horse, i just dont think using him at 16 especialy with better prospects available is the right move.

Show me these so-called fat people Coward played against, cos I've scrubbed through 2 hours of tape on him and must have missed Butterbean on the court.

If you've got other preferred prospects that's fine, that's your call. I'd be giving hard consideration to taking Clayton Jr over him. But you don't have to make up a conspiracy about why Coward's stock is rising just because you're too preoccupied watching fatties to watch how Coward is playing the game, lol.

lol chubby people in terms of NCAA competition. Compare it to us regular guys and they would look like one of us.

Who said anything about conspiracy? In fact, the only reason I watched vids of Coward as I had said was because I was curious from what basis his rapid rise in the draft came from.

Lastly as I have said again, I just wished I could see Coward play the game against at least a proper NCAA team.

[Bensational]

Listening to my favorite Big Board podcast...today, the topic was "Best shooters in the draft"

They quickly agreed that Raynaud was the best shooting big man and the most overlooked star in this draft. I think he'll end up in the lottery after being the best player in the combine scrimmages on top of his dominance in the ACC.

Tre Johnson is a phenomenal shooter and tough shotmaker as well as a better playmaker than he is credited for and could/should go #3

But the BEST shooter in the draft is...Koby Brea, a 6'7 SG from Kenutucky, who didn't even make the NBA Draft Room mock and Tankathon had him going to us at #46. That's just the kind of swing I like in the second...could be another elite role player for next to nothing. How does a 6'7 SG from Kentucky, (even if he can do nothing else) who shoots lights out, be so unheralded? I'll take a one tool guy with that kind of size as a srp any time.

Saw the mock.... but overlooked him. haha. Will check him out.

Edit:

Watch on YouTube

;t=102s

He didn't touch rim till like the 7th 3 pointer in the video. gheez.

He’s got that smooth, automatic looking shot like Houstan. Moves pretty slowly, but still fluidly, like Kyle Anderson. Great at using fakes to get himself open from 3.

[RookieStar]

Barely looked at a single prospect because we need to shift these picks for vet talent. I'd take Milos Uzam with a second and call it a day.

Milos did pass my stats only filters for what we need.

What I want to bring up though is what if we hedged our bets and took two guards or two bigs with our two 1st round picks.

Example:
Egor Demin for the upside and maybe the rotation already.
Nique Clifford for the rotation today.

Maybe there’s that sneaky 6’1 guard who plays into the NBA very well for some reason too. Clayton Jr.?

I dunno about sneaky but WCJ is 6'3 in shoes.. so a proper PG?